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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 9:33:54 GMT
I was reading an interview in a Roman Catholic publication the other day with a Catholic who classifies himself as a Christian Buddhist. And several people apparently do. Christian being the noun, and Buddhist being an adjective. I know there's considerable cross over between the teachings of Christ and Buddha, but had never heard of double belonging before.  |
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Post by clusium on Jan 29, 2023 13:02:41 GMT
I was reading an interview in a Roman Catholic publication the other day with a Catholic who classifies himself as a Christian Buddhist. And several people apparently do. Christian being the noun, and Buddhist being an adjective. I know there's considerable cross over between the teachings of Christ and Buddha, but had never heard of double belonging before. Well, with Christians, we do not belong to more than one religion, but, in the case of Buddhists, they usually are, because Buddhism is not a monotheistic religion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2023 15:41:15 GMT
I was reading an interview in a Roman Catholic publication the other day with a Catholic who classifies himself as a Christian Buddhist. And several people apparently do. Christian being the noun, and Buddhist being an adjective. I know there's considerable cross over between the teachings of Christ and Buddha, but had never heard of double belonging before. Well, with Christians, we do not belong to more than one religion We? That's your personal idea on what constitutes a Christian... Double belonging is a thing for some Catholics. That's what the article was about. You know the Roman Catholic Church doesn't condemn Voodoo right?... Some Catholics in places practice both. Voodoo ritual aspects are incorporated in to Catholic Mass in some Churches. I do like you, but you do sometimes come across more like an American evangelical fundo rather than a Roman Catholic sometimes. Mass is celebrated differently in every parish in the world... Who are you to say that your way is correct? |
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Post by Sarge on Jan 29, 2023 20:43:02 GMT
I was reading an interview in a Roman Catholic publication the other day with a Catholic who classifies himself as a Christian Buddhist. And several people apparently do. My wife is Catholic and Buddhist. I don't know if she would call herself that, but she goes to cathedral and temple, and loosely practices both. I am neither of those, but many tell me my outlook and approach to life is Zen-like. I've never studied Buddhism so I can only infer what that means. |
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Post by Sarge on Jan 29, 2023 20:49:08 GMT
Well, with Christians, we do not belong to more than one religion... Uh, I have some shocking news for you. a) Catholics are a sect of Christianity. b) There are many sects of Christianity, seven major, hundreds of minor. c) Christianity is a sect of Abrahamic religion. d) Abrahamic religions are polytheistic but only worship one god. e) Abrahamic religions are a derivation of older religions that worshipped a sky god(s), this is speculative based on linguistics, but probably true. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 29, 2023 22:53:35 GMT
Uhm...I have even far more shocking news for you, Sir: I already know this. Do you want to know how I already knew: Because I AM Catholic!!!!  Again, already knew this. Christianity is divided into 3 major denominations: Catholic, Protestant, & Orthodox. Orthodoxy is divided by geography. Protestant is divided into thousands of sects, each based upon person interpretation of Biblical teaching. Christianity belongs to the Family of Abrahamic religions. There are 4 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Baha'i. Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. They worship Only One True God. All others are considered to be false. Perhaps, but, it does not negate the fact that Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 29, 2023 23:20:21 GMT
The Buddha was a human being who expressed a path that’s not opposed to Christianity, per se. He is worshipped as a saint and avatar of the divine.  |
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 30, 2023 1:07:49 GMT
I can imagine a Catholic taking up elements of Buddhism, but I would have thought that as a whole Buddhism is not compatible with Catholicism. How do you square salvation being everlasting life achieved through accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour with salvation being a personal realisation that the self does not exist?
