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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 24, 2023 2:36:36 GMT
"And if..." but that is not the case, both Breaking Bad and The Wire told long form storytelling in the span of five seasons of television and were critically acclaimed right from the start. So, your argument doesn't work - like, at all. You would have a better time using examples of actual other mini-series for your argument, but of course if you did so you wouldn't be able to bait people into an endless trap of a debate. Actually, it took the Wire until towards the end of its first season to get any kind of acclaim. Before then the complains were how slow and generic it was. Breaking Bad basically was a miniseries in its first season and it didn't get good viewership at all. It's frankly a miracle it was renewed.
In fact, today it wouldn't get renewed
Secret Invasion is never going to be another Breaking Bad or The Wire. The next episode is the last episode and there will be no second season. Any plot threads that are left will be explored in different Marvel Studios productions. The people behind Breaking Bad and The Wire had five seasons to find their footing, improve on their work, and grow an audience. The same cannot be said for Secret Invasion because the creatives only set out to make six episodes, and the audience was already built-in from Marvel being one of the top brands in the world, and...Not a lot of the people who made the Marvel Cinematic Universe a cultural footprint are watching the program. This should be a hit, but it isn't, and the only ones to blame is Marvel Studios for not making a better product.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 24, 2023 2:45:38 GMT
The She-Hulk comic books I have read are neither misandrist in their storytelling or cynical in their humor, so I disagree. However, it is quite amusing that you agree with me that the series was pretentious when you argued that it wasn't. "but considering how so many were determined to hate the show before it debuted and were against its very existence this reaction isn't surprising" - I am pretty sure I was only referring to me, so your generalization is foolish. There was nothing misandrist in the TV show, just certain folks getting mad that Bruce wasn't the real lead character and Jen was secondary to him.
As pretentious as anything Deadpool ever did. But he's a white male so he gets away with it.
Doesn't change how easily single people, you included, can get sucked onto the bandwagon.
No amount of shallow virtue signaling, and fallacious argument is going to erase your uh-oh from earlier. It's there, on the internet. Own it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 24, 2023 16:01:44 GMT
Actually, it took the Wire until towards the end of its first season to get any kind of acclaim. Before then the complains were how slow and generic it was. Breaking Bad basically was a miniseries in its first season and it didn't get good viewership at all. It's frankly a miracle it was renewed.
In fact, today it wouldn't get renewed
Secret Invasion is never going to be another Breaking Bad or The Wire. The next episode is the last episode and there will be no second season. Any plot threads that are left will be explored in different Marvel Studios productions. The people behind Breaking Bad and The Wire had five seasons to find their footing, improve on their work, and grow an audience. The same cannot be said for Secret Invasion because the creatives only set out to make six episodes, and the audience was already built-in from Marvel being one of the top brands in the world, and...Not a lot of the people who made the Marvel Cinematic Universe a cultural footprint are watching the program. This should be a hit, but it isn't, and the only ones to blame is Marvel Studios for not making a better product. And I'm saying that if BB and the Wire were 1 season series like this, they wouldn't have been acclaimed either based on their first seasons alone.
No, the show was getting the stink eye right from inception thanks to all the Anti-Fans who came out of hiding after Endgame because they were waiting for any excuse to start up a Hater Bandwagon. That and D+ not being easily available for all viewers didn't help.
Put BB and The Wire S1 against that, neither would have made it passed 1 season either.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 24, 2023 16:02:43 GMT
There was nothing misandrist in the TV show, just certain folks getting mad that Bruce wasn't the real lead character and Jen was secondary to him.
As pretentious as anything Deadpool ever did. But he's a white male so he gets away with it.
Doesn't change how easily single people, you included, can get sucked onto the bandwagon.
No amount of shallow virtue signaling, and fallacious argument is going to erase your uh-oh from earlier. It's there, on the internet. Own it. You use Boogeyman words like "Virtue Signaling", you lose credibility.
I said nothing of the sort, despite your distortions. If She-Hulk is pretentious, so is Deadpool.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 25, 2023 4:36:18 GMT
Secret Invasion is never going to be another Breaking Bad or The Wire. The next episode is the last episode and there will be no second season. Any plot threads that are left will be explored in different Marvel Studios productions. The people behind Breaking Bad and The Wire had five seasons to find their footing, improve on their work, and grow an audience. The same cannot be said for Secret Invasion because the creatives only set out to make six episodes, and the audience was already built-in from Marvel being one of the top brands in the world, and...Not a lot of the people who made the Marvel Cinematic Universe a cultural footprint are watching the program. This should be a hit, but it isn't, and the only ones to blame is Marvel Studios for not making a better product. And I'm saying that if BB and the Wire were 1 season series like this, they wouldn't have been acclaimed either based on their first seasons alone.
No, the show was getting the stink eye right from inception thanks to all the Anti-Fans who came out of hiding after Endgame because they were waiting for any excuse to start up a Hater Bandwagon. That and D+ not being easily available for all viewers didn't help.
Put BB and The Wire S1 against that, neither would have made it passed 1 season either.
My, someone is really desperate to get some kind of over-the-top reaction out of a person.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 25, 2023 4:39:23 GMT
No amount of shallow virtue signaling, and fallacious argument is going to erase your uh-oh from earlier. It's there, on the internet. Own it. You use Boogeyman words like "Virtue Signaling", you lose credibility.
I said nothing of the sort, despite your distortions. If She-Hulk is pretentious, so is Deadpool.
In Jaws (1975) Roy Schieder doesn't say "we're gonna need a bigger boat", he says "you're gonna need a bigger boat."
