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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 30, 2023 4:59:04 GMT
You were arguing that the majority of people want to see this series, but by that logic shouldn't Marvel Studios had axed a product they understood wasn't in high demand and didn't seem like it was going to be well-liked? With Guardians nobody knew what to expect, most conversation around it was that it was a big gamble. And it didn't work out very well for you. Your double standards argument just isn't as effective as you think it is. Fallacy gonna be a fallacy. No, the conversation with Guardians was that Marvel Studios were idiots to think the film could ever work and no one would see it and the characters were too ridiculous and it would flop royally. After that, the MCU was justified in making anything.
It is, that's why no one can define exactly why it's fine for Jerry but not Jen.
No win scenario, they were intent on hating Jen and nothing was gonna change that without compromising her character
No, the conversation with Guardians of the Galaxy was that it was a big gamble, but Marvel Studios had earned enough trust to create optimism. It really isn't the more you try to argue it the more you look foolish and come off as a jerk and a bully to any who disagrees with you. Fallacy gonna be a fallacy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:14:07 GMT
Disowned by the Grifters and their supporters, but history showed they're idiots so their reaction means nothing. Still doesn't follow my question, the people you cite as grifters and their supporters weren't saying Guardians would flop in 2014. And if their opinions are so worthless to you, why have they basically affected your perception so much that you think anyone who is negative on a product must therefore be one or the other? Yes they were, they deleted their old videos once they realized how wrong they were and the other detractors were flooding IMDB with "Guardians will bomb" messages 24/7 in the build-up to the movie. We had a great time bumping all those old messages when the movie came out.
Because their presence and impact on fandom has been strong enough it's clear that the nay-sayers all belong to their movements.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:15:57 GMT
They aren't speaking up for themselves in non-deranged ways.
Jen could never get away with the stuff Jerry did in his show, easy.
He did, everything in that episode and everything important revolved around him dominating her completely.
Have a female character show up in a male-led show and do what Matt did, she'd be written off as a Mary Sue.
Maybe in your online ventures, but not mine. Probably because they are not the same kind of character. That didn't happen. Why are you so determined to make me look problematic? I genuinely liked an episode; can't that be one thing we can at least agree on? Fallacy. Mine, and others. It's gotten to the point where other YouTubers have begun taking swipes at the Grifters.
So double standards, Jerry can get away with anything and everything and Jen can't say a word without getting ripped into.
Not if it's a problematic episode that shows how certain folks could only enjoy the show if Jen were suddenly a useless damsel.
Just truth.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:16:21 GMT
You argue that somehow they know more like they are some kind of authority, like with Midnight's Edge. They don't, they're just Grifters and thus inherently untrustworthy. I never claimed they are an authority. Point to where I do. You stood up for them when I call them Grifters.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:18:09 GMT
It shows that this keeps happening and "No one asking for this" isn't an excuse.
I'm simply playing by your rules and saying that "Even if they were trying to make her unlikable and outright said so, the same complaints would pop up even though male characters don't get this hate."
IE, no win scenario. It shows how "fans" were out to hate Jen from before Day One and nothing could be done to please the haters. Nothing.
You were arguing that the majority of people want to see this series, but by that logic shouldn't Marvel Studios had axed a product they understood wasn't in high demand and didn't seem like it was going to be well-liked? With Guardians nobody knew what to expect, most conversation around it was that it was a big gamble. And it didn't work out very well for you. Your double standards argument just isn't as effective as you think it is. Fallacy gonna be a fallacy. No, with Guardians a lot of people expected it to bomb spectacularly and it wasn't a gamble so much as it was going to be DOA. It's success proved that you should never ever listen to fans when they say "I don't want this".
It is, folks just don't want to own up and admit that other characters could easily get away with stuff Jen can't.
No-Win Scenario. Unpleasable.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:19:50 GMT
Yes they were, absolutely they were. All over IMDB and news sites they kept saying that GOTG would flop massively and destroy the MCU as we knew it and get Feige fired.
Because no one learned anything from how they kept getting it wrong and their followers keep spreading their poison everywhere, contaminating everything and ruining fandom for decent people.
