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Post by Skaathar on Jul 27, 2023 2:03:10 GMT
Taken in its entirety, AOS is a far better show than any of the D+ shows. Also impressive is how it managed to promote diversity and female empowerment without it ever feeling preachy. You're kidding, right? People kept complaining about Daisy for like 2 seasons. Prove it or it didn't happen.
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Post by Cat on Jul 27, 2023 2:35:21 GMT
It felt messy to me. I liked watching G'iah kick a bit of ass but the finale felt anticlimactic. Gravik's breakdown seemed unearned. I liked the cat and mouse at the hospital but Rhodes got popped without witnessing his exposure as a Skrull. Don't know why Fury went back into space, or what any of this means besides having a president even more petty than the UN.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 27, 2023 2:38:25 GMT
From what I can remember, some people found Skye to be a bit annoying in the first season of Agents of SHIELD, but when they established there was a lot more to her background than believed and there was a mystery surrounding who she really was and what abilities she had not only had the writing shown improvement, but people began to be more engaged by the character. And, in the second season when she was revealed to be Daisy Johnson aka Quake and therefore an Inhuman that dropped many jaws (in a positive way) and from then on, she became one of the most popular characters in the series.
On a side note, apparently there were thinking of bringing Chloe Bennet back as the character, variant or the same version from Agents of SHIELD, for Secret Invasion, but they cut it out in the end. Really disappointing, but that's par the course for this series. I find it odd that the series finale aired today and it's barely a trending topic on all social media. Disney needs a serious reworking behind the scenes, too many things have been mismanaged and they are bleeding too much money that they will never make back. Seriously, a new Marvel Studios television series starring Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury should be doing high numbers, Indiana Jones should be on its way to cracking a billion at the box office, and this year's Star Wars celebration should have pulled in larger viewership. It doesn't look swell in the near future I should add, as Haunted Mansion is looking to get sucker punched by Barbie, kicked in the shin by Oppenheimer. (and I wouldn't be surprised if Sound of Freedom smacks it with a bat as a finishing technique)
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 27, 2023 13:43:36 GMT
You're kidding, right? People kept complaining about Daisy for like 2 seasons. Prove it or it didn't happen. You're forgetting how she was called a Mary Sue in the first 2 seasons.
But then again the "fans" do that to any woman who isn't a useless shrieking damsel these days.
I'm not surprised Indy isn't doing better, it's an outdated series.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 27, 2023 14:37:35 GMT
Prove it or it didn't happen. You're forgetting how she was called a Mary Sue in the first 2 seasons.
But then again the "fans" do that to any woman who isn't a useless shrieking damsel these days.
I'm not surprised Indy isn't doing better, it's an outdated series.
Prove it or it didn't happen.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 27, 2023 15:33:39 GMT
Any complaints about Skye during season 1 stopped after Chloe Bennett did that scene where she was in her underwear.
I remember how horny the Agents of Shield board got for her after that episode aired.
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Post by Cat on Jul 27, 2023 18:06:06 GMT
So if anyone's watching the show, it seems to me like the big bad turned out to be Nick Fury. The message in the end seemed to be it's easier to exploit the Skrulls than welcome them to Earth.
Maybe this was supposed to spark a debate about whether that's right or wrong, but Fury and his knowing-better ways believes it's easier to save the lives of people than change their minds. He's not completely wrong, i.e. it is an opinion on the spectrum of opinions, but it means he's a gatekeeper for the status quo. There's no proper channels for how to settle them and he'll be damned if he invents them. Easier to exploit them.
There's no endgame for peace under Fury's direction. The Skrulls weren't settled; they were drafted, and Fury has the nerve to say humanity will never accept them so this is the better way, but what he means is he'll never accept them. Don't let his marriage fool you; his wife can't even wear her real skin most of the time. No wonder Fury thinks humanity is bigoted. It starts at home and he can't even look his wife in the eye without her human face on.
Fury didn't come across well at all. It's difficult to like him when he exploited refugees for their abilities while never intending to resettle them. There's no proper channels for how to settle them and he'll be damned if he invents them. Easier to exploit their abilities to pad his accomplishments.
It's ironic because when Fury was pleading with Rhodes to have a heart in episode 2, he might as well have been arguing with the man he used to be.
