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Post by Isapop on Feb 27, 2023 16:28:24 GMT
And if that attempt is ever made, it will be just as wrong as it is to deny legal marriage to gays. (If you ever see any prominent individual or any organization advocating for that, immediately bring it to our attention.) What for? Because I might miss it, of course. After all, I wouldn't be expecting it, so I won't be on the alert. You, on the other hand, know that it's coming and will be Johnny-on-the-Spot! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 16:45:08 GMT
Because I might miss it, of course. After all, I wouldn't be expecting it, so I won't be on the alert. You, on the other hand, know that it's coming and will be Johnny-on-the-Spot! How does you or anyone else not see it coming? The Puppet Masters want the old churches done away with to make way for the global religion, and this is one of the ways they do it, by getting rid of what the churches teach. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 16:54:18 GMT
Because I might miss it, of course. After all, I wouldn't be expecting it, so I won't be on the alert. You, on the other hand, know that it's coming and will be Johnny-on-the-Spot! How does you or anyone else not see it coming? The Puppet Masters want the old churches done away with to make way for the global religion, and this is one of the ways they do it, by getting rid of what the churches teach. You will have to define "the old churches'... Do you mean the Old Testament Jewish multiple gods, the earlier Sumerian gods and churches, or even earlier animist religions? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 17:07:14 GMT
How does you or anyone else not see it coming? The Puppet Masters want the old churches done away with to make way for the global religion, and this is one of the ways they do it, by getting rid of what the churches teach. You will have to define "the old churches'... Do you mean the Old Testament Jewish multiple gods, the earlier Sumerian gods and churches, or even earlier animist religions? I shouldn't have to define it. It was perfectly obvious. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now, not the least of which is the Roman Catholic Church. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 17:19:43 GMT
You will have to define "the old churches'... Do you mean the Old Testament Jewish multiple gods, the earlier Sumerian gods and churches, or even earlier animist religions? I shouldn't have to define it. It was perfectly obvious. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now, not the least of which is the Roman Catholic Church. You do need to define it? You cited "the old churches"... What are they? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 17:23:00 GMT
I shouldn't have to define it. It was perfectly obvious. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now, not the least of which is the Roman Catholic Church. You do need to define it? I already did. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now....Clear enough? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 17:25:26 GMT
You do need to define it? I already did. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now....Clear enough? No... It doesn't matter how much you shout? Churches that exist now is not a definition of "old churches" |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 17:32:06 GMT
I already did. By the old churches I meant the churches that exist now....Clear enough? No... It doesn't matter how much you shout? Churches that exist now is not a definition of "old churches" Yes, it most certainly is when taken in context. Everything is relative. Those churches are old (racist, bigoted, homophobic, etc.). The global religion is new. But you knew that already. You're just playing dumb to be a time-waster. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 17:39:45 GMT
No... It doesn't matter how much you shout? Churches that exist now is not a definition of "old churches" Yes, it most certainly is when taken in context. Everything is relative. Those churches are old (racist, bigoted, homophobic, etc.). The global religion is new. What you are saying is that you want churches to be racist, bigoted, and homophobic. Got that 👍 |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 17:43:39 GMT
Yes, it most certainly is when taken in context. Everything is relative. Those churches are old (racist, bigoted, homophobic, etc.). The global religion is new. But you knew that already. You're just playing dumb to be a time-waster. What you are saying is that you want churches to be racist, bigoted, and homophobic. Got that 👍 Do you need a definition for "sarcasm?" I can call in Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster if you don't understand it. They're racist, bigoted, and homophobic according to sodomites and blasphemers. Idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 17:48:31 GMT
What you are saying is that you want churches to be racist, bigoted, and homophobic. Got that 👍 Do you need a definition for "sarcasm?" I can call in Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster if you don't understand it. They're racist, bigoted, and homophobic according to sodomites and blasphemers. Idiot. You should hook up with Clusium... There will never be any sex except approved penis/vagina penetration purely for procreation. No manual, no oral, no love, no emotion. Just cold dead clinical procreation. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 27, 2023 17:50:58 GMT
Do you need a definition for "sarcasm?" I can call in Mr. Merriam and Mr. Webster if you don't understand it. They're racist, bigoted, and homophobic according to sodomites and blasphemers. Idiot. You should hook up with Clusium... There will never be any sex except penis/vagina purely for procreation. No manual, no oral, no love, no emotion. Just cold dead clinical procreation. If cold dead clinical procreation keeps people from turning into degenerate freaks, then good I say. |
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:00:23 GMT
Yes, I am well aware that not all couples consummate their marriage. Nonetheless, marriage is the pledging of one's own body to another, even if or when they choose not to engage in sexual acts. 2 male bodies do not make sense together; 2 female bodies do not make sense together; rather it is the coming together of male & female that make sense together. As long as it makes sense to the couple, then why should you fret? Does it not sink in to you that you have no valid reason gay people are unable to meet the requirements for legal marriage? All you do is say things that have no bearing upon legal marriage. Because they don't meet the requirements for legal marriage. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 27, 2023 18:08:21 GMT