Okay then, kindly point to a quote where, say, Mr. Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic) (Or any of the people we have discussed thus far that you call as being grifters) says in 2014 that Guardians of the Galaxy was going to flop at the box office and ruin the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You don't sound like you have a good history with certain content creators online and their supporters, but just because someone doesn't like a piece of media that you do that doesn't mean they are either what you describe as a grifter or a follower of them. In fact, they may not even know who any of the people you cite as being grifters are. They took down their videos after they realized they were 100% wrong. It's like how the Critical Drinker dunked on "Prey" until he saw it was a success and changed his video, but got caught out.
If they come after me and try to dox me and get me banned from websites and forums, they're Grifter Cultists.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:21:06 GMT
In mine, and several others.
So Jerry can get away with stuff Jen can't. Double Standards.
It did happen, and the reasons for liking it are because it sidelined Jen and made her a useless character in her own show. Which is what certain folks were hoping the show would really be: Jen being sidelined while the show was really about someone else, like Bruce.
History says otherwise.
We are just talking about you and me here and our experiences. Not everyone else. They are not the same kind of character to begin with, so a comparison just cannot be made. Was Jerry a superhero? No. Was Jerry a lawyer? No. Does Jerry live in Los Angeles? No. And we both know he isn't a woman. Is Jennifer Walters based in New York? No. Is Jennifer Walters' occupation a comedian? No. If Jennifer Walters a former Umbrella salesperson? No. And we both know she isn't a man. My liking of an episode represents the mentality of the series' critics? Like your justification of society gone backwards over my lack of familiarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show this argument is just going nowhere. History says that is a fallacy. You haven't exposed yourself to the Fandom Menace.
Those are superficial things, window dressing.
You liked the one episode where Jen was reduced to a useless secondary in her own show. Says something.
History sides with me.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:21:44 GMT
You won't admit they indulge in any form of Griftery, that's the same thing as claiming they're a legit authority. No, it isn't. But thank you again for proving me right that you are acting like a jerk and a bully in this conversation. It is. If you can't own up to them being Grifters, it means you support them as legit.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 30, 2023 13:23:37 GMT
No, the conversation with Guardians was that Marvel Studios were idiots to think the film could ever work and no one would see it and the characters were too ridiculous and it would flop royally. After that, the MCU was justified in making anything.
It is, that's why no one can define exactly why it's fine for Jerry but not Jen.
No win scenario, they were intent on hating Jen and nothing was gonna change that without compromising her character
No, the conversation with Guardians of the Galaxy was that it was a big gamble, but Marvel Studios had earned enough trust to create optimism. It really isn't the more you try to argue it the more you look foolish and come off as a jerk and a bully to any who disagrees with you. Fallacy gonna be a fallacy. The conversation was that it was going to be DOA, that Kevin Feige was a moron who greenlit this, and that it would flop royally and destroy the studio and Feige would have to resign. No optimism.
Jerry can just get away with stuff Jen can't. Double standards.
