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Post by Isapop on Dec 13, 2022 1:43:33 GMT
"So logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore, a witch!" - Sir Bedevere Actually, that's mostly the words of a peasant working it out with Bedevere's assistance. |
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Post by general313 on Dec 13, 2022 1:50:26 GMT
"So logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood, and therefore, a witch!" - Sir Bedevere Actually, that's mostly the words of a peasant working it out with Bedevere's assistance. "If you're going to split hairs, I'm going to piss off!" - The Man Who Speaks in Anagrams |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 13, 2022 3:41:31 GMT
Maybe I should rephrase that: Consciousness does not need physical senses, and I can prove it. not physical, so you can't prove it, not in real life. And considering you had to revise your postulate within a few sentences I suspect it is not well thought out. LOL |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 4:31:36 GMT
Maybe I should rephrase that: Consciousness does not need physical senses, and I can prove it. It requires a functioning brain and it doesn’t have to function all that well. You seem to have one, so congratulations, you proved it. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 4:34:18 GMT
Maybe I should rephrase that: Consciousness does not need physical senses, and I can prove it. Consciousness is a philosophical construct, not physical, so you can't prove it, not in real life. And considering you had to revise your postulate within a few sentences I suspect it is not well thought out. We know it does not come out of any organ other than the brain. Switch it off and there goes your consciousness or conscious awareness, even if temporarily. |
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Post by Sarge on Dec 13, 2022 4:59:47 GMT
Consciousness is a philosophical construct, not physical, so you can't prove it, not in real life. And considering you had to revise your postulate within a few sentences I suspect it is not well thought out. We know it does not come out of any organ other than the brain. Switch it off and there goes your consciousness or conscious awareness, even if temporarily. I think, therefore I am. I think when I am asleep, therefore I am conscious when I sleep. If I forget the dream, was I conscious? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 6:47:45 GMT
We know it does not come out of any organ other than the brain. Switch it off and there goes your consciousness or conscious awareness, even if temporarily. I think, therefore I am. I think when I am asleep, therefore I am conscious when I sleep. If I forget the dream, was I conscious? What about when you are unconscious? Consciousness is not proof of a soul, if that’s what heeeyyy is talking about. Chimp’s display self-awareness, so they could be a soul bearing species just like it’s theorized humans are. If so, now in we’re in more trouble with Big Guy and not just the Indians. |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 13, 2022 12:29:05 GMT
Consciousness is a philosophical construct, not physical, so you can't prove it, not in real life. There's a very, very narrow sense in which this is a true statement, but you can only get there by going pretty deep into the weeds of academic discourse on the subject. |
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Post by Catman on Dec 13, 2022 12:31:34 GMT
Cats!
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Post by Karl Aksel on Dec 13, 2022 12:50:55 GMT
Maybe I should rephrase that: Consciousness does not need physical senses, and I can prove it. By all means do. |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 13, 2022 12:53:10 GMT
Consciousness is a philosophical construct, not physical, so you can't prove it, not in real life. And considering you had to revise your postulate within a few sentences I suspect it is not well thought out. We know it does not come out of any organ other than the brain. Switch it off and there goes your consciousness or conscious awareness, even if temporarily. What you know could fill a thimble halfway. Consciousness is NOT in the brain any more than a rock band is inside a radio. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 13, 2022 13:47:34 GMT
We know it does not come out of any organ other than the brain. Switch it off and there goes your consciousness or conscious awareness, even if temporarily. What you know could fill a thimble halfway. Consciousness is NOT in the brain any more than a rock band is inside a radio. OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. |
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 13, 2022 14:02:25 GMT
What you know could fill a thimble halfway. Consciousness is NOT in the brain any more than a rock band is inside a radio. OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. You kneel at the alter of peer reviews, which are filtered bullshit most of the time. As one scientist said he was told: "You're paid to search for a solution, not find one." He was told that when he found a solution. You know how the five physical senses work. They work via vibrations that they pick up. Where do you think those vibrations are? Didn't Tesla say that everything is energy, frequency, vibration? Are either of those physical? When you dream, how is it that you see when your eyes are closed? You can hear and see in your dreams, even though your brain is encased in a skull with no light, and your eyes are closed, you still see and have sight. Now go ahead and start your hot air about the brain. Lol |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 14:15:52 GMT