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Post by Sarge on Jan 30, 2023 8:02:24 GMT
Uhm...I have even far more shocking news for you, Sir: I already know this. Do you want to know how I already knew: Because I AM Catholic!!!! Again, already knew this. Christianity is divided into 3 major denominations: Catholic, Protestant, & Orthodox. Orthodoxy is divided by geography. Protestant is divided into thousands of sects, each based upon person interpretation of Biblical teaching. Christianity belongs to the Family of Abrahamic religions. There are 4 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Baha'i. Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. They worship Only One True God. All others are considered to be false. Perhaps, but, it does not negate the fact that Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. Abrahamic religions are polytheistic, they believed more than one god existed, but worshipped Yahweh only. Polytheism doesn't require worship of more than one god, only the belief that more than one god exists. Read your Old Testament. It's in plain sight, in the ten commandments and other places. Christianity has the Trinity which requires philosophical gymnastics to shoehorn into monotheism. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 30, 2023 11:55:39 GMT
I can imagine a Catholic taking up elements of Buddhism, but I would have thought that as a whole Buddhism is not compatible with Catholicism. How do you square salvation being everlasting life achieved through accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour with salvation being a personal realisation that the self does not exist? The thing about Buddhism is you can modify it to fit any other religion or philosophy. But it is a quietist type faith and the church has been generally opposed to quietism. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 30, 2023 15:24:43 GMT
Uhm...I have even far more shocking news for you, Sir: I already know this. Do you want to know how I already knew: Because I AM Catholic!!!! Again, already knew this. Christianity is divided into 3 major denominations: Catholic, Protestant, & Orthodox. Orthodoxy is divided by geography. Protestant is divided into thousands of sects, each based upon person interpretation of Biblical teaching. Christianity belongs to the Family of Abrahamic religions. There are 4 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Baha'i. Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. They worship Only One True God. All others are considered to be false. Perhaps, but, it does not negate the fact that Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. Abrahamic religions are polytheistic, they believed more than one god existed, but worshipped Yahweh only. Polytheism doesn't require worship of more than one god, only the belief that more than one god exists. Read your Old Testament. It's in plain sight, in the ten commandments and other places. Christianity has the Trinity which requires philosophical gymnastics to shoehorn into monotheism. They acknowledge the Existence Of Only One True God, Who Alone Is Worthy of worship. This God Created absolutely everything in the universe, & Sustains it, hence the reason He Alone Is Worthy of worship. The Trinity acknowledges the Greatness & Unlimited Power Of Almighty God, as Only HE Can Be More than One Person, all the while Being One True God. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 30, 2023 15:26:58 GMT
I can imagine a Catholic taking up elements of Buddhism, but I would have thought that as a whole Buddhism is not compatible with Catholicism. How do you square salvation being everlasting life achieved through accepting Jesus Christ as your saviour with salvation being a personal realisation that the self does not exist? The thing about Buddhism is you can modify it to fit any other religion or philosophy. But it is a quietist type faith and the church has been generally opposed to quietism.  |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 30, 2023 15:34:04 GMT
The thing about Buddhism is you can modify it to fit any other religion or philosophy. But it is a quietist type faith and the church has been generally opposed to quietism. Like Quakerism. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 30, 2023 15:46:32 GMT
Still not understanding.... |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 30, 2023 15:51:26 GMT
Still not understanding.... From wikipedia Quietism is the name given (especially in Roman Catholic theology) to a set of contemplative practices that rose in popularity in France, Italy, and Spain during the late 1670s and 1680s, particularly associated with the writings of the Spanish mystic Miguel de Molinos (and subsequently François Malaval and Madame Guyon), and which were condemned as heresy by Pope Innocent XI in the papal bull Coelestis Pastor of 1687. The "Quietist" heresy was seen by critics to consist of wrongly elevating "contemplation" over "meditation", intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and interior passivity over pious action in an account of mystical prayer, spiritual growth and union with God (one in which, the accusation ran, there existed the possibility of achieving a sinless state and union with the Christian Godhead). |
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 30, 2023 15:56:26 GMT
The thing about Buddhism is you can modify it to fit any other religion or philosophy. So people say, but it would need to be a pretty hefty modification to the extent it's debatable how much one would really be a Buddhist anymore as opposed to merely having a few Buddhist influences. I'm not even sure what someone committed to the prospect of the oblivion of Nirvana would see in Jesus's promise of eternal life. Wouldn't that be a bad thing from a Buddhist perspective? And how could someone who believes all suffering comes from desire nod along to Paul saying hope is a key virtue? How can one hope when one desires nothing? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 30, 2023 16:08:52 GMT
