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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 2, 2023 4:09:34 GMT
formersamhmd ... There were most certainly people who doubted the success of the first Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 and argued that it could be a box office flop (the ones who argued it would be a box office flop were a small but occasionally loud number) but where is your evidence that people such as Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Crtiical Drinker), the people of Geeks + Gamers, or Eric D. July (Young Rippa) (And other YouTubers mentioned in this specific conversation) had made videos being critical of the film and deleted them after it was released? Please note that I am not talking generally, but specifically. I have looked at their YouTube account pages and Nerdotic's earliest video is dated five years ago, The Critical Drinker's first video was 10 years ago, there appears to be no activity after his third upload till five years later when he made his first review, which was of the film The Disaster Artist. Geeks + Gamers started as a channel in the summer of 2014, but their content was reaction videos and live streams of gameplay, they didn't really start to take on the title of culture warriors till 2017 after being burnt by The Last Jedi if I am not mistaken. Mr. July's first video was 14 years ago and was him competing in an athletic competition, from then to six years ago he was making videos with friends and doing covers to songs. And, if you want to bring in Midnight's Edge into the equation, they began in 2015 and their first year of videos was largely dedicated to the then upcoming Fantastic Four movie. Andre, who went by Norse_Sage on IMDb Prime, was all excited for Guardians of the Galaxy and still to this day considers his absolute favorite Marvel Cinematic Universe movie. I have made the defense because I don't agree with the argument of them being scam artists, and since you have provided no proof other than bias I cannot jump on board that train of thought. You can dislike their content and them as people as much as you wish though. However, I will defend Midnight's Edge further because as mentioned I am good friends with the people involved in the channel, especially Andre who I have known for 16 years going back to being users on IMDb Prime, and I do not desire to stay quiet when I see someone speak so ill of his character when they know next to nothing about him (You didn't even know the channel existed till a few weeks ago). Your double standards argument is really going nowhere, Jerry Seinfeld and Jennifer Walters have nothing in common as characters that requires comparison. They share no similarities whatsoever, not even in character arc. Neither the Seinfeld series or the She-Hulk series have anything in common outside of being categorized as sitcoms. Their mission statements do not reflect one another in any way. At this point, you might as well compare the films of Paul Thomas Anderson and Paul WS Anderson simply because they share the same first and last name and argue that critics who prefer one of the others' work is a case of "double standards" for so-and-so reasons and not on the quality of the filmmaking. My unfamiliarity with The Mary Tyler Moore Show speaks nothing about society, all it means is that I have haven't yet seen the program for myself yet. I neither argued nor agreed with your comparison with She-Hulk in the content of the screenwriting. If you want to make the argument of society going downhill, perhaps find someone who has actually seen the two programs and actually suits your argument. There is nothing problematic about the eighth episode of She-Hulk: Attorney At Law, and my enjoyment of the episode says nothing about anyone else who enjoyed it as well other than having an opinion. If I cannot be allowed to completely enjoy that specific episode, then what episode of the entire first season should I be required to enjoy from start to finish? Wanting character development to happen in a series with a lead I had difficulty really latching onto as a viewer is not a bad thing, and your assumption of what I would have liked to see just makes you come off as a jerk and a bully who has to have everyone be on the same page as them in order for a conversation be over and done with. The Drinker took swipes at Prey before it came out and then quickly reworked the same videos and rewrote the titles once he saw it was a hit that most enjoyed. That told me all I needed to know.
Andre can say now that he loves GOTG, but they sure didn't in the build-up.
I've known about Midnight's Edge since they did that coverage on Fantastic Four 2015. I enjoyed them till I realized they were bottom-feeder Grifters.
The double standards come in that Jerry can do whatever awful stuff he can in his show and he praised for it, but Jen can't do anything good or bad without being ripped into because certain folks hate her for the fact she exists at all. Nothing she could do would satisfy them, except be a useless shrieking damsel sidekick for Bruce.
It speaks that we've regressed over the last 10 years. Become much more intolerant, misogynistic and outright xenophobic.
