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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 20:54:53 GMT
These were your exact words. I was simply pointing out how that wasn’t actually what he said. Literally nowhere in that quote did I say he intended to do it in his Batman movies. I admire your neverending determination to protect Snyder's word, though I wish you'd extend me the same courtesy. I’m not “protecting” anything. You made a statement that came across as incorrect, so I figured I would correct it. I have no clue why you think just because I don’t like to paint Snyder in the worst conceivable light whenever possible, it means I’m some fanboy. Also, if that’s not what you were saying, then your wording was a bit confusing.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 28, 2023 21:18:44 GMT
Literally nowhere in that quote did I say he intended to do it in his Batman movies. I admire your neverending determination to protect Snyder's word, though I wish you'd extend me the same courtesy. I’m not “protecting” anything. You made a statement that came across as incorrect, so I figured I would correct it. I have no clue why you think just because I don’t like to paint Snyder in the worst conceivable light whenever possible, it means I’m some fanboy. Also, if that’s not what you were saying, then your wording was a bit confusing. I think my wording was fine. I also didn't call you a Snyder fanboy. Nor have I demonstrated any bias toward James Gunn. Maybe take it easy with the assumptions and inferences? As for Snyder's light, he won me over a bit when he trolled Grifts and Fakers and blamed them for hate crimes. Still doesn't make him the right guy to lead DC, though.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jan 28, 2023 23:11:31 GMT
I’m not “protecting” anything. You made a statement that came across as incorrect, so I figured I would correct it. I have no clue why you think just because I don’t like to paint Snyder in the worst conceivable light whenever possible, it means I’m some fanboy. Also, if that’s not what you were saying, then your wording was a bit confusing. I think my wording was fine. I also didn't call you a Snyder fanboy. Nor have I demonstrated any bias toward James Gunn. Maybe take it easy with the assumptions and inferences? As for Snyder's light, he won me over a bit when he trolled Grifts and Fakers and blamed them for hate crimes. Still doesn't make him the right guy to lead DC, though. I wasn’t trying to suggest you personally have a bias towards James Gunn. I brought up Gunn because a lot of people on the Internet seem to think he’s the perfect choice to headline DC Studios. And I fully agree that Snyder wasn’t the right guy to lead DC. No argument there.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 29, 2023 1:30:15 GMT
Did people watch a different franchise than I did?
Suicide Squad isn’t pretentious. It’s ridiculously dumb and trivialized.
Snyder absolutely had a long term vision and plan. It was blatantly obvious from BvS, and even hinted at in MoS. Maybe you didn’t like it, but he had a plan.
I personally think it failed because it was hinged on being the anti-MCU. It was dark, gritty, and stylish. Little humor and longer movies made audiences decide that seeing a colorful, already-established MCU was much more appealing.
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 29, 2023 2:28:38 GMT
Did people watch a different franchise than I did? Suicide Squad isn’t pretentious. It’s ridiculously dumb and trivialized. Snyder absolutely had a long term vision and plan. It was blatantly obvious from BvS, and even hinted at in MoS. Maybe you didn’t like it, but he had a plan.I personally think it failed because it was hinged on being the anti-MCU. It was dark, gritty, and stylish. Little humor and longer movies made audiences decide that seeing a colorful, already-established MCU was much more appealing. Snyder definitely had a plan to do a Justice League trilogy. What happened afterwards is the heads of DC (i.e. Walter Hamada) decided to do standalone films before backtracking to do a shared universe again. By that point, it was 2021 and then Discovery Inc. acquired Warner Bros. a year later and the rest is history. There was definitely a lack of strategic management and vision.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 29, 2023 8:40:46 GMT
Did people watch a different franchise than I did? Suicide Squad isn’t pretentious. It’s ridiculously dumb and trivialized. Snyder absolutely had a long term vision and plan. It was blatantly obvious from BvS, and even hinted at in MoS. Maybe you didn’t like it, but he had a plan.I personally think it failed because it was hinged on being the anti-MCU. It was dark, gritty, and stylish. Little humor and longer movies made audiences decide that seeing a colorful, already-established MCU was much more appealing. Snyder definitely had a plan to do a Justice League trilogy. What happened afterwards is the heads of DC (i.e. Walter Hamada) decided to do standalone films before backtracking to do a shared universe again. By that point, it was 2021 and then Discovery Inc. acquired Warner Bros. a year later and the rest is history. There was definitely a lack of strategic management and vision. Agreed. The studio bought him and never truly trusted him. I’m not saying Snyder was the answer (because I wouldn’t have trusted him to begin and end a franchise), but he had a vision that the studio hired him for and fired him less than halfway through it. And it blew back in WB’s face when the Snyder Cut was a huge hit (71% critics, 93% audience on RT, and 8.0 on IMDb). His vision was cut off. You can’t hire someone to do 50% of the job and then be surprised when the outcome isn’t great. Snyder’s JL implies that people wanted to see it all play out, even if they didn’t love every move he made. Now it’s all gone and feels meaningless.
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Post by mgmarshall on Jan 29, 2023 12:30:29 GMT
A majority of the movies stunk on ice.