The thing about Buddhism is you can modify it to fit any other religion or philosophy. So people say, but it would need to be a pretty hefty modification to the extent it's debatable how much one would really be a Buddhist anymore as opposed to merely having a few Buddhist influences. I'm not even sure what someone committed to the prospect of the oblivion of Nirvana would see in Jesus's promise of eternal life. Wouldn't that be a bad thing from a Buddhist perspective? And how could someone who believes all suffering comes from desire nod along to Paul saying hope is a key virtue? How can one hope when one desires nothing? The point is to obtained bliss in the Afterlife. “Theoretically,” the saved in heaven will not be able to suffer in anyway. You can’t feel sad, lonely or melancholy. You can’t miss or mourn your loved ones who do not make it into paradise. That means anyone left out, you will not care anymore about them. You may still love them, but knowing they will suffer for all eternity will not affect your infinite joy. So, my “theory” is, the heavenly state of perfection will be a semi-conscious or possibly totally unconscious eternity of gazing in unison with the multitude upon the Godhead with no human thought possible. This could be a Nirvana-like state. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 30, 2023 16:19:05 GMT
Still not understanding.... From wikipedia Quietism is the name given (especially in Roman Catholic theology) to a set of contemplative practices that rose in popularity in France, Italy, and Spain during the late 1670s and 1680s, particularly associated with the writings of the Spanish mystic Miguel de Molinos (and subsequently François Malaval and Madame Guyon), and which were condemned as heresy by Pope Innocent XI in the papal bull Coelestis Pastor of 1687. The "Quietist" heresy was seen by critics to consist of wrongly elevating "contemplation" over "meditation", intellectual stillness over vocal prayer, and interior passivity over pious action in an account of mystical prayer, spiritual growth and union with God (one in which, the accusation ran, there existed the possibility of achieving a sinless state and union with the Christian Godhead). Okay, thank you. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 31, 2023 20:48:46 GMT
Uhm...I have even far more shocking news for you, Sir: I already know this. Do you want to know how I already knew: Because I AM Catholic!!!! Again, already knew this. Christianity is divided into 3 major denominations: Catholic, Protestant, & Orthodox. Orthodoxy is divided by geography. Protestant is divided into thousands of sects, each based upon person interpretation of Biblical teaching. Christianity belongs to the Family of Abrahamic religions. There are 4 Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, & Baha'i. Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. They worship Only One True God. All others are considered to be false. Perhaps, but, it does not negate the fact that Abrahamic religions are all monotheistic. Abrahamic religions are polytheistic, they believed more than one god existed, but worshipped Yahweh only. Polytheism doesn't require worship of more than one god, only the belief that more than one god exists. Read your Old Testament. It's in plain sight, in the ten commandments and other places. Christianity has the Trinity which requires philosophical gymnastics to shoehorn into monotheism. Excellent point! |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 31, 2023 21:26:46 GMT
Abrahamic religions are polytheistic, they believed more than one god existed, but worshipped Yahweh only. Polytheism doesn't require worship of more than one god, only the belief that more than one god exists. Read your Old Testament. It's in plain sight, in the ten commandments and other places. Christianity has the Trinity which requires philosophical gymnastics to shoehorn into monotheism. Excellent point! What Sarge is describing is henotheism. The early Canaanite tribes were always in a cultural flux due the Egyptian influence on one side and the Mesopotamian one the other with differ pagan beliefs waxing and waning. Even so, one good source of civic revenue for these burgeoning Canaanite tribal cities was sponsoring a temple in honor of their local god or gods. Being similar in pagan outlook, these gods were interchangeable and as the most powerful and wealthiest tribe emerged in the 1st m. BC, that tribe got dibs the lucre temple trade and that tribe’s king was usually that god. Strict monotheism probably didn’t happen until Persian Empire came in with their highly developed, late Antiquities Zoroastrianism. As the Israelites and Judahites reconstituted themselves as one homogeneous nation and condensed and redacted their holy scriptures to what’s recognizable as the Torah today. It’s the apocalyptic literature that’s not considered literal in Jewish theology that caught the attention of the 1st c. BC Roman Empire oppressed Jews and developed into a heresy of an imminent, revolutionary messiah the Pharisees, Temple Sadducees, and Rome were trying to stamp out at the time. As far as most Buddhists are concerned, Jesus is a legitimate spiritual teacher who achieved Nirvana but chooses to remain in existence as a bodhisattva Christians know as the Holy Spirit. If he had a miraculous birth and death, that’s not necessary for his narrative to be affective, but it could’ve happened. So, there is nothing in holding Christian beliefs per se that will prevent a devoted disciple who follows the way of love of the Lord Jesus from obtaining Nirvana, that is, Union with the Godhead. |
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