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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 27, 2023 23:43:29 GMT
There is no evidence whatsoever for any of the following: Sasquatch A flood that killed all but a handful of humans. Atlantis Wrong. First off... Only "Noah's Flood" didn't happen... There was a great cataclysm, believed to be a comet impact or solar flare, at the end of the last ice age, that caused rapid glacier melting resulting in numerous storms and World Wide flooding, and hundreds of local floods happened all at the same time across the planet, and people just thought it was one flood from one storm. There's geological evidence in the soil horizons, and ancient communities under the sea when they would have been above sea levels during the last ice age. As for the rest... Either you haven't paid any attention to the evidence that is being presented, or you don't want to accept any of it as being authentic. And even when the evidence is overwhelming, and experts & officials say things, LIKE:... UFOs are real... People still deny it... I'm still waiting for deniers of that evidence, to explain what kind of evidence it will take for people to believe in UFOs... and they never say anything. And so, we just remain stuck in arguing circles like this:... Blurry Photo? Need a HQ Photo... HQ photo? It's faked... So what then? (Silence)... I've come to truly believe that with most deniers, if they were abducted by Aliens and thoroughly anal probed, they still wouldn't admit to believing in it. Again... So what will it take? Let's just say, that some of us believe, and some of us don't, and let's all move on shall we...
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Post by mystery on Jan 27, 2023 23:43:32 GMT
Some of us have our own evidence and reasons for believing. But do not expect us to take that evidence or your reasons seriously unless you can back them up. I can have reasons for thinking the Marvel Cinematic Universe is real. As far as I'm concerned, people can believe or disbelieve whatever they wish. We all have our own paths to take and lessons to learn, and I respect that.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 27, 2023 23:45:52 GMT
Yup. I was an atheist during my college years. Life just got too strange for me to keep playing the skeptic. Okay. If you need it to keep you steady. Do you have dogmatic faith or a more free-form spirituality?
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Post by mystery on Jan 27, 2023 23:50:55 GMT
Yup. I was an atheist during my college years. Life just got too strange for me to keep playing the skeptic. Okay. If you need it to keep you steady. Do you have dogmatic faith or a more free-form spirituality? As I've said before, my spirituality is based on my own experiences and philosophies. It's the product of all the lessons learned on my own life journey, both spiritual and mundane. Nothing is based on faith, but rather things I've seen and experienced for myself.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 27, 2023 23:54:18 GMT
Okay. If you need it to keep you steady. Do you have dogmatic faith or a more free-form spirituality? As I've said before, my spirituality is based on my own experiences and philosophies. It's the product of all the lessons learned on my own life journey, both spiritual and mundane. Nothing is based on faith, but rather things I've seen and experienced for myself.Can you share an example?
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Post by mystery on Jan 28, 2023 1:13:14 GMT
As I've said before, my spirituality is based on my own experiences and philosophies. It's the product of all the lessons learned on my own life journey, both spiritual and mundane. Nothing is based on faith, but rather things I've seen and experienced for myself.Can you share an example? I could, but I'm not sure if I should. I don't even talk about this stuff in the real world. I think I've already posted too much on this board about my premonitions, and that's still only the tip of the iceberg. But, after a fair amount of deliberation, I guess I'll give you one story. I think I've already posted this before, anyway. I was on a slow boat in Peru, and I was getting bored, so I decided to go into ecstasy. It's very simple, just close my eyes and focus, and it looks like I'm resting. It feels like you're glowing, like an electric current is running through you from head to toe. We arrived at the dock, and I got off the boat, but then this lady ran after me and stopped me. She looked at me with wide eyed wonder, and said that she saw the Light come down, and that God was in me. Everyone was standing there, staring at me, and I was obviously shocked and horrified, and humiliated beyond words. She grabbed my hands and started praying like I was some sort of saint, so I told her I really had to go, and then I turned around and ran away. Needless to say, I don't do that in public anymore. I've had a lot of experiences that I've never told a soul. Some of us don't want attention, and it's just a personal thing. I do understand the appeal of atheism, because there is absolutely some comfort in thinking everything in the world is easily explained and logical, doesn't challenge our understanding of reality. If that works for you, that's great. But that's not my experience. Life can be amazingly weird sometimes.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2023 1:31:42 GMT
