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Post by dividavi on Feb 10, 2023 18:27:48 GMT
It sure seems like it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 18:47:11 GMT
Yes.
Pope John Paul II proclaimed that animals do have souls and are “as near to God as men are"
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 10, 2023 19:05:53 GMT
No. Nothing has a soul. That idea was abandoned by scientists and philosophers many, many decades ago. It is a dead model of consciousness.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 10, 2023 19:37:28 GMT
I'm sure I've had a filleted one. I saw it on the menu.
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Post by permutojoe on Feb 11, 2023 6:49:36 GMT
If they do I'm gonna have to reposition this tarp.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Feb 11, 2023 14:05:44 GMT
According to the teachings of Paramahansa Yogananda , every living creature has a soul, that includes fish.
Do i personally think a fish has soul, or that a soul exist?
The answer to that is
I don`t know.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 11, 2023 14:22:29 GMT
No. Nothing has a soul. That idea was abandoned by scientists and philosophers many, many decades ago. It is a dead model of consciousness. "Many decades ago." You mean science hasn't evolved at all? I can't believe you are that obtuse. You wouldn't accept any evidence that doesn't fit in with your paradigm. Of course, you are dead wrong.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 11, 2023 14:23:03 GMT
Yes, every animal has a soul, but I think there are some humans who don't.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 11, 2023 14:26:35 GMT
No. Nothing has a soul. That idea was abandoned by scientists and philosophers many, many decades ago. It is a dead model of consciousness. "Many decades ago." You mean science hasn't evolved at all? Yes, when scientists realized the idea that people have souls was stupid and unsupported by the evidence, then rejected it, that was science evolving. What evidence? Show it to me.
About what, specifically? .
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Post by dividavi on Feb 11, 2023 18:31:29 GMT
No. Nothing has a soul. That idea was abandoned by scientists and philosophers many, many decades ago. It is a dead model of consciousness. Just as matter of definitions, what are the differences in meaning between these words (and phrase): soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, psyche, awareness of being, essence. To me, they all mean the same thing.
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Post by general313 on Feb 11, 2023 18:31:35 GMT
My iPad can recognize my face with Face ID. It would be silly to think that that means my iPad has a soul.
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Post by Catman on Feb 11, 2023 19:16:15 GMT
Only fish with feet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 19:21:39 GMT
That includes coelacanths then 'Old Four Legs'
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Feb 12, 2023 3:33:51 GMT
I don't know if fish have souls, but Phish have four souls.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2023 12:32:16 GMT
No. Nothing has a soul. That idea was abandoned by scientists and philosophers many, many decades ago. It is a dead model of consciousness. Just as matter of definitions, what are the differences in meaning between these words (and phrase): soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, psyche, awareness of being, essence. To me, they all mean the same thing. You can use the terms interchangeably, but in doing so you cut yourself off from the more specific discourses that have developed over time around these issues and concepts in academic and scientific circles.
"Soul" and "spirit" have been used to refer to a supernatural force or property separate from matter. "Mind," "psyche," and "awareness" have been used to refer to any agent capable of rudimentary cognition, and this would include ants and humans. "Consciousness" has (mostly) been used to refer to what human beings undeniably have that other animals do not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 12:41:09 GMT
Just as matter of definitions, what are the differences in meaning between these words (and phrase): soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, psyche, awareness of being, essence. To me, they all mean the same thing. You can use the terms interchangeably, but in doing so you cut yourself off from the more specific discourses that have developed over time around these issues and concepts in academic and scientific circles.
"Soul" and "spirit" have been used to refer to a supernatural force or property separate from matter. "Mind," "psyche," and "awareness" have been used to refer to any agent capable of rudimentary cognition, and this would include ants and humans. "Consciousness" has (mostly) been used to refer to what human beings undeniably have that other animals do not.
Other animals do have consciousness, and science is close to acknowledging that even insects are conscious... www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/do-insects-have-feelings-and-consciousness
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 12, 2023 13:00:36 GMT
You can use the terms interchangeably, but in doing so you cut yourself off from the more specific discourses that have developed over time around these issues and concepts in academic and scientific circles.
"Soul" and "spirit" have been used to refer to a supernatural force or property separate from matter. "Mind," "psyche," and "awareness" have been used to refer to any agent capable of rudimentary cognition, and this would include ants and humans. "Consciousness" has (mostly) been used to refer to what human beings undeniably have that other animals do not.
Other animals do have consciousness, and science is close to acknowledging that even insects are conscious... www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/do-insects-have-feelings-and-consciousnessYou are using the term "consciousness" as a huge net that can catch so many things it becomes an almost meaningless term. You aren't the only one who likes to do this, but it is inadvisable.
Human beings with language have something unique that literally no other creature we've ever encountered has. Let's restrict "consciousness" as a term to whatever that is, and find other concepts for what other animals can do.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 13:17:07 GMT
You are using the term "consciousness" as a huge net that can catch so many things it becomes an almost meaningless term. You aren't the only one who likes to do this, but it is inadvisable.
Human beings with language have something unique that literally no other creature we've ever encountered has. Let's restrict "consciousness" as a term to whatever that is, and find other concepts for what other animals can do. Then you need to narrow and define 'consciousness' in your usage of the term? You state that consciousness is something that humans undeniably have that other animals don't have... What are those things? If you are defining consciousness as language, all animals have language.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 12, 2023 14:25:36 GMT
"Many decades ago." You mean science hasn't evolved at all? Yes, when scientists realized the idea that people have souls was stupid and unsupported by the evidence, then rejected it, that was science evolving. What evidence? Show it to me.
About what, specifically? .
Just because you don't accept evidence or see it with your limitations, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I do believe, however, that it's quite possible that there are some humans who don't have a soul. You may very well be one of them.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Feb 12, 2023 16:21:22 GMT
Yes, when scientists realized the idea that people have souls was stupid and unsupported by the evidence, then rejected it, that was science evolving. What evidence? Show it to me.
About what, specifically? .
Just because you don't accept evidence or see it with your limitations, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I do believe, however, that it's quite possible that there are some humans who don't have a soul. You may very well be one of them. Wait I thought you believed in consciousness being a seperate entity from the brain (aka a "soul")? Now you're telling us some people don't have a soul? So the conscioussness does actually stem from the brain but not others? Is that what you're getting at?
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