No Win Scenario, unless you'd rather Jen be a useless shrieking damsel who had to be 100% wrong all the time and Bruce 100% right all the time.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 31, 2023 5:36:57 GMT
formersamhmd... There were most certainly people who doubted the success of the first Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and argued that it could be a box office flop (the ones who argued it would be a box office flop were a small but occasionally loud number) but where is your evidence that people such as Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Crtiical Drinker), the people of Geeks + Gamers, or Eric D. July (Young Rippa) (And other YouTubers mentioned in this specific conversation) had made videos being critical of the film and deleted them after it was released? Please note that I am not talking generally, but specifically. I have looked at their YouTube account pages and Nerdotic's earliest video is dated five years ago, The Critical Drinker's first video was 10 years ago, there appears to be no activity after his third upload till five years later when he made his first review, which was of the film The Disaster Artist. Geeks + Gamers started as a channel in the summer of 2014, but their content was reaction videos and live streams of gameplay, they didn't really start to take on the title of culture warriors till 2017 after being burnt by The Last Jedi if I am not mistaken. Mr. July's first video was 14 years ago and was him competing in an athletic competition, from then to six years ago he was making videos with friends and doing covers to songs. And, if you want to bring in Midnight's Edge into the equation, they began in 2015 and their first year of videos was largely dedicated to the then upcoming Fantastic Four movie. Andre, who went by Norse_Sage on IMDb Prime, was all excited for Guardians of the Galaxy and still to this day considers his absolute favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. I have made the defense because I don't agree with the argument of them being scam artists, and since you have provided no proof other than bias I cannot jump on board that train of thought. You can dislike their content and them as people as much as you wish though. However, I will defend Midnight's Edge further because as mentioned I am good friends with the people involved in the channel, especially Andre who I have known for 16 years going back to being users on IMDb Prime, and I do not desire to stay quiet when I see someone speak so ill of his character when they know next to nothing about him (You didn't even know the channel existed till a few weeks ago). Your double standards argument is really going nowhere, Jerry Seinfeld and Jennifer Walters have nothing in common as characters that requires comparison. They share no similarities whatsoever, not even in character arc. Neither the Seinfeld series or the She-Hulk series have anything in common outside of being categorized as sitcoms. Their mission statements do not reflect one another in any way. At this point, you might as well compare the films of Paul Thomas Anderson and Paul WS Anderson simply because they share the same first and last name and argue that critics who prefer one of the others' work is a case of "double standards" for so-and-so reasons and not on the quality of the filmmaking. My unfamiliarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show speaks nothing about society, all it means is that I have haven't yet seen the program for myself yet. I neither argued nor agreed with your comparison with She-Hulk in the content of the screenwriting. If you want to make the argument of society going downhill, perhaps find someone who has actually seen the two programs and actually suits your argument. There is nothing problematic about the eighth episode of She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, and my enjoyment of the episode says nothing about anyone else who enjoyed it as well other than having an opinion. If I cannot be allowed to completely enjoy that specific episode, then what episode of the entire first season should I be required to enjoy from start to finish? Wanting character development to happen in a series with a lead I had difficulty really latching onto as a viewer is not a bad thing, and your assumption of what I would have liked to see just makes you come off as a jerk and a bully who has to have everyone be on the same page as them in order for a conversation be over and done with.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 31, 2023 13:37:40 GMT
formersamhmd ... There were most certainly people who doubted the success of the first Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and argued that it could be a box office flop (the ones who argued it would be a box office flop were a small but occasionally loud number) but where is your evidence that people such as Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Crtiical Drinker), the people of Geeks + Gamers, or Eric D. July (Young Rippa) (And other YouTubers mentioned in this specific conversation) had made videos being critical of the film and deleted them after it was released? Please note that I am not talking generally, but specifically. I have looked at their YouTube account pages and Nerdotic's earliest video is dated five years ago, The Critical Drinker's first video was 10 years ago, there appears to be no activity after his third upload till five years later when he made his first review, which was of the film The Disaster Artist. Geeks + Gamers started as a channel in the summer of 2014, but their content was reaction videos and live streams of gameplay, they didn't really start to take on the title of culture warriors till 2017 after being burnt by The Last Jedi if I am not mistaken. Mr. July's first video was 14 years ago and was him competing in an athletic competition, from then to six years ago he was making videos with friends and doing covers to songs. And, if you want to bring in Midnight's Edge into the equation, they