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 25, 2023 12:22:35 GMT
You use Boogeyman words like "Virtue Signaling", you lose credibility.
I said nothing of the sort, despite your distortions. If She-Hulk is pretentious, so is Deadpool.
In Jaws (1975) Roy Schieder doesn't say "we're gonna need a bigger boat", he says "you're gonna need a bigger boat." Yes and in Empire Strikes Back, Vader says "No, I am your Father" not "Luke, I am your Father".
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 25, 2023 13:50:11 GMT
Falling from grace, I watch it all come apart Knowing I could've changed it all from the start Fighting myself, I always lose Fighting myself, I always lose
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Post by Sam Raimi on Jul 25, 2023 17:02:45 GMT
I’ve heard people say this is a new low for the MCU. It’s crazy how the expansion to tv has been such a complete train wreck.
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Post by pennypacker on Jul 25, 2023 17:09:13 GMT
Honestly, 10 pages on a show I’ve heard nothing about in real life is pretty impressive.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 25, 2023 17:12:45 GMT
I’ve heard people say this is a new low for the MCU. It’s crazy how the expansion to tv has been such a complete train wreck. The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU.
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Post by Cat on Jul 25, 2023 19:47:19 GMT
I’ve heard people say this is a new low for the MCU. It’s crazy how the expansion to tv has been such a complete train wreck. The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU. I've never seen it but by virtue of being on ABC it seems beholden to a larger audience. The Disney + shows don't feel as mainstream or accessible as they should. I get Disney + has a lot of subscribers but it doesn't feel like a place where everyone can meet in the middle. I think it's starting to show that these shows are for a Disney + audience.
Maybe it's my imagination but I feel like it's affecting the content because the box it has to fit into feels smaller.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 25, 2023 21:37:59 GMT
The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU. I've never seen it but by virtue of being on ABC it seems beholden to a larger audience. The Disney + shows don't feel as mainstream or accessible as they should. I get Disney + has a lot of subscribers but it doesn't feel like a place where everyone can meet in the middle. I think it's starting to show that these shows are for a Disney + audience. Maybe it's my imagination but I feel like it's affecting the content because the box it has to fit into feels smaller.
What i meant was is that Agents of Shield was treated as a side project set in the MCU that didn't have any major effects for the movies or even the upcoming films. It added some additional world building and continued a few things that the films set up (like the Hydra and Shield war) but it was never a requirement to watch. The Disney+ shows are starting to look like it's going to be required to watch them now.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 25, 2023 23:00:25 GMT
I’ve heard people say this is a new low for the MCU. It’s crazy how the expansion to tv has been such a complete train wreck. The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU. Taken in its entirety, AOS is a far better show than any of the D+ shows. Also impressive is how it managed to promote diversity and female empowerment without it ever feeling preachy.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 26, 2023 5:56:35 GMT
The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU. Taken in its entirety, AOS is a far better show than any of the D+ shows. Also impressive is how it managed to promote diversity and female empowerment without it ever feeling preachy. I miss the series, I wish it was treated better.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 26, 2023 7:34:15 GMT
Taken in its entirety, AOS is a far better show than any of the D+ shows. Also impressive is how it managed to promote diversity and female empowerment without it ever feeling preachy. I miss the series, I wish it was treated better. It's probably the most MCU-like Marvel show around. The balance of humor, action, heart and character development is pretty much at home with the peak of MCU success. I really wish the MCU had just made it canon and absorbed it into their bigger universe.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 26, 2023 10:53:19 GMT
Guys i think Feige doesn't care anymore. Maybe it's time to retire the MCU? The only two highlights of this series for me was their take on the Super Skrulls, with using the DNA of the Avengers, Thanos and his Black Order and various of other characters and creatures from previous films was a cool way to bring it full circle.
The ending montage of the world being paranoid and killing people because they think they're a skrull. This should have been the premise of the series. This is DCEU level of bad. There's no post credit scene.
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Post by Cat on Jul 26, 2023 18:25:36 GMT
I've never seen it but by virtue of being on ABC it seems beholden to a larger audience. The Disney + shows don't feel as mainstream or accessible as they should. I get Disney + has a lot of subscribers but it doesn't feel like a place where everyone can meet in the middle. I think it's starting to show that these shows are for a Disney + audience. Maybe it's my imagination but I feel like it's affecting the content because the box it has to fit into feels smaller.
What i meant was is that Agents of Shield was treated as a side project set in the MCU that didn't have any major effects for the movies or even the upcoming films. It added some additional world building and continued a few things that the films set up (like the Hydra and Shield war) but it was never a requirement to watch. The Disney+ shows are starting to look like it's going to be required to watch them now. I agree. That's an issue I have with them too. Subscriptions to Disney + feel very coerced if one wants to stay up to date with that universe. I liked all the Netflix MCU series'. I've seen one whole season (the first season) of Agent Carter and none of Agents of SHIELD, but never did I get the impression I had to watch the shows to understand the movies.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 26, 2023 22:32:14 GMT
Didn’t the finale of She-Hulk make fun of precisely the kind of thing Secret Invasion just did with its finale? Maybe people were too harsh on that show…
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 27, 2023 1:38:01 GMT
The sad thing is that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, while not a perfect series, would have been a better Disney+ series and perfect companion show for the MCU. Taken in its entirety, AOS is a far better show than any of the D+ shows. Also impressive is how it managed to promote diversity and female empowerment without it ever feeling preachy. You're kidding, right? People kept complaining about Daisy for like 2 seasons.
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