I don't know, but I do know it says a lot that the only thing you enjoyed was seeing Jen be sidelined and reduced to a useless character in her own show.
Character Development = Jen having no self respect, no spine, letting Bruce lead her around and have no agency of her own and never ever talk back to Bruce even when he's wrong. Oh, and have Jen be wrong about every legal thing she does and have the men be right about everything and have them constantly talk down to her.
This is what I mean be society's de-evolution.
formersamhmd... I am not talking about the Predator installment Prey from last year, I am talking about impressions of Guardians of the Galaxy in the year of 2014 before release. You claim all these people made videos trashing it and then deleted them, but some of these channels didn't take off till well after 2014 and if they had they didn't begin to produce the content that they are known for till years later. I cannot speak for what they all thought of the movie before it came out - back then I didn't know half of these people existed on the planet Earth, but I do know Andre of Midnight's Edge and recall him, under the username Norse_Sage, showing strong interest in the movie when it was announced and he loved it, you may even be able to see his old posts in praise of it in archives on filmboards or other places that have documented IMDb message board activity before they closed down the message boards. But January 9th of this year, you said you had never heard of Midnight's Edge or had ever seen their channel before, in the thread, "My favourite superhero films/ comics youtubers". Why the lie? Your attempts at trying to cope with why people didn't care for the She-Hulk program becomes sadder the more you try, that you cannot comprehend how people can just simply feel a different away about media and that you have to try and create a scenario where they are all wrong and with problematic views and taste while you stand the higher ground says more about you than anyone else.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 2, 2023 12:42:30 GMT
Then you have little to complain about in She-Hulk, unless you hate the MTM Show. And you have little to complain about with horse manure unless you hate the smell of freshly baked apple pie. See, now you're just further proving you haven't watched either show. You haven't even named one reasonable thing you dislike about She-Hulk. It better not be nonsense like the "catcalling" line either.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 2, 2023 12:45:52 GMT
The Drinker took swipes at Prey before it came out and then quickly reworked the same videos and rewrote the titles once he saw it was a hit that most enjoyed. That told me all I needed to know.
Andre can say now that he loves GOTG, but they sure didn't in the build-up.
I've known about Midnight's Edge since they did that coverage on Fantastic Four 2015. I enjoyed them till I realized they were bottom-feeder Grifters.
The double standards come in that Jerry can do whatever awful stuff he can in his show and he praised for it, but Jen can't do anything good or bad without being ripped into because certain folks hate her for the fact she exists at all. Nothing she could do would satisfy them, except be a useless shrieking damsel sidekick for Bruce.
It speaks that we've regressed over the last 10 years. Become much more intolerant, misogynistic and outright xenophobic.
I don't know, but I do know it says a lot that the only thing you enjoyed was seeing Jen be sidelined and reduced to a useless character in her own show.
Character Development = Jen having no self respect, no spine, letting Bruce lead her around and have no agency of her own and never ever talk back to Bruce even when he's wrong. Oh, and have Jen be wrong about every legal thing she does and have the men be right about everything and have them constantly talk down to her.
This is what I mean be society's de-evolution.
formersamhmd ... I am not talking about the Predator installment Prey from last year, I am talking about impressions of Guardians of the Galaxy in the year of 2014 before release. You claim all these people made videos trashing it and then deleted them, but some of these channels didn't take off till well after 2014 and if they had they didn't begin to produce the content that they are known for till years later. I cannot speak for what they all thought of the movie before it came out - back then I didn't know half of these people existed on the planet Earth, but I do know Andre of Midnight's Edge and recall him, under the username Norse_Sage, showing strong interest in the movie when it was announced and he loved it, you may even be able to see his old posts in praise of it in archives on filmboards or other places that have documented IMDb message board activity before they closed down the message boards. But January 9th of this year, you said you had never heard of Midnight's Edge or had ever seen their channel before, in the thread, "My favourite superhero films/ comics youtubers". Why the lie? Your attempts at trying to cope with why people didn't care for the She-Hulk program becomes sadder the more you try, that you cannot comprehend how people can just simply feel a different away about media and that you have to try and create a scenario where they are all wrong and with problematic views and taste while you stand the higher ground says more about you than anyone else. They were part of the crowd bashing the film on the movie forums boards, all of whom ate crow when it came out.