began in 2015 and their first year of videos was largely dedicated to the then upcoming Fantastic Four movie. Andre, who went by Norse_Sage on IMDb Prime, was all excited for Guardians of the Galaxy and still to this day considers his absolute favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. I have made the defense because I don't agree with the argument of them being scam artists, and since you have provided no proof other than bias I cannot jump on board that train of thought. You can dislike their content and them as people as much as you wish though. However, I will defend Midnight's Edge further because as mentioned I am good friends with the people involved in the channel, especially Andre who I have known for 16 years going back to being users on IMDb Prime, and I do not desire to stay quiet when I see someone speak so ill of his character when they know next to nothing about him (You didn't even know the channel existed till a few weeks ago). Your double standards argument is really going nowhere, Jerry Seinfeld and Jennifer Walters have nothing in common as characters that requires comparison. They share no similarities whatsoever, not even in character arc. Neither the Seinfeld series or the She-Hulk series have anything in common outside of being categorized as sitcoms. Their mission statements do not reflect one another in any way. At this point, you might as well compare the films of Paul Thomas Anderson and Paul WS Anderson simply because they share the same first and last name and argue that critics who prefer one of the others' work is a case of "double standards" for so-and-so reasons and not on the quality of the filmmaking. My unfamiliarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show speaks nothing about society, all it means is that I have haven't yet seen the program for myself yet. I neither argued nor agreed with your comparison with She-Hulk in the content of the screenwriting. If you want to make the argument of society going downhill, perhaps find someone who has actually seen the two programs and actually suits your argument. There is nothing problematic about the eighth episode of She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, and my enjoyment of the episode says nothing about anyone else who enjoyed it as well other than having an opinion. If I cannot be allowed to completely enjoy that specific episode, then what episode of the entire first season should I be required to enjoy from start to finish? Wanting character development to happen in a series with a lead I had difficulty really latching onto as a viewer is not a bad thing, and your assumption of what I would have liked to see just makes you come off as a jerk and a bully who has to have everyone be on the same page as them in order for a conversation be over and done with. The Drinker took swipes at Prey before it came out and then quickly reworked the same videos and rewrote the titles once he saw it was a hit that most enjoyed. That told me all I needed to know.
Andre can say now that he loves GOTG, but they sure didn't in the build-up.
I've known about Midnight's Edge since they did that coverage on Fantastic Four 2015. I enjoyed them till I realized they were bottom-feeder Grifters.
The double standards come in that Jerry can do whatever awful stuff he can in his show and he praised for it, but Jen can't do anything good or bad without being ripped into because certain folks hate her for the fact she exists at all. Nothing she could do would satisfy them, except be a useless shrieking damsel sidekick for Bruce.
It speaks that we've regressed over the last 10 years. Become much more intolerant, misogynistic and outright xenophobic.
I don't know, but I do know it says a lot that the only thing you enjoyed was seeing Jen be sidelined and reduced to a useless character in her own show.
Character Development = Jen having no self respect, no spine, letting Bruce lead her around and have no agency of her own and never ever talk back to Bruce even when he's wrong. Oh, and have Jen be wrong about every legal thing she does and have the men be right about everything and have them constantly talk down to her.
This is what I mean be society's de-evolution.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 31, 2023 17:19:02 GMT
formersamhmd ... There were most certainly people who doubted the success of the first Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and argued that it could be a box office flop (the ones who argued it would be a box office flop were a small but occasionally loud number) but where is your evidence that people such as Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Crtiical Drinker), the people of Geeks + Gamers, or Eric D. July (Young Rippa) (And other YouTubers mentioned in this specific conversation) had made videos being critical of the film and deleted them after it was released? Please note that I am not talking generally, but specifically. I have looked at their YouTube account pages and Nerdotic's earliest video is dated five years ago, The Critical Drinker's first video was 10 years ago, there appears to be no activity after his third upload till five years later when he made his first review, which was of the film The Disaster Artist. Geeks + Gamers started as a channel in the summer of 2014, but their content was reaction videos and live streams of gameplay, they didn't really start to take on the title of culture warriors till 2017 after being burnt by The Last Jedi if I am not mistaken. Mr. July's first video was 14 years ago and was him competing in an athletic competition, from then to six years ago he was making videos with friends and doing covers to songs. And, if you want to bring in Midnight's Edge into the equation, they began in 2015 and their first year of videos was largely dedicated to the then upcoming Fantastic Four movie. Andre, who went by Norse_Sage on IMDb Prime, was all excited for Guardians of the Galaxy and still to this day considers his absolute favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. I