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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 5:03:53 GMT
That’s not exactly what he said. That comment in question pertained to his adaptation of Watchmen. He was saying that Watchmen is a lot darker than TDK, and that in the Watchmen universe, Batman getting raped in prison is a thing that wouldn’t be out of place. The fact that Batman was never sexually assaulted in his movies should be a pretty clear indication that he never intended to have Batman get raped in prison. I didn't say he intended to have Batman raped in his Batman movies. Two can split hairs, thisguy. The exact quote for anyone interested: I’m aware of the quote. The context is pretty important. ew.com/article/2008/07/17/watchmen-chat-director-zack-snyder/He was doing an interview for the Watchmen movie, and was talking about the differences between his movie and Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 5:04:56 GMT
The Flash was no less well known than Iron Man or Captain America. Many people were already familiar with him thanks to the Super Friends cartoon, and he also had a live action show in the early 90s. Plus, he was a major character in the Justice League cartoon from the 2000s. Yes but being well known isn't the same thing as "iconic", for instance plenty of people know about that awful "Batman and Robin" film, but I wouldn't really call that movie "iconic". If I were to compare the sales for Captain America shirts vs Flash shirts, which do you think is gonna be higher? Captain America fought the Nazis and is an American icon, Flash is...really fast at running? How many shirts did Captain America sell before the MCU?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 28, 2023 5:10:19 GMT
Well for one Marvel has way more iconic superheroes than DC(Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-man, Hulk), it's prolly why for the longest time the only DC superhero movies we really got were either Batman or Superman, people just don't get seem to get excited as much over the Flash or Green Arrow. Iron Man and Captain America were B-listers before the MCU. I wouldn’t say they were particularly iconic. Marvel’s biggest titles back when the MCU began were Spider-Man and the X-Men, and they were tied up at other studios. Also, we had memorable Superman & Batman movies already in the bank. Face it, the bar for quality Superman is crazy high for us all.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 5:11:30 GMT
Yes but being well known isn't the same thing as "iconic", for instance plenty of people know about that awful "Batman and Robin" film, but I wouldn't really call that movie "iconic". If I were to compare the sales for Captain America shirts vs Flash shirts, which do you think is gonna be higher? Captain America fought the Nazis and is an American icon, Flash is...really fast at running? How many shirts did Captain America sell before the MCU? Dunno, but the question here isn't really how much Captain America shirts were sold, but who sold more? Based on first hand experience (I don't like using anecdotal evidence, but in this instance I dunno what else to go by), I remember seeing way more Captain America shirts than Flash, even before the movie.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 5:16:15 GMT
Iron Man and Captain America were B-listers before the MCU. I wouldn’t say they were particularly iconic. Marvel’s biggest titles back when the MCU began were Spider-Man and the X-Men, and they were tied up at other studios. Also, we had memorable Superman & Batman movies already in the bank. Face it, the bar for quality Superman is crazy high for us all. Well yeah we already had memorable Superman and Batman movies because they were already way more iconic than the other DC characters to begin with so Hollywood was more willing to bank on them in contrast to Flash, Green Arrow, etc. It's the same reason Batman and Superman go their own TV shows way back in the 1950s/1960s before other DC characters did.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 28, 2023 5:20:17 GMT
DC should just pause until the MCU's popularity wanes, as it mildly is already.
Introduce fresh Green Lantern & Batgirl movies or something to gain some fresh runway. Maybe towards 2025-2030.
They're already planning to thwart us with a new fangled map of awesomeness... & we're not ready for it. Joker, The Batman... were embraced, & will have nothing to do with the DCEU or whatever they're called today going forward.
Ppl will still pay to watch superhero movies... hell, f'n Batman & Robin made some money & it scuked during a lull in the gerne.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 28, 2023 5:41:44 GMT
I didn't say he intended to have Batman raped in his Batman movies. Two can split hairs, thisguy. The exact quote for anyone interested: I’m aware of the quote. The context is pretty important. ew.com/article/2008/07/17/watchmen-chat-director-zack-snyder/He was doing an interview for the Watchmen movie, and was talking about the differences between his movie and Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies. Evidently not since you said he was comparing it to TDK as opposed to Batman Begins. And the context, which you're dancing around, is a grown man flexing what an edgelord he is by bragging that Batman can get prison raped in his movie. Even if he was talking about The Owls of Ga'Hoole, it's a cringe quote and strong evidence he shouldn't have been given Batman.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 5:57:33 GMT
Evidently not since you said he was comparing it to TDK as opposed to Batman Begins. And the context, which you're dancing around, is a grown man flexing what an edgelord he is by bragging that Batman can get prison raped in his movie. Even if he was talking about The Owls of Ga'Hoole, it's a cringe quote and strong evidence he shouldn't have been given Batman. How am I dancing around the context? You’re the one who claimed he said he’d have Batman get raped in his movie to one-up Nolan, when that’s not what the quote was about. And yeah, that was an edge lord thing to say, but I’m not sure why that would prove he shouldn’t have been allowed to handle Batman. James Gunn has quite the history of being an edgelord too, but that hasn’t stopped WBD from giving him the keys to the kingdom.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Jan 28, 2023 6:34:16 GMT
Cause DC took the Marvel approach at humor and tried to keep up with them without any worldbuilding or continuity in the story.
