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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:34:07 GMT
But that wasn't everybody, it is ridiculous to suggest that literally every single person who didn't like the series was set to hate it from the start. No, it doesn't. It means that someone prefers one character over the other because of the filmmaking. The vast majority certainly were.t
Not the film-making, very much not the film-making.
If that were the case, then wouldn't they axe the series if the vast majority weren't wanting to support it? It is the filmmaking, I explained why.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:34:43 GMT
It is a generalization, because you are saying that anyone who is not in favor of She-Hulk: Attorney At Law must be a grifter on YouTube or a supporter who worships like a cult leader. What about the people who wanted to give it a chance and just didn't like it? Why is it this concept so difficult to understand? Hardly anyone did want to give it a chance, they were against her very character concept and those who knew the comics still thought she was a bad character to adapt. So, if there wasn't a high demand, why make a series?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:36:00 GMT
Enough of this, please. You can tell that I was referring to female consumers on the whole, that includes women who don't spend a lot of time on the internet or care about culture wars and just were looking for an entertaining series to watch but didn't get it. I said nor did I suggest any such thing. The only female consumers complaining are the Female Grifters, the others haven't raised complaints.
You wanted Jen to get broken by experiences and beg Bruce for an apology and admit she knew nothing and couldn't do anything without him.
How do you know? I said nor did I suggest any such thing. Please, show me where I said such a thing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:39:58 GMT
Maybe in your online ventures, but I saw a lot of people who said that they were looking forward to the series and were intrigued by the creative possibilities, given the source material. You are presenting yourself as a jerk and a bully who is not willing to allow people with different opinions than you on specific media. I cannot even be allowed to say that I genuinely enjoyed the eighth episode of She-Hulk the most because, apparently, I have problematic beliefs and attitudes and must have to change my opinion to be on the right side of history. I found none with that open mindedness. The ones I found were mad because her existence meant Bruce would no longer be this lonely angry person (even though Endgame already showed he wasn't) and it would add unnecessary comedy to his dark character.
If they side with Grifters, the people who ruin fandoms, then it's deserved. And Admitting you liked the one episode where the female lead became a useless secondary to a male guest star who took over the show from her doesn't say much.
You are labeling anyone who is not in favor of the series as a grifter or someone who supports such a person and painting people like me who admit to liking an episode and giving specific reasons as to why as having problematic views. You, sir, are acting like a jerk and a bully.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:41:28 GMT
The vast majority certainly were.t
Not the film-making, very much not the film-making.
If that were the case, then wouldn't they axe the series if the vast majority weren't wanting to support it? It is the filmmaking, I explained why. Because enough still watched it and enough critics who actually matter liked it.
It's the double standards, that's all. Jen just can't get away with the same stuff Jerry and co can.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:41:41 GMT
Hardly anyone did want to give it a chance, they were against her very character concept and those who knew the comics still thought she was a bad character to adapt. So, if there wasn't a high demand, why make a series? Same reason they made GOTG in 2014.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:42:34 GMT
The only female consumers complaining are the Female Grifters, the others haven't raised complaints.
You wanted Jen to get broken by experiences and beg Bruce for an apology and admit she knew nothing and couldn't do anything without him.
How do you know? I said nor did I suggest any such thing. Please, show me where I said such a thing. The female consumers wouldn't make the misogynistic complaints you keep hearing.
You bringing up her "going back and apologizing to Bruce". IE having no self-respect and failing at everything.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:43:17 GMT
I found none with that open mindedness. The ones I found were mad because her existence meant Bruce would no longer be this lonely angry person (even though Endgame already showed he wasn't) and it would add unnecessary comedy to his dark character.
If they side with Grifters, the people who ruin fandoms, then it's deserved. And Admitting you liked the one episode where the female lead became a useless secondary to a male guest star who took over the show from her doesn't say much.