Can you share an example? I could, but I'm not sure if I should. I don't even talk about this stuff in the real world. I think I've already posted too much on this board about my premonitions, and that's still only the tip of the iceberg. But, after a fair amount of deliberation, I guess I'll give you one story. I think I've already posted this before, anyway. I was on a slow boat in Peru, and I was getting bored, so I decided to go into ecstasy. It's very simple, just close my eyes and focus, and it looks like I'm resting. It feels like you're glowing, like an electric current is running through you from head to toe. We arrived at the dock, and I got off the boat, but then this lady ran after me and stopped me. She looked at me with wide eyed wonder, and said that she saw the Light come down, and that God was in me. Everyone was standing there, staring at me, and I was obviously shocked and horrified, and humiliated beyond words. She grabbed my hands and started praying like I was some sort of saint, so I told her I really had to go, and then I turned around and ran away. Needless to say, I don't do that in public anymore. I've had a lot of experiences that I've never told a soul. Some of us don't want attention, and it's just a personal thing. I do understand the appeal of atheism, because there is absolutely some comfort in thinking everything in the world is easily explained and logical, doesn't challenge our understanding of reality. If that works for you, that's great. But that's not my experience. Life can be amazingly weird sometimes. Just one thing: Do you really believe that atheists think that everything in the world is easily explained and logical, and doesn't challenge our understanding of reality?
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Post by mystery on Jan 28, 2023 1:43:40 GMT
I could, but I'm not sure if I should. I don't even talk about this stuff in the real world. I think I've already posted too much on this board about my premonitions, and that's still only the tip of the iceberg. But, after a fair amount of deliberation, I guess I'll give you one story. I think I've already posted this before, anyway. I was on a slow boat in Peru, and I was getting bored, so I decided to go into ecstasy. It's very simple, just close my eyes and focus, and it looks like I'm resting. It feels like you're glowing, like an electric current is running through you from head to toe. We arrived at the dock, and I got off the boat, but then this lady ran after me and stopped me. She looked at me with wide eyed wonder, and said that she saw the Light come down, and that God was in me. Everyone was standing there, staring at me, and I was obviously shocked and horrified, and humiliated beyond words. She grabbed my hands and started praying like I was some sort of saint, so I told her I really had to go, and then I turned around and ran away. Needless to say, I don't do that in public anymore. I've had a lot of experiences that I've never told a soul. Some of us don't want attention, and it's just a personal thing. I do understand the appeal of atheism, because there is absolutely some comfort in thinking everything in the world is easily explained and logical, doesn't challenge our understanding of reality. If that works for you, that's great. But that's not my experience. Life can be amazingly weird sometimes. Just one thing:Â Do you really believe that atheists think that everything in the world is easily explained and logical, and doesn't challenge our understanding of reality? I think a lot of them find it comforting to simply ignore and dismiss things as coincidence. I tried to do that with my premonitions, because they didn't make sense within my worldview. I certainly won't say that all atheists do that. You're all individuals, of course.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2023 1:48:56 GMT
Just one thing: Do you really believe that atheists think that everything in the world is easily explained and logical, and doesn't challenge our understanding of reality? I think a lot of them find it comforting to simply ignore and dismiss things as coincidence. I tried to do that with my premonitions, because they didn't make sense within my worldview. I certainly won't say that all atheists do that. You're all individuals, of course. You won't say that all atheists do that? I would say that not enough atheists do that to make your generalization even somewhat true.
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Post by mystery on Jan 28, 2023 1:55:01 GMT
I think a lot of them find it comforting to simply ignore and dismiss things as coincidence. I tried to do that with my premonitions, because they didn't make sense within my worldview. I certainly won't say that all atheists do that. You're all individuals, of course. You won't say that all atheists do that? I would say that not enough atheists do that to even make your generalization even somewhat true. If you say so. I don't really care to argue the point.