Though I think they've done really well with DC Animated films lately. Darker and grittier stories is where they can be their original selves.
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Post by Lux on Jan 28, 2023 8:14:25 GMT
I didn't say he intended to have Batman raped in his Batman movies. Two can split hairs, thisguy. The exact quote for anyone interested: I’m aware of the quote. The context is pretty important. ew.com/article/2008/07/17/watchmen-chat-director-zack-snyder/He was doing an interview for the Watchmen movie, and was talking about the differences between his movie and Christopher Nolan’s Batman movies. Not sure what you're arguing about. Zack is clearly saying that his version of dark is a superhero getting buttfucked compared to Nolan's non therapist for life needed take. Now while Zack's man of steel was actually okay he's still a little weird.
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Post by Xcalatë on Jan 28, 2023 10:43:25 GMT
Bad writting and poor management.
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Post by stryker on Jan 28, 2023 11:44:15 GMT
The Flash was no less well known than Iron Man or Captain America. Many people were already familiar with him thanks to the Super Friends cartoon, and he also had a live action show in the early 90s. Plus, he was a major character in the Justice League cartoon from the 2000s. Yes but being well known isn't the same thing as "iconic", for instance plenty of people know about that awful "Batman and Robin" film, but I wouldn't really call that movie "iconic". If I were to compare the sales for Captain America shirts vs Flash shirts, which do you think is gonna be higher? Captain America fought the Nazis and is an American icon, Flash is...really fast at running? For the record book, my grandfather fought the Nazis, Captain America did not. Also, while Captain America might be a comic book icon, he is not an American icon. Just saying.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 28, 2023 13:47:49 GMT
Evidently not since you said he was comparing it to TDK as opposed to Batman Begins. And the context, which you're dancing around, is a grown man flexing what an edgelord he is by bragging that Batman can get prison raped in his movie. Even if he was talking about The Owls of Ga'Hoole, it's a cringe quote and strong evidence he shouldn't have been given Batman. How am I dancing around the context? You’re the one who claimed he said he’d have Batman get raped in his movie to one-up Nolan, when that’s not what the quote was about. And yeah, that was an edge lord thing to say, but I’m not sure why that would prove he shouldn’t have been allowed to handle Batman. James Gunn has quite the history of being an edgelord too, but that hasn’t stopped WBD from giving him the keys to the kingdom. Like I just told you, those weren't my words. I don't know why you're pulling a whataboutism with James Gunn to me, but he absolutely shouldn't be in charge of DC either and I shudder to think of what his Superman will be like.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 13:54:57 GMT
Yes but being well known isn't the same thing as "iconic", for instance plenty of people know about that awful "Batman and Robin" film, but I wouldn't really call that movie "iconic". If I were to compare the sales for Captain America shirts vs Flash shirts, which do you think is gonna be higher? Captain America fought the Nazis and is an American icon, Flash is...really fast at running? For the record book, my grandfather fought the Nazis, Captain America did not. Also, while Captain America might be a comic book icon, he is not an American icon. Just saying. "For the record book, my grandfather fought the Nazis, Captain America did not" Huh? There's actual comics of him punching Hitler: Now obviously he didn't LITERALLY fight the Nazis since he's a fictional character (if that's what you're getting at), but that's pretty much the same for all fictional characters (kinda in the same way John Wayne wasn't an actual cowboy, but everyone still thinks of him as one), so I dunno what you're getting at. And you're really gonna tell me with a straight face the guy whose costume was modeled after the American flag, was originally created to symbolize America during WWII, and whose name is literally CAPTAIN AMERICA isn't an American icon? Oh ok. I think you're really stretching it with that one...
