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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 8, 2023 22:05:26 GMT
Your assumption is if Mohammad is a real man and he lived to be 62 in 632AD, he would be far healthier than other 62 year old modern men who spend billions each year on viagra. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you understood. I don't assume that Mohammad was a real man. Then no worms and no fucking a nine year old…disappointed?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 8, 2023 22:11:57 GMT
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you understood. I don't assume that Mohammad was a real man. Then no worms and no fucking a nine year old…disappointed? No, not disappointed. ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/6h2ujupw9/nope.gif)
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Post by mikef6 on Feb 8, 2023 23:07:27 GMT
Do "we" really? You don't say. Yes. Every heard of paleoarchaeology? I asked my BFF, Wikipedia, and he verified what I already knew: “As with most biblical personages in the middle era of Israelite society, the historicity of Solomon is hotly debated. Current consensus states that regardless of whether or not a man named Solomon truly reigned as king over the Judean hills in the tenth century BCE, the Biblical descriptions of his apparent empire's lavishness is almost surely an anachronistic exaggeration. “ As for Solomon himself, scholars on both the maximalist and minimalist sides of the spectrum of biblical archeology generally agree that he probably existed. However, a historically accurate picture of the Davidic king is difficult to construct. According to some archaeologists, Solomon could have only been the monarch or chieftain of Judah, and that the northern kingdom was a separate development. Such positions have been criticized by other archaeologists and scholars, who argue that a united monarchy did exist in the 10th century BC, while agreeing that the biblical account contains exaggerations.”
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Post by Sarge on Feb 9, 2023 8:38:05 GMT
Muhammad was a warlord that spread Islam with a sword. His descendants were the same. Last time I said that, a certain person here erupted into fits but now apparently has come around to my way of thinking. I find it interesting and wonder if either time was sincere. Anyway, Muhammad was probably a real person, there is nothing unique about claiming to be a prophet. Founding a lasting religion is rare, but I suspect more credit is due his 'descendants' than himself, kinda like Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 15:55:53 GMT
I don't know enough about him to be fair... I know the Muslims I have known through my life have been nice people.
Like Jesus, God, Yahweh, and other religious figures, Mohammad has been misused as an excuse by some wrong uns to be really shitty to other people.
I'm with Jesus myself... "Put your sword back, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword"... And he didn't mean physically die in this life.
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Post by djorno on Feb 9, 2023 20:29:54 GMT
Not a fan. Too many red flags in regards to his life and teachings for my liking. Unlike some here though I believe he definitely was a historical person.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 9, 2023 20:54:04 GMT
He probably never existed or if he did, he never claimed to be a prophet. So, it’s possible he was very successful warlord and may have been considered a beloved wiseman as he got older by his tribes. As for his marriage to a nine year old, that was their primitive custom, and probably a tribal politics thing. Likewise, that could a myth. Keep in mind Abraham married his half-sister, Sarah. This is my honest opinion. And before you misinterpret and call me the most evil person in the universe, I 100% do not support Islam. How can you support something you are not associated with? You can support it if you want to.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 9, 2023 23:48:05 GMT
You can support it if you want to. That wasn’t my point. Even so, it’s a free country.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 10, 2023 15:19:16 GMT
Arguably one of the most influential people that ever lived.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2023 16:13:50 GMT
Arguably one of the most influential people that ever lived. If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 10, 2023 16:20:53 GMT
Arguably one of the most influential people that ever lived. If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him. But unlike Prester John, someone actually conquered the Arabian peninsula and there are actual accounts by non Muslims describing these conquests. One of them even claims that the Muslims armies were led by a false prophet. Almost all historian accept the historicity of Jesus Christ and there is far more evidence for the existence of Muhammad than there is for the existence of Jesus.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2023 16:29:15 GMT
If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him. But unlike Prester John, someone actually conquered the Arabian peninsula and there are actual accounts by non Muslims describing these conquests. One of them even claims that the Muslims armies were led by a false prophet. Almost all historian accept the historicity of Jesus Christ and there is far more evidence for the existence of Muhammad than there is for the existence of Jesus. So I've heard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 17:36:48 GMT
Arguably one of the most influential people that ever lived. If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him. Prester John? Bloody hell. Really?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 10, 2023 17:46:41 GMT
If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him. Prester John? Bloody hell. Really? Yes, Prester John changed the world. He started what I like to call the Ride of the First Horseman.
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Post by clusium on Feb 10, 2023 18:15:14 GMT
Not a fan. Too many red flags in regards to his life and teachings for my liking. Unlike some here though I believe he definitely was a historical person. What were they?