You are labeling anyone who is not in favor of the series as a grifter or someone who supports such a person and painting people like me who admit to liking an episode and giving specific reasons as to why as having problematic views. You, sir, are acting like a jerk and a bully. If the only episode you enjoy is the one where the female lead gets sidelined and is made useless in her own show, it says something.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:46:05 GMT
If you had negative interactions with people with very different opinions than you online, then that is unfortunate, but that doesn't give you justification to label just anyone (Referring to those on here in this very topic) who does not agree with you as having problematic beliefs and values and generally being a toxic individual. If you think She-Hulk: Attorney At Law is the best series ever created minus one episode (that being eight) then good for you, but not everybody is going to agree with you about it. I didn't watch The Mary Tyler Moore Show because I was never able to catch it when it would air in syndication, and if it was on I was preoccupied with other programming or taking care of other matters. It says nothing about society on the whole, I just was busy with other things. It is the only thing that they have in common, beyond that they are nothing alike in premise and in design. Have you considered that the problem there might be because the filmmaking on Seinfeld was better than She-Hulk? Just a thought but based on how you have presented yourself thus far such an opinion of mine is clearly the wrong one. "Certain folks"? I thought we were talking about me and my opinions. I liked the episode the most because the balance of the different styles of humor worked most effectively, the story was entertaining, I liked the interplay between Walters and Murdock, and it proved to me that Daredevil as played by Charlie Cox can work in a lighter setting. But apparently, I am not allowed to enjoy it otherwise I am a problematic person. I didn't hate it for the fact it existed, and that's what Grifter Cultists just can't stand.
It says that society forgot the lessons it taught.
The problem is the double standards and how a character like Jen can't get away with stuff that Jerry and George and Elaine and Kramer would get away with.
You can enjoy it, just as long as you admit the only episode you enjoyed was the one where the main character had to be sidelined and reduced to a useless damsel.
And that's their problem, not everyone you will debate with on the series is some kind of "Grifter Cultist". It doesn't in the case of me because I have explained exactly why I didn't see the series whenever it was on. Your constant switching from specific to general is getting ridiculous. It's on the filmmaking, the characters in Seinfeld are flawed and problematic people but the filmmakers made them entertaining. How was Jennifer sidelined? Where was Jennifer a useless damsel in that episode? If you like the series so much you shouldn't have to create fanfiction to make the person you are in argument with look bad.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:47:17 GMT
Since you have a problem with these people and are set to make sure everyone believes that are scam artists and their supporters are toxic people, I don't think I should take your judgment as being the definitive answer. So, you admit that you were wrong, and that people also go after Sony and Comcast, and not just Disney? Believe what you want, but not everyone supports Grifters.
If they do, it's nowhere near as much as they go after Disney. I've seen anyone go after Sony and Universal.
Not my argument. Well, I have, not as much as Disney but that wasn't the point I was arguing against.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:48:28 GMT
If that were the case, then wouldn't they axe the series if the vast majority weren't wanting to support it? It is the filmmaking, I explained why. Because enough still watched it and enough critics who actually matter liked it.
It's the double standards, that's all. Jen just can't get away with the same stuff Jerry and co can.
But you are talking about before the series was even made. It isn't.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:49:41 GMT
So, if there wasn't a high demand, why make a series? Same reason they made GOTG in 2014. This doesn't follow my question, which was in regard to your claim of the very idea of a She-Hulk series was vastly disowned by the majority of consumers, all of which you label as grifters or their supporters.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:52:22 GMT
How do you know? I said nor did I suggest any such thing. Please, show me where I said such a thing. The female consumers wouldn't make the misogynistic complaints you keep hearing.
You bringing up her "going back and apologizing to Bruce". IE having no self-respect and failing at everything.
Such as? That may be your impression, but I wasn't trying to suggest that whatsoever.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:52:37 GMT
I didn't hate it for the fact it existed, and that's what Grifter Cultists just can't stand.
It says that society forgot the lessons it taught.
The problem is the double standards and how a character like Jen can't get away with stuff that Jerry and George and Elaine and Kramer would get away with.