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Post by Lux on Jan 28, 2023 14:20:05 GMT
For the record book, my grandfather fought the Nazis, Captain America did not. Also, while Captain America might be a comic book icon, he is not an American icon. Just saying. "For the record book, my grandfather fought the Nazis, Captain America did not" Huh? There's literally comics of him punching Hitler: Now obviously he didn't LITERALLY fight the Nazis since he's a fictional character (if that's what you're getting at), but that's pretty much the same for all fictional characters (kinda in the same way John Wayne wasn't an actual cowboy, but everyone still thinks of him as one), so I dunno what you're getting at. And you're really gonna tell me with a straight face the guy whose costume was modeled after the American flag, was originally created to symbolize America during WWII, and whose name is literally CAPTAIN AMERICA isn't an American icon? Oh ok. I think you're really stretching it with that one... Yeah he is talking about the literally part.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 15:55:07 GMT
How am I dancing around the context? You’re the one who claimed he said he’d have Batman get raped in his movie to one-up Nolan, when that’s not what the quote was about. And yeah, that was an edge lord thing to say, but I’m not sure why that would prove he shouldn’t have been allowed to handle Batman. James Gunn has quite the history of being an edgelord too, but that hasn’t stopped WBD from giving him the keys to the kingdom. Like I just told you, those weren't my words. I don't know why you're pulling a whataboutism with James Gunn to me, but he absolutely shouldn't be in charge of DC either and I shudder to think of what his Superman will be like. These were your exact words. I was simply pointing out how that wasn’t actually what he said.
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Post by Cat on Jan 28, 2023 17:24:14 GMT
Hard to tell where it begins and ends. Man of Steel was okay, albeit sterile, but it had moments within. Batman v Superman in my opinion was awful. Suicide Squad was fine when I saw it in theater but it didn't hold up, and its biggest flaws overshadowed it. Most specifically I'm thinking of a poorly developed villain. Wonder Woman is the only one who felt fun, and I maintain Gal Gadot is one of the best casting choices of the decade. Then the Justice League movie, imo, was bad. Better than Batman v Superman, but anticlimactic.
I only like Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman. I could happily never watch the others again. Wonder Woman was the first to show any warmth, then the other two brought the fun. All 3 qualities are lacking from the others.
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Post by Lux on Jan 28, 2023 17:47:23 GMT
Hard to tell where it begins and ends. Man of Steel was okay, albeit sterile, but it had moments within. Batman v Superman in my opinion was awful. Suicide Squad was fine when I saw it in theater but it didn't hold up, and its biggest flaws overshadowed it. Most specifically I'm thinking of a poorly developed villain. Wonder Woman is the only one who felt fun, and I maintain Gal Gadot is one of the best casting choices of the decade. Then the Justice League movie, imo, was bad. Better than Batman v Superman, but anticlimactic.
I only like Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman. I could happily never watch the others again. Wonder Woman was the first to show any warmth, then the other two brought the fun. All 3 qualities are lacking from the others. Wonder Woman watching her boyfriend blown up in a plane and an entire village including children poisoned to death by acid felt fun to you?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 28, 2023 17:52:43 GMT
Like I just told you, those weren't my words. I don't know why you're pulling a whataboutism with James Gunn to me, but he absolutely shouldn't be in charge of DC either and I shudder to think of what his Superman will be like. These were your exact words. I was simply pointing out how that wasn’t actually what he said. Literally nowhere in that quote did I say he intended to do it in his Batman movies. I admire your neverending determination to protect Snyder's word, though I wish you'd extend me the same courtesy.
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Post by Cat on Jan 28, 2023 17:53:02 GMT
Hard to tell where it begins and ends. Man of Steel was okay, albeit sterile, but it had moments within. Batman v Superman in my opinion was awful. Suicide Squad was fine when I saw it in theater but it didn't hold up, and its biggest flaws overshadowed it. Most specifically I'm thinking of a poorly developed villain. Wonder Woman is the only one who felt fun, and I maintain Gal Gadot is one of the best casting choices of the decade. Then the Justice League movie, imo, was bad. Better than Batman v Superman, but anticlimactic.
I only like Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman. I could happily never watch the others again. Wonder Woman was the first to show any warmth, then the other two brought the fun. All 3 qualities are lacking from the others. Wonder Woman watching her boyfriend blown up in a plane and an entire village including children poisoned to death by acid felt fun to you? Her scream was hilarious. That scream I thought was Gal Gadot trying to act and it almost slayed me. And yes, the village was fun because Wonder Woman ran into against all the bullets and kicked ass. It's actually nice to watch superheroes do things I would do, or wish I could do.
The only thing Henry Cavil as Superman did that I would do was impale that asshole's truck through a log in MOS.
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