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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 27, 2023 19:57:25 GMT
As already noted, here you are, time after time, regularly painting women in a sexist manner and victim blaming, which unpleasantness actually matters quite a bit, if for the wrong reasons. I see just above you were having a pop at trans people too. Not a good look. And Amy has just as much a right to free speech and opinions as you. She just wants all of her rights. Please post your medical history on this board so that we see whose damned business it is. Would it be sexist to say to a man sexual actions have consequences? Is it victim blaming to tell the man he shouldn't have had sex if he doesn't want to pay child support for 18 years? If only you had said either of these things up until now your moral proscriptions would have seemed more balanced.. but these are two more reasons for abortion rights being restored - to save irresponsible men from the consequences of their actions.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 27, 2023 22:57:28 GMT
Would it be sexist to say to a man sexual actions have consequences? Is it victim blaming to tell the man he shouldn't have had sex if he doesn't want to pay child support for 18 years? If only you had said either of these things up until now your moral proscriptions would have seemed more balanced.. but these are two more reasons for abortion rights being restored - to save irresponsible men from the consequences of their actions.
So you're admitting that contrary to what the pro-abort crowd has tried to peddle for years, abortion is NOT taking responsibility for your actions, it's escaping from your responsibility.
And recent years have clearly shown allowing grown ass adults to wimp out on their responsibilities, does not end well for anybody. Let killers go free because they shouldn't have their lives ruined for 1, 2, 10 'accidents', etc. Graduate students who can't even read their diplomas because the teachers want to continue getting paid without doing any additional work. Fire middle aged white men for not being diverse enough and only worry if there are enough women and minorities to fill checkboxes instead of if they're actually qualified to build a sub vessel with adequate safety features, or be wilderness firefighters, etc. Oh yeah and how many men are allowed to walk away from their kids with zero expectations of financial aid?
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Post by amyghost on Jul 27, 2023 23:35:16 GMT
You failed this one when you made slavery equivalent to abortion. Sorry. I can't even begin to take such analogies seriously.
In both cases:
Someone else decided it was okay to dehumanize an entire group of people for looking different than them
They decided those people were their own PROPERTY that they could do with whatever they wanted Since they decided those people were NOT human beings, NOT people, just their property, it wasn't murder to kill them
The only difference is slaves had a chance to run away, they had a chance to escape
Do you have any notion of how silly that sounds?
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Post by amyghost on Jul 27, 2023 23:37:34 GMT
Because the child is then an individual human life. Sorry, but I do not believe that a six-week old embryo (and I emphasize the word embryo as opposed to fetus, because there is a distinct and relative medical difference) holds claim to that status; at that point it is still an appendage of the host mother and does not, to my way of thinking, claim the rights of the post-birth being.
If people think a 12 week ban on abortion is SOOOOOOOO strict and extreme and unfair...HOW many women are getting one when they're SIX WEEKS along?
Why do you care? Why would you feel getting an abortion at six weeks is so much worse than getting one at twelve weeks? The way your rhetorical question is worded, that would appear to be your feeling on it.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 27, 2023 23:48:00 GMT
In both cases:
Someone else decided it was okay to dehumanize an entire group of people for looking different than them
They decided those people were their own PROPERTY that they could do with whatever they wanted Since they decided those people were NOT human beings, NOT people, just their property, it wasn't murder to kill them
The only difference is slaves had a chance to run away, they had a chance to escape
Do you have any notion of how silly that sounds?
You want to counter argue with a straight face that slaves and/or babies have always been regarded as humans/people with the same rights as everybody else and anybody who ever harmed either of them always went to jail for violating their civil rights?
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 27, 2023 23:49:42 GMT
If people think a 12 week ban on abortion is SOOOOOOOO strict and extreme and unfair...HOW many women are getting one when they're SIX WEEKS along?
Why do you care? Why would you feel getting an abortion at six weeks is so much worse than getting one at twelve weeks? The way your rhetorical question is worded, that would appear to be your feeling on it.