So Norse_Sage was part of the basher crowd and spun around rather than stick to hid guns.
I'd heard of him before, I watched a few videos and was turned off by the Grifter attitude. I first heard about him when he covered the production of the 2015 Fantastic Four movie, back around 2016 IIRC.
I do comprehend it, they're the outdated folks who can't adjust to modern society and there's more of them than I realized.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 18:13:44 GMT
And you have little to complain about with horse manure unless you hate the smell of freshly baked apple pie. See, now you're just further proving you haven't watched either show. You haven't even named one reasonable thing you dislike about She-Hulk. It better not be nonsense like the "catcalling" line either. I was not bothered by the feminist angle. It was certainly clumsy but it was the least of this show’s issues. Plain and simple: it was a very mediocre sitcom with terrible writing and cringey humor that was never funny. I know you don’t actually believe it’s comparable to Seinfeld or Mary Tyler Moore. You are just being an obvious Disney shill. Your tactics in defending this show are specious, hyperbolic and downright absurd. You are not worth any more serious replies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 2, 2023 22:01:58 GMT
See, now you're just further proving you haven't watched either show. You haven't even named one reasonable thing you dislike about She-Hulk. It better not be nonsense like the "catcalling" line either. I was not bothered by the feminist angle. It was certainly clumsy but it was the least of this show’s issues. Plain and simple: it was a very mediocre sitcom with terrible writing and cringey humor that was never funny. I know you don’t actually believe it’s comparable to Seinfeld or Mary Tyler Moore. You are just being an obvious Disney shill. Your tactics in defending this show are specious, hyperbolic and downright absurd. You are not worth any more serious replies. You use Boogeyman words like "Shill", you lose credibility.
You keep saying "terrible writing" and don't give examples.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 2, 2023 22:06:23 GMT
formersamhmd... Kindly share the links to the IMDb profiles of Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Critical Drinker), Eric D. July (Young Rippa) and their posts that prove your claim to be right, then. "Was"? Norse_Sage (Andre) was enthusiastic about Guardians of the Galaxy and loved the movie, and still loves it to this day. He and Tom have been critical of Marvel Studios in recent years, but they have never stopped showing their fondness of the first Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3 is one of their most anticipated of the new year in fact. "Him" Midnight's Edge is made up of different people, it isn't operated by one person. There are times when Andre doesn't even appear on live-streams or narrates videos. And if you were familiar with the channel, why say you weren't early last month? It doesn't add up. Your cynicism becomes sadder and more comedic the more you display it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 2, 2023 22:13:20 GMT
formersamhmd ... Kindly share the links to the IMDb profiles of Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Critical Drinker), Eric D. July (Young Rippa) and their posts that prove your claim to be right, then. "Was"? Norse_Sage (Andre) was enthusiastic about Guardians of the Galaxy and loved the movie, and still loves it to this day. He and Tom have been critical of Marvel Studios in recent years, but they have never stopped showing their fondness of the first Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3 is one of their most anticipated of the new year in fact. "Him" Midnight's Edge is made up of different people, it isn't operated by one person. There are times when Andre doesn't even appear on live-streams or narrates videos. And if you were familiar with the channel, why say you weren't early last month? It doesn't add up. Your cynicism becomes sadder and more comedic the more you display it. They deleted them.
They're only saying they like GOTG Volume 3 because the team isn't "Woke", IE they're still led by a Straight White Male. That's all. They actually were part of the "Guardians will destroy the MCU!" movement from back around 2013.
I saw the stuff they did on the 2015 FF movie and enjoyed it, but once I saw them complaining about "Woke" stuff I saw what was up and stopped watching.