have made the defense because I don't agree with the argument of them being scam artists, and since you have provided no proof other than bias I cannot jump on board that train of thought. You can dislike their content and them as people as much as you wish though. However, I will defend Midnight's Edge further because as mentioned I am good friends with the people involved in the channel, especially Andre who I have known for 16 years going back to being users on IMDb Prime, and I do not desire to stay quiet when I see someone speak so ill of his character when they know next to nothing about him (You didn't even know the channel existed till a few weeks ago). Your double standards argument is really going nowhere, Jerry Seinfeld and Jennifer Walters have nothing in common as characters that requires comparison. They share no similarities whatsoever, not even in character arc. Neither the Seinfeld series or the She-Hulk series have anything in common outside of being categorized as sitcoms. Their mission statements do not reflect one another in any way. At this point, you might as well compare the films of Paul Thomas Anderson and Paul WS Anderson simply because they share the same first and last name and argue that critics who prefer one of the others' work is a case of "double standards" for so-and-so reasons and not on the quality of the filmmaking. My unfamiliarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show speaks nothing about society, all it means is that I have haven't yet seen the program for myself yet. I neither argued nor agreed with your comparison with She-Hulk in the content of the screenwriting. If you want to make the argument of society going downhill, perhaps find someone who has actually seen the two programs and actually suits your argument. There is nothing problematic about the eighth episode of She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, and my enjoyment of the episode says nothing about anyone else who enjoyed it as well other than having an opinion. If I cannot be allowed to completely enjoy that specific episode, then what episode of the entire first season should I be required to enjoy from start to finish? Wanting character development to happen in a series with a lead I had difficulty really latching onto as a viewer is not a bad thing, and your assumption of what I would have liked to see just makes you come off as a jerk and a bully who has to have everyone be on the same page as them in order for a conversation be over and done with. The Drinker took swipes at Prey before it came out and then quickly reworked the same videos and rewrote the titles once he saw it was a hit that most enjoyed. That told me all I needed to know.
Andre can say now that he loves GOTG, but they sure didn't in the build-up.
I've known about Midnight's Edge since they did that coverage on Fantastic Four 2015. I enjoyed them till I realized they were bottom-feeder Grifters.
The double standards come in that Jerry can do whatever awful stuff he can in his show and he praised for it, but Jen can't do anything good or bad without being ripped into because certain folks hate her for the fact she exists at all. Nothing she could do would satisfy them, except be a useless shrieking damsel sidekick for Bruce.
It speaks that we've regressed over the last 10 years. Become much more intolerant, misogynistic and outright xenophobic.
I don't know, but I do know it says a lot that the only thing you enjoyed was seeing Jen be sidelined and reduced to a useless character in her own show.
Character Development = Jen having no self respect, no spine, letting Bruce lead her around and have no agency of her own and never ever talk back to Bruce even when he's wrong. Oh, and have Jen be wrong about every legal thing she does and have the men be right about everything and have them constantly talk down to her.
This is what I mean be society's de-evolution.
I didn’t like She-Hulk but it wasn’t because of its politics, only its horrid writing. It’s unfortunate that we debate the role of contemporary political discourses in cinema when the products are of such low quality. Do you really want to champion the politics of a series that is so puerile? That’s my biggest gripe against the show. I agree that some of these right wing commentators (I wouldn’t refer to them all as grifters as they seem passionate about these franchises and they are being gifted a lot of material from the failing studios lately) have complaints that are ‘red meat’ for conservatives. But I also find it laughable that some on the other side of politics defend absolute trash films and series (not you necessarily, I am not reading this entire thread, and I doubt that anyone is, such is the nature of threads when two folks engage in lengthy debate). You could tell that She-Hulk was written by a GROUP of idiots. One person couldn’t be responsible for that much garbage. No, it was created by a writing room of people probably too afraid to censor each other. A quick google search found this: Before we get to the sitcom background of these no-names, look at how many of them there are for a series that had a notoriously short run time. Have you ever read quality literature that had so many writers? There is a reason why it is rarely done. Writers have a vision for their creation. I don’t know much about sit coms, I imagine they have a writing team but then again they also have 22 episode seasons. If Jessica Gao is so talented she wouldn’t have needed much help in writing this series but after seeing her in interviews I wouldn’t give her a contract to write a series. Disney has a quality control problem right down to it’s core. If you can’t recruit quality writers then you can’t achieve good products.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 31, 2023 20:51:24 GMT
The Drinker took swipes at Prey before it came out and then quickly reworked the same videos and rewrote the titles once he saw it was a hit that most enjoyed. That told me all I needed to know.