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 29, 2023 13:16:39 GMT
Poor product (for the most part). Sure there was some stuff that I liked (Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, WW), but there was more bad than good. It could have survived a few bad movies, but there was just too much shit to recover from.
There was no cohesion. The movies don't all have to be connected - I am not a believer in that - but there needs to be some semblance they take place in the same universe. Little stuff like not having Cavill or Gadot do their cameos in Shazam and Peacemaker. Seriously? You throw in body doubles and don't show their faces? That's beyond second rate. It's cheap, tacky, and shows a lack of organization.
Killing Superman so soon just didn't work. There was no tension because they didn't have a Justice League movie yet, so you knew he'd be back.
Batman seemed so useless in Justice League. I'm not sure he works in that world. He's too normal. I;ve read comics and seen cartoons where I am ok with it, but I'm not sure it can be pulled off live action. Only chance they have is more gadgets and tech. He has this suit he wears to fight Superman, but never uses it again when other metahumans show up?
The DCEU movies also look bad. Fake. If you could only improve 1 thing, effects alone would make a big difference. Black Adam or Superman moving super fast just looked fake. There's no tension when one of them pushes someone with no effort and they go flying through a building. No weight (physically and emotionally) to stuff like that.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 31, 2023 17:19:19 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jan 31, 2023 17:46:36 GMT
Did it fail?
MoS/BvS/JL told a complete story.
The spinoffs, like WW, AM, SS, and Shazam were quite successful at the box office.
Doesn't really look like a failure at all.
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Post by Lux on Jan 31, 2023 17:53:07 GMT
Poor product (for the most part). Sure there was some stuff that I liked (Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, WW), but there was more bad than good. It could have survived a few bad movies, but there was just too much shit to recover from. There was no cohesion. The movies don't all have to be connected - I am not a believer in that - but there needs to be some semblance they take place in the same universe. Little stuff like not having Cavill or Gadot do their cameos in Shazam and Peacemaker. Seriously? You throw in body doubles and don't show their faces? That's beyond second rate. It's cheap, tacky, and shows a lack of organization. Killing Superman so soon just didn't work. There was no tension because they didn't have a Justice League movie yet, so you knew he'd be back. Batman seemed so useless in Justice League. I'm not sure he works in that world. He's too normal. I;ve read comics and seen cartoons where I am ok with it, but I'm not sure it can be pulled off live action. Only chance they have is more gadgets and tech. He has this suit he wears to fight Superman, but never uses it again when other metahumans show up? The DCEU movies also look bad. Fake. If you could only improve 1 thing, effects alone would make a big difference. Black Adam or Superman moving super fast just looked fake. There's no tension when one of them pushes someone with no effort and they go flying through a building. No weight (physically and emotionally) to stuff like that. Those movies you listed that you liked from DC were mediocre to be honest and did nothing for DC. Batman and Superman and leave it at that. Whenever Viola Davis showed up in Suicide Squad or the sequel she instantly ruined those movies.
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Post by kuatorises on Jan 31, 2023 18:32:53 GMT
Poor product (for the most part). Sure there was some stuff that I liked (Birds of Prey, The Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, WW), but there was more bad than good. It could have survived a few bad movies, but there was just too much shit to recover from. There was no cohesion. The movies don't all have to be connected - I am not a believer in that - but there needs to be some semblance they take place in the same universe. Little stuff like not having Cavill or Gadot do their cameos in Shazam and Peacemaker. Seriously? You throw in body doubles and don't show their faces? That's beyond second rate. It's cheap, tacky, and shows a lack of organization. Killing Superman so soon just didn't work. There was no tension because they didn't have a Justice League movie yet, so you knew he'd be back. Batman seemed so useless in Justice League. I'm not sure he works in that world. He's too normal. I;ve read comics and seen cartoons where I am ok with it, but I'm not sure it can be pulled off live action. Only chance they have is more gadgets and tech. He has this suit he wears to fight Superman, but never uses it again when other metahumans show up? The DCEU movies also look bad. Fake. If you could only improve 1 thing, effects alone would make a big difference. Black Adam or Superman moving super fast just looked fake. There's no tension when one of them pushes someone with no effort and they go flying through a building. No weight (physically and emotionally) to stuff like that. Those movies you listed that you liked from DC were mediocre to be honest and did nothing for DC. Batman and Superman and leave it at that. Whenever Viola Davis showed up in Suicide Squad or the sequel she instantly ruined those movies. Man of Steel 56% and 75%
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 29% and 63%
Justice League 39% and 68%
Birds of Prey 78% and 78%
The Suicide Squad 90% and 82%
Peacemaker 94% and 89%
Sorry, what were you saying?
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Post by Lux on Jan 31, 2023 18:38:55 GMT
Those movies you listed that you liked from DC were mediocre to be honest and did nothing for DC. Batman and Superman and leave it at that. Whenever Viola Davis showed up in Suicide Squad or the sequel she instantly ruined those movies. Man of Steel 56% and 75%
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 29% and 63%
Justice League 39% and 68%
Birds of Prey 78% and 78%
The Suicide Squad 90% and 82%
Peacemaker 94% and 89%
Sorry, what were you saying?
Said they were mediocre.
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