They're outdated, deeply outdated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 22:38:32 GMT
I was not bothered by the feminist angle. It was certainly clumsy but it was the least of this show’s issues. Plain and simple: it was a very mediocre sitcom with terrible writing and cringey humor that was never funny. I know you don’t actually believe it’s comparable to Seinfeld or Mary Tyler Moore. You are just being an obvious Disney shill. Your tactics in defending this show are specious, hyperbolic and downright absurd. You are not worth any more serious replies. You use Boogeyman words like "Shill", you lose credibility.
You keep saying "terrible writing" and don't give examples.
You say She Hulk is on par with two of the most iconic landmark comedies of all time and then talk of credibility?!
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 3, 2023 0:03:53 GMT
You use Boogeyman words like "Shill", you lose credibility.
You keep saying "terrible writing" and don't give examples.
You say She Hulk is on par with two of the most iconic landmark comedies of all time and then talk of credibility?! You still haven't given any examples, and that's just typical.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 3, 2023 7:46:02 GMT
formersamhmd ... Kindly share the links to the IMDb profiles of Gary Buechler (Nerdrotic), Will Jordan (The Critical Drinker), Eric D. July (Young Rippa) and their posts that prove your claim to be right, then. "Was"? Norse_Sage (Andre) was enthusiastic about Guardians of the Galaxy and loved the movie, and still loves it to this day. He and Tom have been critical of Marvel Studios in recent years, but they have never stopped showing their fondness of the first Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3 is one of their most anticipated of the new year in fact. "Him" Midnight's Edge is made up of different people, it isn't operated by one person. There are times when Andre doesn't even appear on live-streams or narrates videos. And if you were familiar with the channel, why say you weren't early last month? It doesn't add up. Your cynicism becomes sadder and more comedic the more you display it. They deleted them.
They're only saying they like GOTG Volume 3 because the team isn't "Woke", IE they're still led by a Straight White Male. That's all. They actually were part of the "Guardians will destroy the MCU!" movement from back around 2013.
I saw the stuff they did on the 2015 FF movie and enjoyed it, but once I saw them complaining about "Woke" stuff I saw what was up and stopped watching.
They're outdated, deeply outdated.
formersamhmd... Where is your proof of this? Your claims are quite bold, but you lack the substance to back them up. I think it is pretty evident that you are not familiar enough with Midnight's Edge as a channel and its creators, as pointed out already you stated you had not heard of them before, then you change the narrative altogether and say that you are, and till I corrected you, you described Midnight's Edge as a "he" when the channel has more than one creator. Your claim about them being amongst the people who said Guardians of the Galaxy would destroy the Marvel Cinematic Universe in 2013 is completely untrue, and doesn't line up from the time the channel was created to right now. Andre, under Norse_Sage, had Guardians of the Galaxy as one of his most anticipated of 2014 and after seeing it had it high on his favorites of the year and he still holds it high on his ranking of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe (I talked with him regularly). Secondly, he didn't meet Tom Connors till 2017. If anything is outdated it's your style of argument.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 3, 2023 15:50:48 GMT
They deleted them.
They're only saying they like GOTG Volume 3 because the team isn't "Woke", IE they're still led by a Straight White Male. That's all. They actually were part of the "Guardians will destroy the MCU!" movement from back around 2013.
I saw the stuff they did on the 2015 FF movie and enjoyed it, but once I saw them complaining about "Woke" stuff I saw what was up and stopped watching.
They're outdated, deeply outdated.
formersamhmd ... Where is your proof of this? Your claims are quite bold, but you lack the substance to back them up. I think it is pretty evident that you are not familiar enough with Midnight's Edge as a channel and its creators, as pointed out already you stated you had not heard of them before, then you change the narrative altogether and say that you are, and till I corrected you, you described Midnight's Edge as a "he" when the channel has more than one creator. Your claim about them being amongst the people who said Guardians of the Galaxy would destroy the Marvel Cinematic Universe in 2013 is completely untrue, and doesn't line up from the time the channel was created to right now. Andre, under Norse_Sage, had Guardians of the Galaxy as one of his most anticipated of 2014 and after seeing it had it high on his favorites of the year and he still holds it high on his ranking of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe (I talked with him regularly). Secondly, he didn't meet Tom Connors till 2017. If anything is outdated it's your style of argument. My proof is how they react to anything outside-the-box coming from the MCU with negativity. Like Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel, WandaVision, etc. They hate it all, meaning they'd have hated GOTG when it was first announced.