Boo hiss.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 27, 2023 18:18:51 GMT
Any complaints about Skye during season 1 stopped after Chloe Bennett did that scene where she was in her underwear. I remember how horny the Agents of Shield board got for her after that episode aired. Besides, by the mid-seasons Daisy Johnson became the most loved character in that show. Talk about character development. She's arguably the best developed female character in Marvel shows/movies.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 27, 2023 21:02:38 GMT
You're kidding, right? People kept complaining about Daisy for like 2 seasons. Prove it or it didn't happen. There is as much proof of its existence as there is for his degree in psychiatry and medical license.
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Post by Cat on Jul 27, 2023 22:10:21 GMT
Prove it or it didn't happen. There is as much proof of its existence as there is for his degree in psychiatry and medical license. Haven't watched the shows, but generally, yes, agreed. There is essentially no data for arguments like this. It's who remembers what from what comment section, half of it being out of context and even more of it being not binding in the slightest. You could argue literally anything if your argument is 'that's what I remember people saying!'.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 28, 2023 1:20:24 GMT
You're forgetting how she was called a Mary Sue in the first 2 seasons.
But then again the "fans" do that to any woman who isn't a useless shrieking damsel these days.
I'm not surprised Indy isn't doing better, it's an outdated series.
Prove it or it didn't happen. https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Off the top of my head. There's a lot of revisionism going on though.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 28, 2023 1:22:09 GMT
Prove it or it didn't happen. There is as much proof of its existence as there is for his degree in psychiatry and medical license. https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Of course, most of this is people owning up years later after calling her a Sue for the first 2 years and saying "Okay, we were young and angry. Give us a break."
Oh and your Grifter buddies jumped on the Barbie hate-train. Why am I not surprised?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2023 1:28:21 GMT
Prove it or it didn't happen. https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Off the top of my head. There's a lot of revisionism going on though.
If you actually read that thread, you'll notice that there were only 2-3 people who complained Daisy was a Mary Sue. Everyone else in the thread stated that she WASN'T a Mary Sue.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2023 2:35:13 GMT
There is as much proof of its existence as there is for his degree in psychiatry and medical license. https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Of course, most of this is people owning up years later after calling her a Sue for the first 2 years and saying "Okay, we were young and angry. Give us a break."
Oh and your Grifter buddies jumped on the Barbie hate-train. Why am I not surprised?
Desperate to get a reaction, aren't we?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 28, 2023 13:48:46 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Off the top of my head. There's a lot of revisionism going on though.
If you actually read that thread, you'll notice that there were only 2-3 people who complained Daisy was a Mary Sue. Everyone else in the thread stated that she WASN'T a Mary Sue. Yes, which shows the hypocrisy because they're the same lot who all condemned her right off the bat and came around later. Which means they can't stick to their guns.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 28, 2023 13:49:09 GMT
https://www.reddit.com/r/shield/comments/4geoqw/mary_sue/
Of course, most of this is people owning up years later after calling her a Sue for the first 2 years and saying "Okay, we were young and angry. Give us a break."
Oh and your Grifter buddies jumped on the Barbie hate-train. Why am I not surprised?
Desperate to get a reaction, aren't we? No, I'm sticking to my guns about Grifters.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 28, 2023 14:01:51 GMT
For the record I hated Agents of SHIELD all the way through.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 28, 2023 14:49:06 GMT
Guys i think Feige doesn't care anymore. Maybe it's time to retire the MCU? The only two highlights of this series for me was their take on the Super Skrulls, with using the DNA of the Avengers, Thanos and his Black Order and various of other characters and creatures from previous films was a cool way to bring it full circle.
