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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 22, 2023 16:05:00 GMT
Mexican and Japanese fans reacted to the semi-final game. Wow, the first guy was a riot. I've had fits over games. I've had shitfits over games. I've even thrown objects over games (in my younger days). But I've never stabbed a TV.
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Post by Rufus-T on Mar 22, 2023 16:08:10 GMT
Other than the Miracle on Ice Olympic, I can't remember one time that Americans feel overly pumped for an international win. Yeah, the news may portray excitement, and the participants family would be overjoyed. Ordinary citizen basically happy for the win and go about the business. I am sensing like Japan had just won a major war. No coincidence that we were at out lowest point since the depression, in terms of national psyche. Vietnam ended in bitter defeat in 1973; Nixon and Watergate; the energy crisis of the 70s; the hostages in Iran; somehow in the 70s, we had become the embarrassment we saw other countries as. The US needed something to feel good about, and boy did they get it-- over the Soviets none the less. Funny to wonder what its historical significance would be if we had beaten the Soviets, but lost the Gold Medal game to Finland. Excellent points! Also, the US had a very tough lost in the Olympic basketball final game to the Soviet around that time. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 22, 2023 16:32:03 GMT
Wow, the first guy was a riot. I've had fits over games. I've had shitfits over games. I've even thrown objects over games (in my younger days). But I've never stabbed a TV.
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 22, 2023 16:37:35 GMT
I skipped stabbing. Super Bowl 52? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 22, 2023 16:46:11 GMT
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Post by Rufus-T on Mar 22, 2023 16:51:15 GMT
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Post by sdm3 on Mar 22, 2023 16:52:17 GMT
I'd rather have this on my TV than 51:  |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 22, 2023 16:55:51 GMT
I'd rather have this on my TV than 51: Fitting that a game featuring Tom Brady leads you to think of rings. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 22, 2023 17:04:49 GMT
I'd rather have this on my TV than 51: I'm the same way about 25
and 26
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 22, 2023 17:20:52 GMT
Of course not, we're far too arrogant. The Olympic games (and any international competition) always evoke the same two emotions: If we win, it's an affirmation that we are superior in every way. If we lose, that was embarrassing, because we're clearly superior to that nation. As a culture, we're spoiled; so it bleeds into our national identity. Why do you think the Mexican fan went berserk? It would've meant a hell of a lot more to him saying Mexico was the best in the world at something, than it would've to us, where we assume we're the best nation on Earth, regardless of the outcome of a game. Yeah, the news may portray excitement, and the participants family would be overjoyed. Ordinary citizen basically happy for the win and go about the business. I am sensing like Japan had just won a major war. And those who weren't around in 1980 don't realize that, as huge as the Miracle was, it wasn't on live for America. It was played at 5:30 pm and shown at 8 pm on ABC. But we got to watch it live here because we got Canadian TV stations. Every relative we had across the country was calling and asking "Did the Americans win?" and my father would say the same thing "Guess you'll have to wait until 8 to find out.".
It was winter but I swear you could hear the entire neighborhood and all of Buffalo scream for joy when the game was over. My mother crying like a little girl and even my father had moist eyeballs. There will never be anything like that again. A big reason was that Americans did NOT expect to win. There was no fucking way these college kids could beat the Russians. Hell, they lost 10-3 in an exhibition that could have been 30-3. Eruzione's goal and those last 10 minutes was the apex of sports in my life. Seen a lot of great things after, the four SB (well, up to the actual games), the 2004 ALCS, so many epic games for my nearly 60 years and none of them ompare.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Mar 22, 2023 17:43:16 GMT
Would American celebrate like this if US won? Watch especially the lady around the 45 seconds in. Of course not, we're far too arrogant. The Olympic games (and any international competition) always evoke the same two emotions: If we win, it's an affirmation that we are superior in every way. If we lose, that was embarrassing, because we're clearly superior to that nation. As a culture, we're spoiled; so it bleeds into our national identity. Why do you think the Mexican fan went berserk? It would've meant a hell of a lot more to him saying Mexico was the best in the world at something, than it would've to us, where we assume we're the best nation on Earth, regardless of the outcome of a game. Don't be so hard on yourselves. I think it is simpler than that: international sports is just not a big part of American sports culture like it is in soccer or cricket countries. There is no tradition of rooting for your national team in baseball, basketball, American football, or even hockey, whereas pretty much everywhere else the international game has been well-entrenched for decades.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 22, 2023 18:43:15 GMT
