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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 20, 2023 20:59:03 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2023 0:01:02 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2023 0:02:50 GMT
I wonder how many pregnant women have called an abortion clinic to schedule a spontaneous abortion.
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Post by jackbrock on Jul 21, 2023 0:51:09 GMT
Am I being punk'd? Even if we define a miscarriage as a "spontaneous abortion" (lol) you can't schedule spontaneity. I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people? The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still....
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2023 1:00:45 GMT
Am I being punk'd? Even if we define a miscarriage as a "spontaneous abortion" (lol) you can't schedule spontaneity. I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people? The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still.... You said there were quite a few pregnant women who have scheduled miscarriages at abortion clinics.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 21, 2023 1:06:45 GMT
Am I being punk'd? Even if we define a miscarriage as a "spontaneous abortion" (lol) you can't schedule spontaneity. I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people?The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still.... If your computer search history contains 'how to cause a miscarriage' right before you just happen to have one, they will.
Sans that search, *what* causes miscarriages? Would you like to answer?
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Post by jackbrock on Jul 21, 2023 1:12:15 GMT
I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people?The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still.... If your computer search history contains 'how to cause a miscarriage' right before you just happen to have one, they will.
Sans that search, *what* causes miscarriages? Would you like to answer?
Don't be lazy. Look it up
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Post by jackbrock on Jul 21, 2023 1:13:11 GMT
I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people? The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still.... You said there were quite a few pregnant women who have scheduled miscarriages at abortion clinics. Yeah. Pretty much.
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Post by Admin on Jul 21, 2023 1:23:55 GMT
You said there were quite a few pregnant women who have scheduled miscarriages at abortion clinics. Yeah. Pretty much. If it's scheduled, it's not a miscarriage.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 21, 2023 19:01:02 GMT
I wonder how many pregnant women have called an abortion clinic to schedule a spontaneous abortion. I imagine there will be quite a bit of accidental confusion as the new prohibitions bed in
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 21, 2023 19:02:26 GMT
I am not trying to punk you. It's true you can't schedule something like a spontaneous abortion, but they happen. How come the religious right doesn't get all freaky on those people?The police can charge you if you accidently kill someone with your car. Not as serious as doing it on purpose, but still.... If your computer search history contains 'how to cause a miscarriage' right before you just happen to have one, they will.
Sans that search, *what* causes miscarriages? Would you like to answer?
God of course!
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 21, 2023 19:40:17 GMT
If your computer search history contains 'how to cause a miscarriage' right before you just happen to have one, they will.
Sans that search, *what* causes miscarriages? Would you like to answer?
God of course!
That's the oh so scientific explanation?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 21, 2023 20:05:16 GMT
I'll take it back from you Both you and Phludowin need to look up the definition of an abortion which is "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy". In my part of the world women are only pregnant for 9 months. So your exchange is nonsense and, medically, meaningless. Phludowin said "My personal opinion is that a person has rights.. has expectations for the present and future" But Novastar said, specifically - and this is what I wanted substantiated - that, "According to pro-choice people, a fully formed baby in the womb has no rights" so he is wrong in the exchange you reference, as Phludowin plainly says the opposite; he is not the example, any words about infanticide notwithstanding. What is allowed in the UK, and one imagines in other countries, after the exercise of due safeguards, is indeed the withdrawal of care for non-viable (eg brain dead) children. In Novatar's original fun facts he also says "According to pro-choice people, a fully formed baby in the womb has no rights because it hasn't passed the birth canal" which is not the same as that 'post-birth abortion' but still needs clarification. It is not pro-choice people but the settled law, here at least. ie In UK law a foetus doesn’t have rights. An unborn baby doesn’t