The ending montage of the world being paranoid and killing people because they think they're a skrull. This should have been the premise of the series. This is DCEU level of bad. There's no post credit scene. I think there's some kind of metacommentary to be found in all of this. I think Marvel Studios has been infiltrated by people who actually hate the MCU, it's really the only explanation for phase four and five. Almost everything has been terrible, the train has come completely off the tracks now. Secret Invasion is hands down the worst thing Marvel Studios has done. At least She-Hulk was open farce, this show was attempting to take itself seriously (I think?). It ruined the character of Nick Fury, who's as OG as it gets in the MCU. It killed off Maria Hill for no good reason (also Talos and Soren), and made us ask why we should invest in the characters who are left. How long were Rhodey and Everett Ross skrulls? (I'm asking because I'd like to know which of their previous appearances I shouldn't give a shit about anymore.) Who cares about the next Captain Marvel movie (or any Marvel movie at this point) when we know G'iah is running around with all of their powers combined? Why do we need heroes at all? 'The Harvest' is like something a 9 year old would come up with. "Dude, imagine a character had everyone's powers!!!" It's beyond dumbfounding. Superman sucks for the same reason, which is why the only way anyone has done anything interesting with that character type is to make him a villain. I guess we have to hope for a villain turn from G'iah, which defeats the entire purpose of this show. And I have a better question. Why did G'iah give Gravik the harvest? She already had it, her sole purpose for showing up was to kill him. I don't even know why she bothered disguising herself as Fury, let alone why she would administer Gravik the super drug that makes him as powerful as she is. (We can also get into how they even knew who most of the characters were, much less what their powers were or how to use them effectively.) More importantly, who thought this was how you end an espionage thriller? So much nonsense in this series. Why is Fury a helpless idiot all of the sudden, it's never really explained. Why the hell was he married? The thing that makes Fury Fury is that he'd sell out his mother if he thought it was for the greater good. The guy lies to the Avengers to get them to fight a battle he isn't sure they could win, he was on board with Project Insight, which was basically a fledgling Minority Report assassination program, until he was locked out of the controls. Suddenly the guy had a wife, a wife he isn't willing to kill when he finds out she's a double agent?! It deballed him and turned him into a chump. Rare is the backstory that makes a character less compelling, but this show found a way to make it happen. I also don't understand the big deal with his intelligence coming from the skrulls. It's a "spymaster's" job to be informed, to work his sources, to put the right people into the right places at the right time. That network was functioning exactly as it should-- well except for the whole '90% of SHIELD is actually Hydra' thing, the show never really explained how the hell that one got by the ultimate spy network. And Fury definitely should've thrown it back in Talos's face. But that would've required actual thought behind the writing. I will say the only bright spots of this show were the performances of Olivia Colman and Kingsley Ben-Adir. He killed it in that final speech, to the point where it felt out of place because everything else was such a trainwreck. Olivia Colman was a delight all around, I'd like to see more of her character going forward. Also, Don Cheadle deserves a tip of the cap for playing a character trying to be another character played by him. How do you do a slightly off impression of yourself? Job well done, which only makes the 'How long has he been a skrull' question even worse, because he sure seemed like himself in every appearance before this. Gripes more of the nitpick variety: - The people waking up from their captivity and casually unhooking themselves and going about their business, as if they just woke up in a slightly awkward position after napping in the passenger seat on a long ride. They don't wonder why they're hooked into some apparatus with a bunch of other people. - The scene of Fury and his wife by the ship at the end. That awkward long goodbye-- before they both get on the ship together. What the fuck? - Exactly who runs the space station, and who is it affiliated with? This show never explains how Fury got such a high-profile position after faking his death in TWS. Who is he with up there, and who does he answer to? - The show spent its budget on the garbage CGI brawl at the end (which is the spoof ending She-Hulk parodied on her show), which for budgetary concerns, forced the entire skrull plan to hinge on about eight guys surrounding the president at the end. Gee, how was a superspy going to overcome that? I could go on forever, but the show just isn't worth it. Top to bottom it's the worst MCU project to date, and it leads into their next film, where Fury features heavily in the marketing. Oof. I cannot believe this show exists. Disney needs to stop making these shows, they're killing the franchise. Feige and company are officially in deep shit.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2023 15:15:03 GMT
If you actually read that thread, you'll notice that there were only 2-3 people who complained Daisy was a Mary Sue. Everyone else in the thread stated that she WASN'T a Mary Sue. Yes, which shows the hypocrisy because they're the same lot who all condemned her right off the bat and came around later. Which means they can't stick to their guns. Again, prove it or it didn't happen. Looks like you're just making stuff up.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2023 15:15:44 GMT
For the record I hated Agents of SHIELD all the way through. I thought it was better than DD. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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