As long as it makes sense to the couple, then why should you fret? Does it not sink in to you that you have no valid reason gay people are unable to meet the requirements for legal marriage? All you do is say things that have no bearing upon legal marriage. Because they don't meet the requirements for legal marriage. Obviously they do, because the state has been affording legal marriage to gay couples since 2015. And the state started doing that because it realized that there was no valid reason to withhold it. (The record is clear that you can offer no valid reason.) |
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:17:01 GMT
Because they don't meet the requirements for legal marriage. Obviously they do, because the state has been affording legal marriage to gay couples since 2015. And the state started doing that because it realized that there was no valid reason to withhold it. (The record is clear that you can offer no valid reason.) The state has been wrong before. |
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:40:00 GMT
As long as it makes sense to the couple, then why should you fret? Does it not sink in to you that you have no valid reason gay people are unable to meet the requirements for legal marriage? All you do is say things that have no bearing upon legal marriage. , My late husband and I did not have children, intentionally. We both grew up in "dysfunctional" families, and we didn't want to pass that burden on to children. We were legally married, despite our intention to not have biological (or adopted) children. Why (in your world) can't two same-sex people decide to be legally married, just because they can't have biological children together? Just because it doesn't "make sense" to you? Why does this bother you so much, what other people do that does not negatively affect your life? Does the phrase "live and let live" have any meaning to you? I actually do not tell gays or lesbians directly, how to live their lives. This is how I personally & conscientiously view things. Unless confronted directly(like I am currently being), I do not involve myself in subjects involving LGBT, which was why I never participated in the LGBT message forum. YOU GUYS are actually the ones that are bullying ME on how I view same-sex relationships & acts. I'm not going to lie, just to fit in with you people. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 27, 2023 18:42:26 GMT
Obviously they do, because the state has been affording legal marriage to gay couples since 2015. And the state started doing that because it realized that there was no valid reason to withhold it. (The record is clear that you can offer no valid reason.) The state has been wrong before. So has religion, ALL religions. Catholic priests have done horrible things to young Catholics. Christian Crusaders slaughtered those who were not Catholic. Hindus, many centuries ago, required the multiple wives of a man who had died to throw themselves alive onto the funeral pyre. The list of atrocities against people of a different faith, including the Holocaust, goes on forever. The USA has a secular legal system, a set of laws that are voted upon, discussed, validated, etc. If you are a US citizen and break one of these laws, you are judged by a jury of your peers. Religion should not be involved. If parents let a child die because they do not believe in antibiotics, they should be held legally accountable for that loss of life. And, in the USA, you have the right to believe and practice whatever your religious beliefs are, as long as your actions do not break the secular laws of the land. It is called separation of church and state. I don't know if Canada has that system or not. |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Feb 27, 2023 18:44:37 GMT
clusium , My late husband and I did not have children, intentionally. We both grew up in "dysfunctional" families, and we didn't want to pass that burden on to children. We were legally married, despite our intention to not have biological (or adopted) children. Why (in your world) can't two same-sex people decide to be legally married, just because they can't have biological children together? Just because it doesn't "make sense" to you? Why does this bother you so much, what other people do that does not negatively affect your life? Does the phrase "live and let live" have any meaning to you? I actually do not tell gays or lesbians directly, how to live their lives. This is how I personally & conscientiously view things. Unless confronted directly(like I am currently being), I do not involve myself in subjects involving LGBT, which was why I never participated in the LGBT message forum. YOU GUYS are actually the ones that are bullying ME on how I view same-sex relationships & acts. I'm not going to lie, just to fit in with you people. Well, then, get thee to that nunnery in Norfolk. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 18:45:47 GMT
clusium , My late husband and I did not have children, intentionally. We both grew up in "dysfunctional" families, and we didn't want to pass that burden on to children. We were legally married, despite our intention to not have biological (or adopted) children. Why (in your world) can't two same-sex people decide to be legally married, just because they can't have biological children together? Just because it doesn't "make sense" to you? Why does this bother you so much, what other people do that does not negatively affect your life? Does the phrase "live and let live" have any meaning to you? I actually do not tell gays or lesbians how to live their lives Aye you do. |
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:50:04 GMT
The state has been wrong before. So has religion, ALL religions. Catholic priests have done horrible things to young Catholics. Christian Crusaders slaughtered those who were not Catholic. Hindus, many centuries ago, required the multiple wives of a man who had died to throw themselves alive onto the funeral pyre. The list of atrocities against people of a different faith, including the Holocaust, goes on forever. The USA has a secular legal system, a set of laws that are voted upon, discussed, validated, etc. If you are a US citizen and break one of these laws, you are judged by a jury of your peers. Religion should not be involved. If parents let a child die because they do not believe in antibiotics, they should be held legally accountable for that loss of life. And, in the USA, you have the right to believe and practice whatever your religious beliefs are, as long as your actions do not break the secular laws of the land. It is called separation of church and state. I don't know if Canada has that system or not. Correct, & those priests not only committed a crime against the state, but they also committed a very grievous sin in the Eyes Of God. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." Rape, According To The Catechism Of The Catholic Church
And to answer your question, here in Canada we have freedom of religion. Incidentally, separation of church & state, & freedom of religion is to protect RELIGION FROM THE STATE, not the state from religion. |
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