become a separate person with legal rights until they are born and draw breath by themselves. www.birthrights.org.uk/factsheets/human-rights-in-maternity-care/#unbornhumanrights%22]%20https://www.birthrights.org.uk/factsheets/human-rights-in-maternity-care/#unbornhumanrights%22]https://www.birthrights.org.uk/factsheets/human-rights-in-maternity-care/#unbornhumanrights[/i][/url] Moreover under European law, a foetus is generally regarded as an in utero part of the mother and thus its rights are held by the mother. The European Court of Human Rights opined that the right to life does not extend to foetuses under Article 2 of the European Convention on Human Rights. In fact Most international human rights charters clearly reject claims that human rights should attach from conception or any time before birth. While international human rights instruments lack a universal inclusion of the fetus as a person for the purposes of human rights, the foetus is granted various rights in the constitutions and civil codes of several countries. So Novastar is aiming at the wrong target and apparently unaware of much international law. It is not just "pro choice people" (even if we so casually equate abortion with withdrawal of care when born), but a much wider caucus of laws and countries, so Novastar is inaccurate and selective here too. As for, further, being "according to their 'science' that makes a foetus not alive, not a person, and not even human." This concatenation is still unsubstantiated, especially when talking of "pro choice people" in general sounding like more wild exaggeration, just as I said back then. Islamic law, btw, typically grants the foetus the right to life particularly after ensoulment, which according to various Islamic jurists happens only after 40–42 days or four months after conception en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_rights#:~:text=Every%20human%20being%20shall%20have,from%20the%20moment%20of%20conception.&text=The%20unborn%20shall%20be%20considered,the%20limits%20established%20by%20law. Neither has it been shown that "New York legalized aborting that fully formed baby in the womb ON the day of birth." Such an idea is ripped from the Trump playbook, since in a 2019 rally he accused New York lawmakers of cheering for “legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother’s womb moments before birth” and then said Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam “would execute a baby after birth." As one might expect from such a source (and as I have shown re: Northam) it is also nonsense. Matters are further addressed here where we read "If a woman’s health or life is at risk and the foetus is viable, delivery is pursued, not abortion." edition.cnn.com/2019/02/06/health/late-term-abortion-explainer/index.htmlWith Northam as I have shown, the viability or not of the foetus would be the deciding factor.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 21, 2023 20:16:56 GMT
That's the oh so scientific explanation?
God is never a scientific explanation.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 21, 2023 20:48:04 GMT
That's the oh so scientific explanation?
God is never a scientific explanation.
So you're admitting pro-abortion arguments don't come from science.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 21, 2023 20:53:16 GMT
God is never a scientific explanation.
So you're admitting pro-abortion arguments don't come from science.
You are doing that strawman thing again. I was replying to your question about miscarriages. For one so fond of sarcasm it is ironic that you don't recognise it. But since you don't seem to know it's thought most miscarriages are caused by abnormal chromosomes in the baby. Chromosomes are genetic "building blocks" that guide the development of a baby. If a baby has too many or not enough chromosomes, it will not develop properly. Of course your supposed deity created the processes responsible and allows many miscarriages, did it not? But if that doesn't happen you can always bash your child against the rocks. Abortions btw are sometimes done on medical advice concerning the health and welfare of the mother, or the viability of the foetus, which yes, can involve science. I hope that helps.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 21, 2023 23:06:18 GMT
So you're admitting pro-abortion arguments don't come from science.
You are doing that strawman thing again. I was replying to your question about miscarriages. For one so fond of sarcasm it is ironic that you don't recognise it. But since you don't seem to know it's thought most miscarriages are caused by abnormal chromosomes in the baby. Chromosomes are genetic "building blocks" that guide the development of a baby. If a baby has too many or not enough chromosomes, it will not develop properly. Of course your supposed deity created the processes responsible and allows many miscarriages, did it not? But if that doesn't happen you can always bash your child against the rocks. Abortions btw are sometimes done on medical advice concerning the health and welfare of the mother, or the viability of the foetus, which yes, can involve science. I hope that helps.