Norse_Sage simply changed his tune and suddenly said he was happy for the movie and then added it to his favorites list once it was clear it was a hit.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 4, 2023 7:47:07 GMT
formersamhmd ... Where is your proof of this? Your claims are quite bold, but you lack the substance to back them up. I think it is pretty evident that you are not familiar enough with Midnight's Edge as a channel and its creators, as pointed out already you stated you had not heard of them before, then you change the narrative altogether and say that you are, and till I corrected you, you described Midnight's Edge as a "he" when the channel has more than one creator. Your claim about them being amongst the people who said Guardians of the Galaxy would destroy the Marvel Cinematic Universe in 2013 is completely untrue, and doesn't line up from the time the channel was created to right now. Andre, under Norse_Sage, had Guardians of the Galaxy as one of his most anticipated of 2014 and after seeing it had it high on his favorites of the year and he still holds it high on his ranking of the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe (I talked with him regularly). Secondly, he didn't meet Tom Connors till 2017. If anything is outdated it's your style of argument. My proof is how they react to anything outside-the-box coming from the MCU with negativity. Like Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel, WandaVision, etc. They hate it all, meaning they'd have hated GOTG when it was first announced.
Norse_Sage simply changed his tune and suddenly said he was happy for the movie and then added it to his favorites list once it was clear it was a hit.
formersamhmd... That isn't fact, that is assumption. You are assuming they were against Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 because they don't like more recent Marvel Studios output, but you have nothing to support your claim. With no evidence that they had IMDb accounts and posts that support your claim of them being against that film before release, your argument just cannot go anywhere beyond what your claim, and is not likely to convince anyone else other than yourself. In regard to Andre of Midnight's Edge when he was Norse_Sage, I ask again to kindly point to an archived comment he had made that not in favor of Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 prior to release or earlier to when it was announced, because he and I have been communicating back and forth since 2007 and not once did I hear him express dislike towards the film before release, not even puzzlement when it was announced, if anything he was intrigued and made a topic asking where to start reading the title to get more knowledge of the lore. In all honesty, your arguments read like something a middle schooler would string together, which is unfortunate because I recall you being a strong debater in the past - what happened?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2023 13:57:39 GMT
My proof is how they react to anything outside-the-box coming from the MCU with negativity. Like Shang-Chi, Captain Marvel, WandaVision, etc. They hate it all, meaning they'd have hated GOTG when it was first announced.
Norse_Sage simply changed his tune and suddenly said he was happy for the movie and then added it to his favorites list once it was clear it was a hit.
formersamhmd ... That isn't fact, that is assumption. You are assuming they were against Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 because they don't like more recent Marvel Studios output, but you have nothing to support your claim. With no evidence that they had IMDb accounts and posts that support your claim of them being against that film before release, your argument just cannot go anywhere beyond what your claim, and is not likely to convince anyone else other than yourself. In regard to Andre of Midnight's Edge when he was Norse_Sage, I ask again to kindly point to an archived comment he had made that not in favor of Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 prior to release or earlier to when it was announced, because he and I have been communicating back and forth since 2007 and not once did I hear him express dislike towards the film before release, not even puzzlement when it was announced, if anything he was intrigued and made a topic asking where to start reading the title to get more knowledge of the lore. In all honesty, your arguments read like something a middle schooler would string together, which is unfortunate because I recall you being a strong debater in the past - what happened? It's a logical reasoning, they hate anything "outside the box" meaning they were part of the buffoon hater bandwagon that popped up to oppose Guardians back then too.
He says that now, but he didn't mean it. It's against everything Grifters stand for. And the archived comments I tried to find on the old IMDB don't go back to around 2013 when the Haters were in full force ranting about how the movie would destroy the MCU.
