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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 26, 2023 6:35:04 GMT
Pedophilia will be normalized too, after you have enough people converted to Sodom. It won't be a Christian state. It will be a Noahide state, and if you think I'm eagerly awaiting that, then your brain is in even worse condition than I thought it was. And here comes the slippery-slope. Do you think all the priests and bishops were had sex for two thousand years and yet some how we still got to the Moon. Marriage was never normalized in the Catholic priesthood but the law on the books didn't stop them. And guess what, Sodom as a place in the Bible is a myth. I'm not interested in the sex lives of priests and bishops. We didn't get to the moon. Sodom was a real place. Hope that helps.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 26, 2023 10:20:28 GMT
And here comes the slippery-slope. Do you think all the priests and bishops were had sex for two thousand years and yet some how we still got to the Moon. Marriage was never normalized in the Catholic priesthood but the law on the books didn't stop them. And guess what, Sodom as a place in the Bible is a myth. I'm not interested in the sex lives of priests and bishops. We didn't get to the moon. Sodom was a real place. Hope that helps. Sodom and Gomorrah (/ˈsɒdəm ... ɡəˈmɒrə/) were two legendary biblical cities destroyed by God for their wickedness.[1] Their story parallels the Genesis flood narrative in its theme of God's anger provoked by man's sin (see Genesis 19:1–28).[2][3] They are mentioned frequently in the prophets and the New Testament as symbols of human wickedness and divine retribution, and the Quran also contains a version of the story about the two cities.[4] The narrative of their destruction may have a relation to the remains of third-millennium Bronze Age cities in the region, and subsequent Late Bronze Age collapse.[1] wikipedia You give the all male priesthood a pass to sexual abuse any boy, girl, or woman they please, but two consenting gay adults is a no go. Oh, man, that's sick.
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Post by clusium on Feb 26, 2023 13:05:00 GMT
I'm not interested in the sex lives of priests and bishops. We didn't get to the moon. Sodom was a real place. Hope that helps. Sodom and Gomorrah (/ˈsɒdəm ... ɡəˈmɒrə/) were two legendary biblical cities destroyed by God for their wickedness.[1] Their story parallels the Genesis flood narrative in its theme of God's anger provoked by man's sin (see Genesis 19:1–28).[2][3] They are mentioned frequently in the prophets and the New Testament as symbols of human wickedness and divine retribution, and the Quran also contains a version of the story about the two cities.[4] The narrative of their destruction may have a relation to the remains of third-millennium Bronze Age cities in the region, and subsequent Late Bronze Age collapse.[1] wikipedia You give the all male priesthood a pass to sexual abuse any boy, girl, or woman they please, but two consenting gay adults is a no go. Oh, man, that's sick. No we don't. We believe that anybody who has sex with a kid should be sitting in a jail cell, no matter who (((Bleep))) they are. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." (Emphasis mine.) Rape, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 14:25:08 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno 's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry.
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Post by djorno on Feb 26, 2023 14:41:18 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry. I was discriminating in the same way that I do not believe an adult should be having sexual relations with children nor a brother with his sister. Me and Clasium believe all 3 activities are immoral. Aren't you a moral subtivist? If so whats the problem?
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 14:44:18 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno 's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry. I was discriminating in the same way that I do not believe an adult should be having sexual relations with children nor a brother with his sister. Me and Clasium believe all 3 activities are immoral. Aren't you a moral subtivist? If so whats the problem? Do you need a primer on legal marriage? Or are you able to discuss it without one?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 26, 2023 15:19:27 GMT
IsapopI didn't "call" for anything. I told you that I thought it shouldn't be legally recognized, and I told you why. Have fun trying to make a thoughtcrime out of Clusium giving a like to what I wrote. I have no respect for ones who do what you're trying to do now, not that it matters to you.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 15:57:25 GMT
Isapop I didn't "call" for anything. I told you that I thought it shouldn't be legally recognized, and I told you why. Have fun trying to make a thoughtcrime out of Clusium giving a like to what I wrote. I have no respect for ones who do what you're trying to do now, not that it matters to you. You're going to quibble over the word "call"? Then you support the idea that gay people shall not be treated equally under the law. It doesn't alter the point in the slightest. And "thoughtcrime" doesn't enter into it. There is no state penalty here for your thoughts. You display them at the fair risk of response to them, just as we all do.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 26, 2023 16:07:35 GMT
Isapop I didn't "call" for anything. I told you that I thought it shouldn't be legally recognized, and I told you why. Have fun trying to make a thoughtcrime out of Clusium giving a like to what I wrote. I have no respect for ones who do what you're trying to do now, not that it matters to you. You're going to quibble over the word "call"? Then you support the idea that gay people shall not be treated equally under the law. It doesn't alter the point in the slightest. And "thoughtcrime" doesn't enter into it. There is no state penalty here for your thoughts. You display them at the fair risk of response to them, just as we all do. Yes, I quibble over the word "call." Two sodomites or two lesbians is not a marriage, and I do not support the legal recognition of such a union. And it isn't going to change, so you need not waste time trying. Several years ago, I was okay with the legal civil union as long as it was not referred to a marriage, and I was called bigot and homophobe and mouth breather and knuckle dragger and slave owner and maybe a few other uncomplimentary names by the sodomites on the Internet, but I learned a valuable lesson from that experience. I learned that sodomites will never be content until they have stamped out all thoughts that run contrary to their perversion.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 16:35:56 GMT
You're going to quibble over the word "call"? Then you support the idea that gay people shall not be treated equally under the law. It doesn't alter the point in the slightest. And "thoughtcrime" doesn't enter into it. There is no state penalty here for your thoughts. You display them at the fair risk of response to them, just as we all do. Yes, I quibble over the word "call." Then, as I said, such a quibble doesn't alter the point at all.We had already settled that much, remember?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 26, 2023 16:40:23 GMT
Yes, I quibble over the word "call." Then, as I said, such a quibble doesn't alter the point at all.We had already settled that much, remember? Yeah. Now you just need to stop making false charges against Clusium, and everything will be fine.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 16:42:47 GMT
Then, as I said, such a quibble doesn't alter the point at all.We had already settled that much, remember? Yeah. Now you just need to stop making false charges against Clusium, and everything will be fine. If she has any response to what I said to her, I'm sure she'll make it in her own good time.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 26, 2023 16:47:58 GMT
Yeah. Now you just need to stop making false charges against Clusium, and everything will be fine. If she has any response to what I said to her, I'm sure she'll make it in her own good time. Oh, I'm sure she will too. I've known her for years, and she's stronger than you'll ever be, but I couldn't in good conscience just sit and watch and say nothing. I've seen this kind of marginalization happen too many times. Anyone who isn't 100% "down with the cause" is going to be slandered, as an example to anyone watching.