So a woman Googling 'how to cause a miscarriage' is only going to find 'impossible, they're only caused by chromosome abnormalities, something beyond any human control/intervention'?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 22, 2023 9:46:27 GMT
You are doing that strawman thing again. I was replying to your question about miscarriages. For one so fond of sarcasm it is ironic that you don't recognise it. But since you don't seem to know it's thought most miscarriages are caused by abnormal chromosomes in the baby. Chromosomes are genetic "building blocks" that guide the development of a baby. If a baby has too many or not enough chromosomes, it will not develop properly. Of course your supposed deity created the processes responsible and allows many miscarriages, did it not? But if that doesn't happen you can always bash your child against the rocks. Abortions btw are sometimes done on medical advice concerning the health and welfare of the mother, or the viability of the foetus, which yes, can involve science. I hope that helps.
So a woman Googling 'how to cause a miscarriage' is only going to find 'impossible, they're only caused by chromosome abnormalities, something beyond any human control/intervention'?
A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a foetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among women who know they are pregnant, about 10% to 25% will have a miscarriage. Drug and alcohol abuse, clotting disorders, exposure to environmental toxins, hormone problems, infection, overweight, physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs, problem with the body's immune response serious body-wide (systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes) and smoking can all be contributory causes. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions. Although having said that, while it is common for many people to think of miscarriage and abortion as entirely separate matters, doctors say that medically the distinction isn’t always so clear: for instance after people who miscarry, they often need an abortion procedure to protect their health. I hope that helps. As Jack Brock has told you already, don't be lazy. Look things up. But as you are writing with a sarcastic anti feminist agenda, you won't.
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Post by novastar6 on Jul 22, 2023 13:00:35 GMT
So a woman Googling 'how to cause a miscarriage' is only going to find 'impossible, they're only caused by chromosome abnormalities, something beyond any human control/intervention'?
A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a foetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among women who know they are pregnant, about 10% to 25% will have a miscarriage. Drug and alcohol abuse, clotting disorders, exposure to environmental toxins, hormone problems, infection, overweight, physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs, problem with the body's immune response serious body-wide (systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes) and smoking can all be contributory causes. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions. Although having said that, while it is common for many people to think of miscarriage and abortion as entirely separate matters, doctors say that medically the distinction isn’t always so clear: for instance after people who miscarry, they often need an abortion procedure to protect their health. I hope that helps. As Jack Brock has told you already, don't be lazy. Look things up. But as you are writing with a sarcastic anti feminist agenda, you won't.
So you lied when you said miscarriages are just spontaneous abortions. Or do you expect us to believe during an abortion all that happens is the chromosomes become abnormal?
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Post by jackbrock on Jul 22, 2023 13:55:19 GMT
So a woman Googling 'how to cause a miscarriage' is only going to find 'impossible, they're only caused by chromosome abnormalities, something beyond any human control/intervention'?
A miscarriage is the spontaneous loss of a foetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. Around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among women who know they are pregnant, about 10% to 25% will have a miscarriage. Drug and alcohol abuse, clotting disorders, exposure to environmental toxins, hormone problems, infection, overweight, physical problems with the mother's reproductive organs, problem with the body's immune response serious body-wide (systemic) diseases in the mother (such as uncontrolled diabetes) and smoking can all be contributory causes. Pregnancy losses after the 20th week are called stillbirths. Miscarriage is a naturally occurring event, unlike medical or surgical abortions. Although having said that, while it is common for many people to think of miscarriage and abortion as entirely separate matters, doctors say that medically the distinction isn’t always so clear: for instance after people who miscarry, they often need an abortion procedure to protect their health. I hope that helps. As Jack Brock has told you already, don't be lazy. Look things up. But as you are writing with a sarcastic anti feminist agenda, you won't. It's a waste of time arguing with these people like novastar. Getting them to see common sense is a lost cause. You can't even get her to answer a basic question - like when i asked about people who shoot doctors who perform abortions.
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