You can enjoy it, just as long as you admit the only episode you enjoyed was the one where the main character had to be sidelined and reduced to a useless damsel.
And that's their problem, not everyone you will debate with on the series is some kind of "Grifter Cultist". It doesn't in the case of me because I have explained exactly why I didn't see the series whenever it was on. Your constant switching from specific to general is getting ridiculous. It's on the filmmaking, the characters in Seinfeld are flawed and problematic people but the filmmakers made them entertaining. How was Jennifer sidelined? Where was Jennifer a useless damsel in that episode? If you like the series so much you shouldn't have to create fanfiction to make the person you are in argument with look bad. The ones who harassed me and followed me to other videos certainly were. And if anyone got their information from watching their videos, that makes them supporters of those people too.
Flawed and problematic, yet somehow if it's Jen then it's "Bad writing". Says it all.
Was she the lead? No. Did she need Daredevil to do anything and accomplish anything? Yes.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:52:55 GMT
You are labeling anyone who is not in favor of the series as a grifter or someone who supports such a person and painting people like me who admit to liking an episode and giving specific reasons as to why as having problematic views. You, sir, are acting like a jerk and a bully. If the only episode you enjoy is the one where the female lead gets sidelined and is made useless in her own show, it says something. But she wasn't sidelines or was made useless in her own show.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:54:19 GMT
Believe what you want, but not everyone supports Grifters.
If they do, it's nowhere near as much as they go after Disney. I've seen anyone go after Sony and Universal.
Not my argument. Well, I have, not as much as Disney but that wasn't the point I was arguing against. The argument is that those Content Creators are somehow authorities on the subject and that listening to them somehow makes you informed. They're not and it doesn't. Not supporting them isn't a bad thing.
I haven't.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:55:38 GMT
Because enough still watched it and enough critics who actually matter liked it.
It's the double standards, that's all. Jen just can't get away with the same stuff Jerry and co can.
But you are talking about before the series was even made. It isn't. Yes, just like how the Guardians movies in 2014 was being slagged off 24/7 once it was announced.
It is. Jen can't get away with stuff Jerry and co do. Even if the writers outright said "Yes she's supposed to be a jerk like Jerry Seinfeld" it still wouldn't be enough.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:56:38 GMT
Same reason they made GOTG in 2014. This doesn't follow my question, which was in regard to your claim of the very idea of a She-Hulk series was vastly disowned by the majority of consumers, all of which you label as grifters or their supporters. Disowned by the Grifters and their supporters, but history showed they're idiots so their reaction means nothing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 29, 2023 0:56:59 GMT
And that's their problem, not everyone you will debate with on the series is some kind of "Grifter Cultist". It doesn't in the case of me because I have explained exactly why I didn't see the series whenever it was on. Your constant switching from specific to general is getting ridiculous. It's on the filmmaking, the characters in Seinfeld are flawed and problematic people but the filmmakers made them entertaining. How was Jennifer sidelined? Where was Jennifer a useless damsel in that episode? If you like the series so much you shouldn't have to create fanfiction to make the person you are in argument with look bad. The ones who harassed me and followed me to other videos certainly were. And if anyone got their information from watching their videos, that makes them supporters of those people too.
Flawed and problematic, yet somehow if it's Jen then it's "Bad writing". Says it all.
Was she the lead? No. Did she need Daredevil to do anything and accomplish anything? Yes.
Then those people have issues, but to say anyone and everyone who doesn't like the program is therefore exactly like those people is wrong. Completely on the filmmaking. She was the lead, yes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 29, 2023 0:57:40 GMT
The female consumers wouldn't make the misogynistic complaints you keep hearing.
You bringing up her "going back and apologizing to Bruce". IE having no self-respect and failing at everything.
Such as? That may be your impression, but I wasn't trying to suggest that whatsoever. "Look at her talking down to men, this is awful" no matter what she was saying or doing.
Having Bruce be 100% right and Jen 100% wrong the entire show, what else does that suggest?
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