What you know could fill a thimble halfway. Consciousness is NOT in the brain any more than a rock band is inside a radio. OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. She is actually proud she’s that ignorant. |
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Post by Karl Aksel on Dec 13, 2022 14:18:11 GMT
OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. You kneel at the alter of peer reviews, which are filtered bullshit most of the time. As one scientist said he was told: "You're paid to search for a solution, not find one." He was told that when he found a solution. You know how the five physical senses work. They work via vibrations that they pick up. Where do you think those vibrations are? Didn't Tesla say that everything is energy, frequency, vibration? Are either of those physical? Yes. Taste and smell rely on physical mediums to be able to taste or smell anything (nothing can taste sweet or bitter unless it has a physical presence; when we smell things, it's particles in the air); hearing needs a physical substance (in our case, typically air) through which to pick up vibrations which is translated to sound (you can't have vibrations without some sort of physical medium); sight relies on photons; the sense of touch - well, I dare say that everything you have ever touched has been physical. You don't. You're imagining things. I hope you don't believe that what you hear and see in dreams are real? Dreaming, too, happens in the brain. If consciousness is not tied to the brain, how come you can make someone lose consciousness by cutting off the blood supply to the brain? Just what do you suppose the brain is for, anyway? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 14:19:40 GMT
OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. You kneel at the alter of peer reviews, which are filtered bullshit most of the time. As one scientist said he was told: "You're paid to search for a solution, not find one." He was told that when he found a solution. You know how the five physical senses work. They work via vibrations that they pick up. Where do you think those vibrations are? Didn't Tesla say that everything is energy, frequency, vibration? Are either of those physical? When you dream, how is it that you see when your eyes are closed? You can hear and see in your dreams, even though your brain is encased in a skull with no light, and your eyes are closed, you still see and have sight. Now go ahead and start your hot air about the brain. Lol Wow, you are so superior to rest of us. What does God’s voice sound like? Your own? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 13, 2022 14:26:52 GMT
You kneel at the alter of peer reviews, which are filtered bullshit most of the time. As one scientist said he was told: "You're paid to search for a solution, not find one." He was told that when he found a solution. You know how the five physical senses work. They work via vibrations that they pick up. Where do you think those vibrations are? Didn't Tesla say that everything is energy, frequency, vibration? Are either of those physical? Yes. Taste and smell rely on physical mediums to be able to taste or smell anything (nothing can taste sweet or bitter unless it has a physical presence; when we smell things, it's particles in the air); hearing needs a physical substance (in our case, typically air) through which to pick up vibrations which is translated to sound (you can't have vibrations without some sort of physical medium); sight relies on photons; the sense of touch - well, I dare say that everything you have ever touched has been physical. You don't. You're imagining things. I hope you don't believe that what you hear and see in dreams are real? Dreaming, too, happens in the brain. If consciousness is not tied to the brain, how come you can make someone lose consciousness by cutting off the blood supply to the brain? Just what do you suppose the brain is for, anyway? It’s stunning how they resist easy to understand explanations for things. I think sheeeeyyy is desperate to prove the Christian afterlife correct or all those people she’s cursed and damned to hell over the years won’t go there, but will waiting on her after she dies. |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 13, 2022 16:00:41 GMT
OK then prove how conciousness is not in the brain, I can't wait to read this. You kneel at the alter of peer reviews, which are filtered bullshit most of the time. As one scientist said he was told: "You're paid to search for a solution, not find one." He was told that when he found a solution. You know how the five physical senses work. They work via vibrations that they pick up. Where do you think those vibrations are? Didn't Tesla say that everything is energy, frequency, vibration? Are either of those physical? When you dream, how is it that you see when your eyes are closed? You can hear and see in your dreams, even though your brain is encased in a skull with no light, and your eyes are closed, you still see and have sight. Now go ahead and start your hot air about the brain. Lol Karl pretty much said everything I was going to, no point in repeating his talking points. BTW why do you think you know more than actual scientists on conciousness? That would actually be a much more interesting conversation than watching you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy. |
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Post by Catman on Dec 13, 2022 17:16:42 GMT
Raccoons.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 13, 2022 17:38:49 GMT
Karl Aksel said, "you're imagining things." Explain what the imagination is. What is the imagination? No brain surgeon has ever found a 'memory' inside of a brain. The brain is a receiver of vibration. It is not vibration itself. That exists OUTSIDE the brain. I don't care how many paragraphs of hot air you post.
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