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Post by clusium on Feb 26, 2023 17:03:26 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno 's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry. Marriage is for the union of man & woman. Not man & man & woman & woman. Tell me, Isapop, how do you feel about the sexual union between 2 siblings or even 2 first generation cousins?
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Post by clusium on Feb 26, 2023 17:08:05 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno 's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry. Oh, & one more thing: Do you (or anybody else here) remember gameboy? He was very much an active gay person, & yet he strongly opposed same-sex marriage as a proud gay man. Would you accuse him of bigotry for opposing same sex marriage?
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Post by gadreel on Feb 26, 2023 19:26:41 GMT
legalization of same-sex marriage? And oppose it if they live in a country where it is still not legal? I don't mean marching against it, or writing angry letters. I mean just being opposed in one's own mind. Or...is supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage not in conflict with being a good Christian? No. A good Christian would have compassion for his fellow humans and love them.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 20:00:58 GMT
legalization of same-sex marriage? And oppose it if they live in a country where it is still not legal? I don't mean marching against it, or writing angry letters. I mean just being opposed in one's own mind. Or...is supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage not in conflict with being a good Christian? No. A good Christian would have compassion for his fellow humans and love them. I expect you know that a "good Christian" on the opposing side would answer that they do have compassion and love for the sinner, and that it's only the sin that they hate.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 26, 2023 20:13:15 GMT
No. A good Christian would have compassion for his fellow humans and love them. I expect you know that a "good Christian" on the opposing side would answer that they do have compassion and love for the sinner, and that it's only the sin that they hate. I do know that is what they say, however my counter would be a good Christian realises their morality is simply an opinion and that Jesus commands love first, if I am opposed to homosexuality (I am not, I mean hypothetically) I have to realise that is MY belief, other people are welcome to pursue their own belief sets.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 26, 2023 20:21:27 GMT
Returning to the thread topic, I have an observation for you, Clusium. When faustus5 and Fr Jack both accused you of bigotry because you "liked" djorno 's video, you defended yourself by saying that the video does not promote "discrimination against them (gay people) in any kind of way". But on this thread you repeatedly "liked" the postings that call for just such discrimination, the postings that call for the state to treat gay people as second class citizens, as not equal under the law regarding legal marriage. Your approval of these calls for state discrimination against gays validates those charges of bigotry. Tell me, Isapop , how do you feel about the sexual union between 2 siblings or even 2 first generation cousins? Goodness, you already asked me that on the other thread, and I answered. Remember? You: Isapop, are you okay with 2 siblings or even 2 first generation cousins having sexual relations?Me: Any objections I have are simply of a visceral nature - call it "The ick factor". I won't try to cover it up with some "respectable" philosophical justification that falls apart under a little scrutiny. But that kind of covering up with a cloak of respectability appears to be exactly what the Catholic Church does when it says gay people are called to chastity.
But, sticking with the subject, with is legal marriage - marriage, not in the eyes of God, but in the eyes of the state - you now make no attempt to deny that, in fact, you DO support discrimination against gay people when it comes to equality under the law. It's not enough for you that they can never receive God's sacrament of marriage. If given your way, they also would never receive the state's contract called legal marriage. And people who think that an entire classification of other people should be treated under the law as second-class citizens have traditionally been tagged with a certain label. Sorry that you don't like being called a bigot when it comes to gay people. But the proverbial shoe fits.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 26, 2023 22:20:18 GMT
Sodom and Gomorrah (/ˈsɒdəm ... ɡəˈmɒrə/) were two legendary biblical cities destroyed by God for their wickedness.[1] Their story parallels the Genesis flood narrative in its theme of God's anger provoked by man's sin (see Genesis 19:1–28).[2][3] They are mentioned frequently in the prophets and the New Testament as symbols of human wickedness and divine retribution, and the Quran also contains a version of the story about the two cities.[4] The narrative of their destruction may have a relation to the remains of third-millennium Bronze Age cities in the region, and subsequent Late Bronze Age collapse.[1] wikipedia You give the all male priesthood a pass to sexual abuse any boy, girl, or woman they please, but two consenting gay adults is a no go. Oh, man, that's sick. No we don't. We believe that anybody who has sex with a kid should be sitting in a jail cell, no matter who (((Bleep))) they are. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." (Emphasis mine.) Rape, according to the Catechism of the Catholic ChurchDespite what you say, Catholics said absolutely nothing until the Church got caught.
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