Andre can say now that he loves GOTG, but they sure didn't in the build-up.
I've known about Midnight's Edge since they did that coverage on Fantastic Four 2015. I enjoyed them till I realized they were bottom-feeder Grifters.
The double standards come in that Jerry can do whatever awful stuff he can in his show and he praised for it, but Jen can't do anything good or bad without being ripped into because certain folks hate her for the fact she exists at all. Nothing she could do would satisfy them, except be a useless shrieking damsel sidekick for Bruce.
It speaks that we've regressed over the last 10 years. Become much more intolerant, misogynistic and outright xenophobic.
I don't know, but I do know it says a lot that the only thing you enjoyed was seeing Jen be sidelined and reduced to a useless character in her own show.
Character Development = Jen having no self respect, no spine, letting Bruce lead her around and have no agency of her own and never ever talk back to Bruce even when he's wrong. Oh, and have Jen be wrong about every legal thing she does and have the men be right about everything and have them constantly talk down to her.
This is what I mean be society's de-evolution.
I didn’t like She-Hulk but it wasn’t because of its politics, only its horrid writing. It’s unfortunate that we debate the role of contemporary political discourses in cinema when the products are of such low quality. Do you really want to champion the politics of a series that is so puerile? That’s my biggest gripe against the show. I agree that some of these right wing commentators (I wouldn’t refer to them all as grifters as they seem passionate about these franchises and they are being gifted a lot of material from the failing studios lately) have complaints that are ‘red meat’ for conservatives. But I also find it laughable that some on the other side of politics defend absolute trash films and series (not you necessarily, I am not reading this entire thread, and I doubt that anyone is, such is the nature of threads when two folks engage in lengthy debate). You could tell that She-Hulk was written by a GROUP of idiots. One person couldn’t be responsible for that much garbage. No, it was created by a writing room of people probably too afraid to censor each other. A quick google search found this: Before we get to the sitcom background of these no-names, look at how many of them there are for a series that had a notoriously short run time. Have you ever read quality literature that had so many writers? There is a reason why it is rarely done. Writers have a vision for their creation. I don’t know much about sit coms, I imagine they have a writing team but then again they also have 22 episode seasons. If Jessica Gao is so talented she wouldn’t have needed much help in writing this series but after seeing her in interviews I wouldn’t give her a contract to write a series. Disney has a quality control problem right down to it’s core. If you can’t recruit quality writers then you can’t achieve good products. It's as well written as Seinfeld or the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda.
As for show not lasting long...look at Firefly, was that because of bad writing?
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 31, 2023 21:17:46 GMT
I didn’t like She-Hulk but it wasn’t because of its politics, only its horrid writing. It’s unfortunate that we debate the role of contemporary political discourses in cinema when the products are of such low quality. Do you really want to champion the politics of a series that is so puerile? That’s my biggest gripe against the show. I agree that some of these right wing commentators (I wouldn’t refer to them all as grifters as they seem passionate about these franchises and they are being gifted a lot of material from the failing studios lately) have complaints that are ‘red meat’ for conservatives. But I also find it laughable that some on the other side of politics defend absolute trash films and series (not you necessarily, I am not reading this entire thread, and I doubt that anyone is, such is the nature of threads when two folks engage in lengthy debate). You could tell that She-Hulk was written by a GROUP of idiots. One person couldn’t be responsible for that much garbage. No, it was created by a writing room of people probably too afraid to censor each other. A quick google search found this: Before we get to the sitcom background of these no-names, look at how many of them there are for a series that had a notoriously short run time. Have you ever read quality literature that had so many writers? There is a reason why it is rarely done. Writers have a vision for their creation. I don’t know much about sit coms, I imagine they have a writing team but then again they also have 22 episode seasons. If Jessica Gao is so talented she wouldn’t have needed much help in writing this series but after seeing her in interviews I wouldn’t give her a contract to write a series. Disney has a quality control problem right down to it’s core. If you can’t recruit quality writers then you can’t achieve good products. It's as well written as Seinfeld or the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda.
