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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 18:51:28 GMT
I actually do not tell gays or lesbians how to live their lives Aye you do. Only when I am put into that position. You call yourself a faithful Catholic, but, you do not believe in Church teaching.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 18:55:13 GMT
Only when I am put into that position. Nobody puts you in to a position to judge others... You choose to judge others... Our Lord told us not to.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 27, 2023 19:45:29 GMT
Obviously they do, because the state has been affording legal marriage to gay couples since 2015. And the state started doing that because it realized that there was no valid reason to withhold it. (The record is clear that you can offer no valid reason.) The state has been wrong before. And YOU have the chance to correct it. All you have to do is give one valid reason why the contract in question has to be restricted to only straight couples. And the fact that you can't doesn't even make a dent with you.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 21:33:47 GMT
Only when I am put into that position. Nobody puts you in to a position to judge others... You choose to judge others... Our Lord told us not to. I'm not judging anything. I am following Church teaching, something in which you do not.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 21:34:44 GMT
The state has been wrong before. And YOU have the chance to correct it. All you have to do is give one valid reason why the contract in question has to be restricted to only straight couples. And the fact that you can't doesn't even make a dent with you. I already have: Male does not make sense on its own; female does not make sense on its own. Male & female complement each other.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 27, 2023 22:04:09 GMT
And YOU have the chance to correct it. All you have to do is give one valid reason why the contract in question has to be restricted to only straight couples. And the fact that you can't doesn't even make a dent with you. I already have: Male does not make sense on its own; female does not make sense on its own. Male & female complement each other. It makes no sense to you or me, so neither one of us would enter into a same-sex marriage. But (and really, TRY to understand this) the state's obligation to treat all people equally under the law takes precedence over what makes sense to you or me. The state does the right thing by honoring that obligation.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 27, 2023 22:22:21 GMT
And YOU have the chance to correct it. All you have to do is give one valid reason why the contract in question has to be restricted to only straight couples. And the fact that you can't doesn't even make a dent with you. I already have: Male does not make sense on its own; female does not make sense on its own. Male & female complement each other. How exactly does it not make sense?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 0:01:06 GMT
I already have: Male does not make sense on its own; female does not make sense on its own. Male & female complement each other. How exactly does it not make sense? More like, how exactly does it make sense to someone like you?
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 0:07:29 GMT
How exactly does it not make sense? More like, how exactly does it make sense to someone like you? Because two people are in love and are expressing their love. How can that not make sense?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 0:12:45 GMT
More like, how exactly does it make sense to someone like you? Because two people are in love and are expressing their love. How can that not make sense? When they are of the same gender. That's how. Didn't anyone explain it to you when you were younger?
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 0:17:53 GMT
Because two people are in love and are expressing their love. How can that not make sense? When they are of the same gender. That's how. Didn't anyone explain it to you when you were younger? no one explained to me exactly how same sex relationships made no sense, perhaps you can?
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Post by mystery on Feb 28, 2023 0:19:44 GMT
I'm starting to think this board should be renamed the "Religion, Faith and Sexuality" forum...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 0:22:03 GMT
When they are of the same gender. That's how. Didn't anyone explain it to you when you were younger? no one explained to me exactly how same sex relationships made no sense, perhaps you can? I rather doubt it. If you don't understand at the age you are now, then the likelihood is that you never will.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 0:26:18 GMT
no one explained to me exactly how same sex relationships made no sense, perhaps you can? I rather doubt it. If you don't understand at the age you are now, then the likelihood is that you never will. Ok cool, you just came on to pretend you knew more than me and run away when your bluff was challenged. You are an empty shell, don't bother talking to me unless you actually have something to say.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 0:28:41 GMT
I rather doubt it. If you don't understand at the age you are now, then the likelihood is that you never will. Ok cool, you just came on to pretend you knew more than me and run away when your bluff was challenged. You are an empty shell, don't bother talking to me unless you actually have something to say. Maybe you'd like to defend incest while you're at it. Or necrophilia. Or pedophilia. Or bestiality.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 11:13:06 GMT
I actually do not tell gays or lesbians directly, how to live their lives. But that is only because you don't have the power to do so, not because of any "live and let live" attitude on your part. You've made it clear that if you had the power to interfere with how gay people wish to live, then that's just what you would do. If it was in your power, you would deny them their choice to have a legal marriage.
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 15:13:02 GMT
I actually do not tell gays or lesbians directly, how to live their lives. But that is only because you don't have the power to do so, not because of any "live and let live" attitude on your part. You've made it clear that if you had the power to interfere with how gay people wish to live, then that's just what you would do. If it was in your power, you would deny them their choice to have a legal marriage. I would also never have them killed or assaulted in any kind of way.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 28, 2023 15:20:09 GMT
I would also never have them killed or assaulted in any kind of way. Aw, how large of you. Problem is, in the real world of human psychology, gays being killed and assaulted is always going to be a direct consequence of your attitude's existence. You can't have one without the other. Your dumb as fuck refusal to accept gay people as full human beings deserving of equal rights is part of the same network of ideology which gets them killed and assaulted.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 15:21:59 GMT
But that is only because you don't have the power to do so, not because of any "live and let live" attitude on your part. You've made it clear that if you had the power to interfere with how gay people wish to live, then that's just what you would do. If it was in your power, you would deny them their choice to have a legal marriage. I would also never have them killed or assaulted in any kind of way. And you want points for that? Shall we say, "How nice of her! While she WOULD have gay people treated under the law as unequal to straight people, at least she wouldn't have them assaulted or killed!"
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 15:24:50 GMT
I would also never have them killed or assaulted in any kind of way. Aw, how large of you. Problem is, in the real world of human psychology, gays being killed and assaulted is always going to be a direct consequence of your attitude's existence. You can't have one without the other. Your dumb as fuck refusal to accept gay people as full human beings deserving of equal rights is part of the same network of ideology which gets them killed and assaulted.
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