Would American celebrate like this if US won? Watch especially the lady around the 45 seconds in. Of course not, we're far too arrogant. The Olympic games (and any international competition) always evoke the same two emotions: If we win, it's an affirmation that we are superior in every way. If we lose, that was embarrassing, because we're clearly superior to that nation. As a culture, we're spoiled; so it bleeds into our national identity. Why do you think the Mexican fan went berserk? It would've meant a hell of a lot more to him saying Mexico was the best in the world at something, than it would've to us, where we assume we're the best nation on Earth, regardless of the outcome of a game. 2008 US v France men's 4x100 freestyle in the pool? Even the Ryder Cup seems more about keep-away now. Canada hockey is practically all about defending mystical honour (lols), & exhaling if we win. I think World Cup soccer would be big for the US, if it started winning knockout matches. Same with Canada, if we could just make a f'n knockout round before the world ends. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Mar 22, 2023 20:44:27 GMT
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Post by Rufus-T on Mar 23, 2023 5:08:04 GMT
Other than the Miracle on Ice Olympic, I can't remember one time that Americans feel overly pumped for an international win. Yeah, the news may portray excitement, and the participants family would be overjoyed. Ordinary citizen basically happy for the win and go about the business. I am sensing like Japan had just won a major war. And those who weren't around in 1980 don't realize that, as huge as the Miracle was, it wasn't on live for America. It was played at 5:30 pm and shown at 8 pm on ABC. But we got to watch it live here because we got Canadian TV stations. Every relative we had across the country was calling and asking "Did the Americans win?" and my father would say the same thing "Guess you'll have to wait until 8 to find out.".
It was winter but I swear you could hear the entire neighborhood and all of Buffalo scream for joy when the game was over. My mother crying like a little girl and even my father had moist eyeballs. There will never be anything like that again. A big reason was that Americans did NOT expect to win. There was no fucking way these college kids could beat the Russians. Hell, they lost 10-3 in an exhibition that could have been 30-3. Eruzione's goal and those last 10 minutes was the apex of sports in my life. Seen a lot of great things after, the four SB (well, up to the actual games), the 2004 ALCS, so many epic games for my nearly 60 years and none of them ompare.
I remember hearing the score on the radio that the US was down 3-2 before I start watching the game. I turned off the radio after that and didn't know the result when watching. Got to be the most exciting hockey game. Of course, they have to win the final too. That was another come back win. I don't know if that was the birth of the "U.S.A." chant. I never heard the chant like that everywhere before that. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 23, 2023 8:53:18 GMT
And those who weren't around in 1980 don't realize that, as huge as the Miracle was, it wasn't on live for America. It was played at 5:30 pm and shown at 8 pm on ABC. But we got to watch it live here because we got Canadian TV stations. Every relative we had across the country was calling and asking "Did the Americans win?" and my father would say the same thing "Guess you'll have to wait until 8 to find out.".
It was winter but I swear you could hear the entire neighborhood and all of Buffalo scream for joy when the game was over. My mother crying like a little girl and even my father had moist eyeballs. There will never be anything like that again. A big reason was that Americans did NOT expect to win. There was no fucking way these college kids could beat the Russians. Hell, they lost 10-3 in an exhibition that could have been 30-3. Eruzione's goal and those last 10 minutes was the apex of sports in my life. Seen a lot of great things after, the four SB (well, up to the actual games), the 2004 ALCS, so many epic games for my nearly 60 years and none of them ompare.
I remember hearing the score on the radio that the US was down 3-2 before I start watching the game. I turned off the radio after that and didn't know the result when watching. Got to be the most exciting hockey game. Of course, they have to win the final too. That was another come back win. I don't know if that was the birth of the "U.S.A." chant. I never heard the chant like that everywhere before that. The one thing we didn't hear was Al Michael's iconic "Do you believe in miracles..." line. The closer the clock got to 0:00, the more nerve wracking it got. It would have been heartbreaking to see the Soviets score in the last minute. The last minute, we were all yelling "clear it, clear it!" every time the Russians had it in the Americans zone. At six seconds, the US did clear the puck past the blue line. You can hear the other announcer, Ken Dryden, yell "THAT'S IT!" and we all yelled deliriously. So loudly than we never heard Al Michaels. The US did have to come back to beat Finland, but the final score was 4-2,so the last couple minutes didn't have the drama.