As for show not lasting long...look at Firefly, was that because of bad writing?
I’m not familiar with any of these shows (that’s right, I never really watched Seinfeld). Even by sit-com standards, I think She-Hulk is garbage. One if the worst shows I’ve seen. Having said that, I liked the casting and the characters, just nothing that they said or did. It’s like they took the worst draft they could find.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 1, 2023 2:46:36 GMT
It's as well written as Seinfeld or the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda.
As for show not lasting long...look at Firefly, was that because of bad writing?
I’m not familiar with any of these shows (that’s right, I never really watched Seinfeld). Even by sit-com standards, I think She-Hulk is garbage. One if the worst shows I’ve seen. Having said that, I liked the casting and the characters, just nothing that they said or did. It’s like they took the worst draft they could find. See, this hyperbolic "Worst ever" nonsense is what I can't take seriously. People who say that need to watch actual bad television.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 2:52:37 GMT
I didn’t like She-Hulk but it wasn’t because of its politics, only its horrid writing. It’s unfortunate that we debate the role of contemporary political discourses in cinema when the products are of such low quality. Do you really want to champion the politics of a series that is so puerile? That’s my biggest gripe against the show. I agree that some of these right wing commentators (I wouldn’t refer to them all as grifters as they seem passionate about these franchises and they are being gifted a lot of material from the failing studios lately) have complaints that are ‘red meat’ for conservatives. But I also find it laughable that some on the other side of politics defend absolute trash films and series (not you necessarily, I am not reading this entire thread, and I doubt that anyone is, such is the nature of threads when two folks engage in lengthy debate). You could tell that She-Hulk was written by a GROUP of idiots. One person couldn’t be responsible for that much garbage. No, it was created by a writing room of people probably too afraid to censor each other. A quick google search found this: Before we get to the sitcom background of these no-names, look at how many of them there are for a series that had a notoriously short run time. Have you ever read quality literature that had so many writers? There is a reason why it is rarely done. Writers have a vision for their creation. I don’t know much about sit coms, I imagine they have a writing team but then again they also have 22 episode seasons. If Jessica Gao is so talented she wouldn’t have needed much help in writing this series but after seeing her in interviews I wouldn’t give her a contract to write a series. Disney has a quality control problem right down to it’s core. If you can’t recruit quality writers then you can’t achieve good products. It's as well written as Seinfeld or the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda.
And the scent of horse manure is as appetizing as fresh baked pizza or donuts or apple pie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 1, 2023 5:45:06 GMT
It's as well written as Seinfeld or the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda.
And the scent of horse manure is as appetizing as fresh baked pizza or donuts or apple pie. You haven't even seen the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda, in fact you barely even watched She-Hulk. You can't say any of that with real conviction.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 18:15:49 GMT
And the scent of horse manure is as appetizing as fresh baked pizza or donuts or apple pie. You haven't even seen the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda, in fact you barely even watched She-Hulk. You can't say any of that with real conviction. Huh? I don’t know what Rhoda is but I have seen the MTM show and I finished She Hulk a few weeks ago.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 2, 2023 0:42:28 GMT
You haven't even seen the Mary Tyler Moore show or Rhoda, in fact you barely even watched She-Hulk. You can't say any of that with real conviction. Huh? I don’t know what Rhoda is but I have seen the MTM show and I finished She Hulk a few weeks ago. Then you have little to complain about in She-Hulk, unless you hate the MTM Show.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 3:58:01 GMT
Huh? I don’t know what Rhoda is but I have seen the MTM show and I finished She Hulk a few weeks ago. Then you have little to complain about in She-Hulk, unless you hate the MTM Show. And you have little to complain about with horse manure unless you hate the smell of freshly baked apple pie.
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