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2023 2:02:58 GMT
You won't say that all atheists do that? I would say that not enough atheists do that to even make your generalization even somewhat true. If you say so. I don't really care to argue the point. You don't have to argue the point. But do you still stand by the point?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 2:48:15 GMT
Yes, but if you can't detect "it" in anyways (smell, touch, hear, DNA testing, carbon dating, chemical testing, radiation emissions, electromagnetic radiation, soundwave detection, sonar waves, heat detection, brain scans) then "it" in all likelihood probably doesn't exist and can be disregarded until evidence is presented. Otherwise you might as well believe in all sorts of riddiculous unfalisifiable hypotheses (alien origin theory, virtual simulation theory, reincarnation). What argument are you trying to make?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 3:03:43 GMT
There is no evidence whatsoever for any of the following: Sasquatch A flood that killed all but a handful of humans. Atlantis Wrong. First off... Only "Noah's Flood" didn't happen... There was a great cataclysm, believed to be a comet impact or solar flare, at the end of the last ice age, that caused rapid glacier melting resulting in numerous storms and World Wide flooding, and hundreds of local floods happened all at the same time across the planet, and people just thought it was one flood from one storm. There's geological evidence in the soil horizons, and ancient communities under the sea when they would have been above sea levels during the last ice age. As for the rest... Either you haven't paid any attention to the evidence that is being presented, or you don't want to accept any of it as being authentic. And even when the evidence is overwhelming, and experts & officials say things, LIKE:... UFOs are real... People still deny it... I'm still waiting for deniers of that evidence, to explain what kind of evidence it will take for people to believe in UFOs... and they never say anything. And so, we just remain stuck in arguing circles like this:... Blurry Photo? Need a HQ Photo... HQ photo? It's faked... So what then? (Silence)... I've come to truly believe that with most deniers, if they were abducted by Aliens and thoroughly anal probed, they still wouldn't admit to believing in it. Again... So what will it take? Let's just say, that some of us believe, and some of us don't, and let's all move on shall we... Well actually I do believe in UFOs but that's because the word UFO simply means "unidentified flying object", which just means it's an object in the sky that hasn't been identified, which that does ocassionally happen (people see an object in the sky that they can't immediatly identify, therefore it technically means "UFO", even though it could just be a weather balloon or some weird looking plane). But I guess what you REALLY meant was space alien, which uh yeah sorry to break this to you, but there's no actual evidence. And this is coming from someone that WANTS space aliens to be real, as a sci-fi concept I've always been fascinated by them. But the rational side of me has to accept there's no actual credible evidence for them. "I'm still waiting for deniers of that evidence, to explain what kind of evidence it will take for people to believe in UFOs... and they never say anything." Probably the same type of evidence it would take for you to believe in leprechauns. Either an actual specimen caputured and observed by scientists, or at the very least some sort of credible remnants (corpse, skeleton or DNA of something that has never been documented in the entire history of biological evolution)
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Post by Sarge on Jan 28, 2023 3:03:45 GMT
And where there is no evidence, there is probably no phenomenon. Some of us have our own evidence and reasons for believing. Yeah, you were indoctrinated from birth with the idea that the supernatural is rational. It's why you believed in the Easter Bunny when you were five.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 28, 2023 3:08:39 GMT
And if you can't detect it in any other way, and if it is a muddled, incoherent concept to begin with, and if there are no other reasons to think it exists, it probably doesn't exist. Wrong. Some things defy the laws of physics. Such as?