Actually I'm saying since you think so many women get an abortion at 6 weeks, then that should be the new limit, obviously 12 weeks was chicken feed, we can make it stricter and the majority of women won't be inconvenienced at all, would they?
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Post by amyghost on Jul 27, 2023 23:59:35 GMT
Why do you care? Why would you feel getting an abortion at six weeks is so much worse than getting one at twelve weeks? The way your rhetorical question is worded, that would appear to be your feeling on it.
Actually I'm saying since you think so many women get an abortion at 6 weeks, then that should be the new limit, obviously 12 weeks was chicken feed, we can make it stricter and the majority of women won't be inconvenienced at all, would they?
Again, why should you care?
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Post by amyghost on Jul 28, 2023 0:02:53 GMT
Do you have any notion of how silly that sounds?
You want to counter argue with a straight face that slaves and/or babies have always been regarded as humans/people with the same rights as everybody else and anybody who ever harmed either of them always went to jail for violating their civil rights?
A six week embryo is not a 'baby' in the sense you're trying to employ the word. If you're arguing that they are with a straight face, you're dopier than I gave you credit for. Sorry. The analogy between embryonic organisms and slaves doesn't hold up no matter how indignant you try to sound about it.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 28, 2023 0:14:13 GMT
You want to counter argue with a straight face that slaves and/or babies have always been regarded as humans/people with the same rights as everybody else and anybody who ever harmed either of them always went to jail for violating their civil rights?
A six week embryo is not a 'baby' in the sense you're trying to employ the word. If you're arguing that they are with a straight face, you're dopier than I gave you credit for. Sorry. The analogy between embryonic organisms and slaves doesn't hold up no matter how indignant you try to sound about it.
'embryonic organisms', yeah we know a lot of dehumanized terms that were made up for black people too so it was more socially acceptable to kill them. Care to use those as well?
And you're the one that came up with the magic 6 week number. I wonder why? Do you want to argue there's no difference in 6 weeks and 6 months? How about 9 months?
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Post by amyghost on Jul 28, 2023 0:25:22 GMT
A six week embryo is not a 'baby' in the sense you're trying to employ the word. If you're arguing that they are with a straight face, you're dopier than I gave you credit for. Sorry. The analogy between embryonic organisms and slaves doesn't hold up no matter how indignant you try to sound about it.
'embryonic organisms', yeah we know a lot of dehumanized terms that were made up for black people too so it was more socially acceptable to kill them. Care to use those as well?
And you're the one that came up with the magic 6 week number. I wonder why? Do you want to argue there's no difference in 6 weeks and 6 months? How about 9 months?
It's an embryo, and it's an organism, as we're all organisms. Really...try not to press down on the emotionalist pedal so hard. You're not good at it. Six weeks is actually the 'magic number' the conservatives appear to be so attuned to. Abortions at the late stages you're flinging around are for medical reasons. A woman 9 months pregnant cannot simply go to a doctor and request an abortion on the grounds of caprice. Sorry, hon, but that's a fact--unlike those videos.
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Post by djorno on Jul 28, 2023 0:29:37 GMT
You want to counter argue with a straight face that slaves and/or babies have always been regarded as humans/people with the same rights as everybody else and anybody who ever harmed either of them always went to jail for violating their civil rights?
A six week embryo is not a 'baby' in the sense you're trying to employ the word. If you're arguing that they are with a straight face, you're dopier than I gave you credit for. Sorry. The analogy between embryonic organisms and slaves doesn't hold up no matter how indignant you try to sound about it. Does it really matter? A 6 week old embryo and a 6 month old baby are both living human beings, at different stages of their human development. The only difference is a 6 month old baby hasn’t had it’s life cruelly cut short. The only way pro-choicers try to get around that is to argue about personhood which is a completely subjective and self-serving basis.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 28, 2023 20:20:56 GMT
If only you had said either of these things up until now your moral proscriptions would have seemed more balanced.. but these are two more reasons for abortion rights being restored - to save irresponsible men from the consequences of their actions. So you're admitting that contrary to what the pro-abort crowd has tried to peddle for years, abortion is NOT taking responsibility for your actions, it's escaping from your responsibility.
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