I told you, I'm sick of the Fandom Menace and how they corrupt and destroy everything. They don't want to co-exist with anyone, therefore they shouldn't be surprised they get it right back at them.
They ruined Star Trek, they ruined Star Wars, they ruined Tolkien, I won't let them have an inch of the MCU and DCEU if I can help it
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 4, 2023 14:32:33 GMT
This is some of the craziest shit I've ever read. How did 'they' ruin anything? If it's a high quality product, its success will continue whether people are bitching about it online or not. What are you going to do to stop 'them' from ruining something? Criticism (of something as trivial as pop culture) isn't going to stop because you want it to.
I can't believe this conversation has gone on for 14 pages, we should start taking bets on how many pages this and the other thread will end up with.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 4, 2023 16:16:03 GMT
This is some of the craziest shit I've ever read. How did 'they' ruin anything? If it's a high quality product, its success will continue whether people are bitching about it online or not. What are you going to do to stop 'them' from ruining something? Criticism (of something as trivial as pop culture) isn't going to stop because you want it to. I can't believe this conversation has gone on for 14 pages, we should start taking bets on how many pages this and the other thread will end up with. I think he’s talking about what has been described as bad-faith criticisms coming from YouTubers like Nerdrotic. Seriously, their relentless attacks towards ‘Shang-Chi’ before its release was flat-out insufferable.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2023 16:20:57 GMT
This is some of the craziest shit I've ever read. How did 'they' ruin anything? If it's a high quality product, its success will continue whether people are bitching about it online or not. What are you going to do to stop 'them' from ruining something? Criticism (of something as trivial as pop culture) isn't going to stop because you want it to. I can't believe this conversation has gone on for 14 pages, we should start taking bets on how many pages this and the other thread will end up with. The way they harassed the SW Sequel actors and kept ranting about nonexistent things like "Gender Politics" or "Identity Politics" or "SJW Propaganda". They try to ruin it for decent people who aren't hypercritical over Boogeyman stuff like that.
Same with Star Trek, beginning with the Discovery series once they saw the lead was a black woman. If these scum had been around back in the early 90s they'd have gone after Avery Brooks for being Sisko and Kate Mulgrew as Janeway.
Then the reaction when RoP was announced, without knowing a THING they condemned the series just for existing. It's disgusting.
This isn't criticism, it's Alex Jones level poison. It's a disease, a plague.
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Post by blockbusted on Feb 4, 2023 16:27:46 GMT
This is some of the craziest shit I've ever read. How did 'they' ruin anything? If it's a high quality product, its success will continue whether people are bitching about it online or not. What are you going to do to stop 'them' from ruining something? Criticism (of something as trivial as pop culture) isn't going to stop because you want it to. I can't believe this conversation has gone on for 14 pages, we should start taking bets on how many pages this and the other thread will end up with. The way they harassed the SW Sequel actors and kept ranting about nonexistent things like "Gender Politics" or "Identity Politics" or "SJW Propaganda". They try to ruin it for decent people who aren't hypercritical over Boogeyman stuff like that.
Same with Star Trek, beginning with the Discovery series once they saw the lead was a black woman. If these scum had been around back in the early 90s they'd have gone after Avery Brooks for being Sisko and Kate Mulgrew as Janeway.
Then the reaction when RoP was announced, without knowing a THING they condemned the series just for existing. It's disgusting.
This isn't criticism, it's Alex Jones level poison. It's a disease, a plague.
What’s RoP?
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 4, 2023 16:50:28 GMT
The way they harassed the SW Sequel actors and kept ranting about nonexistent things like "Gender Politics" or "Identity Politics" or "SJW Propaganda". They try to ruin it for decent people who aren't hypercritical over Boogeyman stuff like that.
Same with Star Trek, beginning with the Discovery series once they saw the lead was a black woman. If these scum had been around back in the early 90s they'd have gone after Avery Brooks for being Sisko and Kate Mulgrew as Janeway.