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 10, 2023 18:16:37 GMT
Arguably one of the most influential people that ever lived. If he lived. Prester John was also a very influential person, but no one ever found him. The imaginary Jesus tops them all.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Feb 10, 2023 19:06:09 GMT
There are a few things that are a bit off about Muhammad compared to the previous biblical prophets. For one, he did not start receiving revelation until he was 40 years old. As opposed to the biblical prophets who are described to have been chosen at their conception. He also believed that his revelation in the cave was Satanic and he tried to kill himself like three times. The Koran/Qur'an and Muslims say the Bible/Torah contains clear and explicit prophecies about Muhammad's coming, but the Jews and Christians say you can find none or if they are there, they're not explicit but vague at most.
As for the issue of Muhammad supposedly marrying a child, well, some Muslims still deny that, even though the hadiths which say so are classified as sahih (authentic). Others say that was the cultural standard for the time being. I'm perfectly aware of that the age of marrying was lower in the past times than today, and I'm sure you can find a king here and there in history who married as 12-year old or even a 9-year old girl. The issue is that people in general don't hail their kings and ancestors who did it to the skies, while Muhammad is looked up to as an infallible role model.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 19:23:40 GMT
There are a few things that are a bit off about Muhammad compared to the previous biblical prophets. For one, he did not start receiving revelation until he was 40 years old. As opposed to the biblical prophets who are described to have been chosen at their conception. He also believed that his revelation in the cave was Satanic and he tried to kill himself like three times. The Koran/Qur'an and Muslims say the Bible/Torah contains clear and explicit prophecies about Muhammad's coming, but the Jews and Christians say you can find none or if they are there, they're not explicit but vague at most. As for the issue of Muhammad supposedly marrying a child, well, some Muslims still deny that, even though the hadiths which say so are classified as sahih (authentic). Others say that was the cultural standard for the time being. I'm perfectly aware of that the age of marrying was lower in the past times than today, and I'm sure you can find a king here and there in history who married as 12-year old or even a 9-year old girl. The Christian age of marriage in the 1500/1600s was just 12 years old for girls... Bunch of paedophiles them Christians? And child sexual love is still widely celebrated today in the play Romeo and Juliet.
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Post by clusium on Feb 10, 2023 19:46:57 GMT
There are a few things that are a bit off about Muhammad compared to the previous biblical prophets. For one, he did not start receiving revelation until he was 40 years old. As opposed to the biblical prophets who are described to have been chosen at their conception. He also believed that his revelation in the cave was Satanic and he tried to kill himself like three times. The Koran/Qur'an and Muslims say the Bible/Torah contains clear and explicit prophecies about Muhammad's coming, but the Jews and Christians say you can find none or if they are there, they're not explicit but vague at most. As for the issue of Muhammad supposedly marrying a child, well, some Muslims still deny that, even though the hadiths which say so are classified as sahih (authentic). Others say that was the cultural standard for the time being. I'm perfectly aware of that the age of marrying was lower in the past times than today, and I'm sure you can find a king here and there in history who married as 12-year old or even a 9-year old girl. The Christian age of marriage in the 1500/1600s was just 12 years old for girls... Bunch of paedophiles them Christians? And child sexual love is still widely celebrated today in the play Romeo and Juliet. Romeo was about 17 years old, & Juliet was about 14. In other words, they were teenagers, which very typically date.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Feb 10, 2023 20:13:04 GMT
There are a few things that are a bit off about Muhammad compared to the previous biblical prophets. For one, he did not start receiving revelation until he was 40 years old. As opposed to the biblical prophets who are described to have been chosen at their conception. He also believed that his revelation in the cave was Satanic and he tried to kill himself like three times. The Koran/Qur'an and Muslims say the Bible/Torah contains clear and explicit prophecies about Muhammad's coming, but the Jews and Christians say you can find none or if they are there, they're not explicit but vague at most. As for the issue of Muhammad supposedly marrying a child, well, some Muslims still deny that, even though the hadiths which say so are classified as sahih (authentic). Others say that was the cultural standard for the time being. I'm perfectly aware of that the age of marrying was lower in the past times than today, and I'm sure you can find a king here and there in history who married as 12-year old or even a 9-year old girl. The Christian age of marriage in the 1500/1600s was just 12 years old for girls... Bunch of paedophiles them Christians? And child sexual love is still widely celebrated today in the play Romeo and Juliet. If Christianity condoned child marriage, I wouldn't want to support this religion either.
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