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 28, 2023 3:58:53 GMT
Just one thing: Do you really believe that atheists think that everything in the world is easily explained and logical, and doesn't challenge our understanding of reality? I think a lot of them find it comforting to simply ignore and dismiss things as coincidence. I tried to do that with my premonitions, because they didn't make sense within my worldview. I certainly won't say that all atheists do that. You're all individuals, of course. Thank you for sharing that, but you can’t force people to see or feel what you do. You’ve had odd, mystical experiences in your life, but you’re not the only one and a lot of those who have had them are atheists. I’m no trained dancer, but it’s weird that when I dance in public like at parties or street dances, people always compliment me. I’ve even had strangers come up to me and give me shit. I actually won a samba contest once at Brazilian Carnival festival. I asked a Latino how that happened and she said it was my joy of life coming out. You probably think I’m lying, but I’m not. So, there’s a grand spirit of joy in me or I’m just a helluva natural dancer.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 28, 2023 4:18:41 GMT
There is no evidence whatsoever for any of the following: Sasquatch A flood that killed all but a handful of humans. Atlantis Wrong. First off... Only "Noah's Flood" didn't happen... There was a great cataclysm, believed to be a comet impact or solar flare, at the end of the last ice age, that caused rapid glacier melting resulting in numerous storms and World Wide flooding, and hundreds of local floods happened all at the same time across the planet, and people just thought it was one flood from one storm. There's geological evidence in the soil horizons, and ancient communities under the sea when they would have been above sea levels during the last ice age. As for the rest... Either you haven't paid any attention to the evidence that is being presented, or you don't want to accept any of it as being authentic. And even when the evidence is overwhelming, and experts & officials say things, LIKE:... UFOs are real... People still deny it... I'm still waiting for deniers of that evidence, to explain what kind of evidence it will take for people to believe in UFOs... and they never say anything. And so, we just remain stuck in arguing circles like this:... Blurry Photo? Need a HQ Photo... HQ photo? It's faked... So what then? (Silence)... I've come to truly believe that with most deniers, if they were abducted by Aliens and thoroughly anal probed, they still wouldn't admit to believing in it. Again... So what will it take? Let's just say, that some of us believe, and some of us don't, and let's all move on shall we... There is no proof some guy named specifically Noah, who in real life survived a terrible climate event that flooded the entire globe by building a giant boat with animals in it and everything else died because Yahweh ordered it.
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 28, 2023 11:59:21 GMT
doesn't mean it doesn't exist. That’s true. Similarly, just because some claim that an invisible thing exists, doesn’t mean it does!
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Post by captainbryce on Jan 28, 2023 12:01:56 GMT
And if you can't detect it in any other way, and if it is a muddled, incoherent concept to begin with, and if there are no other reasons to think it exists, it probably doesn't exist. Wrong. Some things defy the laws of physics. Really? How do you know what? What is your evidence? Name a single thing that is known to violate physics? Because if all you can do is point back to your god claim - then that would be a begging the question fallacy (as you’ve not yet established that such a god exists). So demonstrate that anything can violate the laws of physics!
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Post by Isapop on Jan 28, 2023 14:06:50 GMT
But, after a fair amount of deliberation, I guess I'll give you one story. I think I've already posted this before, anyway. I was on a slow boat in Peru, and I was getting bored, so I decided to go into ecstasy. It's very simple, just close my eyes and focus, and it looks like I'm resting. It feels like you're glowing, like an electric current is running through you from head to toe. We arrived at the dock, and I got off the boat, but then this lady ran after me and stopped me. She looked at me with wide eyed wonder, and said that she saw the Light come down, and that God was in me. Everyone was standing there, staring at me, and I was obviously shocked and horrified, and humiliated beyond words. She grabbed my hands and started praying like I was some sort of saint, so I told her I really had to go, and then I turned around and ran away. Needless to say, I don't do that in public anymore. I've had a lot of experiences that I've never told a soul. Some of us don't want attention, and it's just a personal thing. I do understand the appeal of atheism, because there is absolutely some comfort in thinking everything in the world is easily explained and logical, doesn't challenge our understanding of reality. If that works for you, that's great. But that's not my experience. Life can be amazingly weird sometimes. You seem to think that only atheists would look upon this tale of maybe being touched by God with skepticism. I'll bet you that most theists would also.
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