Then the reaction when RoP was announced, without knowing a THING they condemned the series just for existing. It's disgusting.
This isn't criticism, it's Alex Jones level poison. It's a disease, a plague.
What’s RoP? Rings of Power. These scum were hating on it the second it was announced, before they knew ANYTHING about it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 4, 2023 18:04:17 GMT
formersamhmd ... That isn't fact, that is assumption. You are assuming they were against Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 because they don't like more recent Marvel Studios output, but you have nothing to support your claim. With no evidence that they had IMDb accounts and posts that support your claim of them being against that film before release, your argument just cannot go anywhere beyond what your claim, and is not likely to convince anyone else other than yourself. In regard to Andre of Midnight's Edge when he was Norse_Sage, I ask again to kindly point to an archived comment he had made that not in favor of Guardians of the Galaxy in 2014 prior to release or earlier to when it was announced, because he and I have been communicating back and forth since 2007 and not once did I hear him express dislike towards the film before release, not even puzzlement when it was announced, if anything he was intrigued and made a topic asking where to start reading the title to get more knowledge of the lore. In all honesty, your arguments read like something a middle schooler would string together, which is unfortunate because I recall you being a strong debater in the past - what happened? It's a logical reasoning, they hate anything "outside the box" meaning they were part of the buffoon hater bandwagon that popped up to oppose Guardians back then too.
He says that now, but he didn't mean it. It's against everything Grifters stand for. And the archived comments I tried to find on the old IMDB don't go back to around 2013 when the Haters were in full force ranting about how the movie would destroy the MCU.
I told you, I'm sick of the Fandom Menace and how they corrupt and destroy everything. They don't want to co-exist with anyone, therefore they shouldn't be surprised they get it right back at them.
They ruined Star Trek, they ruined Star Wars, they ruined Tolkien, I won't let them have an inch of the MCU and DCEU if I can help it
formersamhmd... It isn't logical reasoning, it is assumption. I have agreed that there were people who questioned the first Guardians of the Galaxy when it was announced but your claim that the same people are so-and-so from YouTube is ridiculous. Your argument about Andre / Norse_Sage from Midnight's Edge being a liar is also completely ridiculous, and completely untrue. I have been friends with this person since 2007, I understand them very well and know with absolute certainty that what you claim is complete bunk. Not only that, but in 2013-2014 the idea of having a YouTube channel didn't even cross his and his collaborator's minds. Your argument is completely childish. Your attempt at justification does not make you the good guy in this scenario, as you are displaying the kind of behavior you accuse these people of routinely practicing, and for that you come across as a jerk and a bully with the debate skills of a junior high school student. People complaining about new Star Trek and Star Wars media goes back decades before the internet became as complex as it is today, same concerning the media adapted from the works of Tolkien. And it's a bit too late with regard of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and DC Extended Universe, as criticism has been recurring frequently since 2019 (But if memory serves you were not in favor of the DC Extended Universe, either). It sounds like if you don't want to see negative views expressed at particular media, then the creators of the product have to actually produce fantastic content that please everybody, but make a polarizing product, like The Last Jedi in reference to Star Wars, you will see mix responses.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Feb 4, 2023 18:09:47 GMT
This is some of the craziest shit I've ever read. How did 'they' ruin anything? If it's a high quality product, its success will continue whether people are bitching about it online or not. What are you going to do to stop 'them' from ruining something? Criticism (of something as trivial as pop culture) isn't going to stop because you want it to. I can't believe this conversation has gone on for 14 pages, we should start taking bets on how many pages this and the other thread will end up with. I think he’s talking about what has been described as bad-faith criticisms coming from YouTubers like Nerdrotic. Seriously, their relentless attacks towards ‘Shang-Chi’ before its release was flat-out insufferable. If memory serves the bulk of the negativity was in criticism against the narative that the film was something "new", "bold", and "one of a kind" as a product and that it was "the first" for Asian representation in film - which they pointed out is not true, as Asian led films have existed in the past and been successful at the box office.
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