People, to this day, don't realize how talented the Russians were at that time. In the next big tournament, the 1981 Canada Cup, the Russians tore through it like Grant through Richmond. They tied Czechoslovakia 1-1 (the Czechs were good, some had them favored to win the Gold in 1980) and then blitzed everyone else. Beat Canada 8-1 in the final. A Canada team with Wayne Gretzky, Mike Bossy, Gilbert Perrault, Guy LaFleur ...
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 23, 2023 20:29:49 GMT
I wonder if they could sneak in a 3 game series for the finale.
I also wonder, they'd probably get stronger buzz in more baseball engaged cities like Boston or St. Louis? Would they ever try that, mid March??
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Mar 23, 2023 20:56:43 GMT
I wonder if they could sneak in a 3 game series for the finale. I also wonder, they'd probably get stronger buzz in more baseball engaged cities like Boston or St. Louis? Would they ever try that, mid March?? I heard someone else say that they should consider moving it to November. It’s really not all that cold in November in New York or Boston. You can get some freak snowstorms and freezing weather. Most of the time though it’s around 50. I think they could pull off games in the north east or even a place like St. Louis in November. The problem is it’s right after the MLB playoffs. Not sure how up the players will be for it in November after just having played a whole season. I personally think February would be a good month for it. It wouldn’t directly impact spring training (so much). They could even expand the series to the entire month (start around the 1st and finish around the 28th). The players would also have had 3-4 months to recoup. Obviously though if they did it in February places like Boston and St. Louis would be eliminated. |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 23, 2023 21:12:05 GMT
I wonder if they could sneak in a 3 game series for the finale. I also wonder, they'd probably get stronger buzz in more baseball engaged cities like Boston or St. Louis? Would they ever try that, mid March?? I think a three game final is needed. No baseball competition ends in a winner take all game. This isn't soccer.
I've seen some people think that baseball in the Summer Olympics will be another WBC. It's back as an Olympic sport, not in 2024 but in 2028. But there's no fucking way that MLB will shut down a season for the Olympics. I very much doubt NPB would, the Japanese pro leagues are too big.
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Post by NJtoTX on Mar 23, 2023 22:34:43 GMT
I remember hearing the score on the radio that the US was down 3-2 before I start watching the game. I turned off the radio after that and didn't know the result when watching. Got to be the most exciting hockey game. Of course, they have to win the final too. That was another come back win. I don't know if that was the birth of the "U.S.A." chant. I never heard the chant like that everywhere before that. The one thing we didn't hear was Al Michael's iconic "Do you believe in miracles..." line. The closer the clock got to 0:00, the more nerve wracking it got. It would have been heartbreaking to see the Soviets score in the last minute. The last minute, we were all yelling "clear it, clear it!" every time the Russians had it in the Americans zone. At six seconds, the US did clear the puck past the blue line. You can hear the other announcer, Ken Dryden, yell "THAT'S IT!" and we all yelled deliriously. So loudly than we never heard Al Michaels. The US did have to come back to beat Finland, but the final score was 4-2,so the last couple minutes didn't have the drama.
People, to this day, don't realize how talented the Russians were at that time. In the next big tournament, the 1981 Canada Cup, the Russians tore through it like Grant through Richmond. They tied Czechoslovakia 1-1 (the Czechs were good, some had them favored to win the Gold in 1980) and then blitzed everyone else. Beat Canada 8-1 in the final. A Canada team with Wayne Gretzky, Mike Bossy, Gilbert Perrault, Guy LaFleur ...
I think I watched the last 5 minutes or so and was pretty excited, but not crazy excited. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 24, 2023 16:03:42 GMT
I wonder if they could sneak in a 3 game series for the finale. I also wonder, they'd probably get stronger buzz in more baseball engaged cities like Boston or St. Louis? Would they ever try that, mid March?? I think a three game final is needed. No baseball competition ends in a winner take all game. This isn't soccer.
I've seen some people think that baseball in the Summer Olympics will be another WBC. It's back as an Olympic sport, not in 2024 but in 2028. But there's no fucking way that MLB will shut down a season for the Olympics. I very much doubt NPB would, the Japanese pro leagues are too big.
Re. Olympics, I don't think that's a good idea. Olympic hosts aren't always going to be locally interested in baseball, & having best on best outside playing in front of 2500 fans would be a bad look. |
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