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Post by Skaathar on Jul 28, 2023 15:26:19 GMT
Guys i think Feige doesn't care anymore. Maybe it's time to retire the MCU? The only two highlights of this series for me was their take on the Super Skrulls, with using the DNA of the Avengers, Thanos and his Black Order and various of other characters and creatures from previous films was a cool way to bring it full circle.
The ending montage of the world being paranoid and killing people because they think they're a skrull. This should have been the premise of the series. This is DCEU level of bad. There's no post credit scene. I think there's some kind of metacommentary to be found in all of this. I think Marvel Studios has been infiltrated by people who actually hate the MCU, it's really the only explanation for phase four and five. Almost everything has been terrible, the train has come completely off the tracks now. Secret Invasion is hands down the worst thing Marvel Studios has done. At least She-Hulk was open farce, this show was attempting to take itself seriously (I think?). It ruined the character of Nick Fury, who's as OG as it gets in the MCU. It killed off Maria Hill for no good reason (also Talos and Soren), and made us ask why we should invest in the characters who are left. How long were Rhodey and Everett Ross skrulls? (I'm asking because I'd like to know which of their previous appearances I shouldn't give a shit about anymore.) Who cares about the next Captain Marvel movie (or any Marvel movie at this point) when we know G'iah is running around with all of their powers combined? Why do we need heroes at all? 'The Harvest' is like something a 9 year old would come up with. "Dude, imagine a character had everyone's powers!!!" It's beyond dumbfounding. Superman sucks for the same reason, which is why the only way anyone has done anything interesting with that character type is to make him a villain. I guess we have to hope for a villain turn from G'iah, which defeats the entire purpose of this show. And I have a better question. Why did G'iah give Gravik the harvest? She already had it, her sole purpose for showing up was to kill him. I don't even know why she bothered disguising herself as Fury, let alone why she would administer Gravik the super drug that makes him as powerful as she is. (We can also get into how they even knew who most of the characters were, much less what their powers were or how to use them effectively.) More importantly, who thought this was how you end an espionage thriller? So much nonsense in this series. Why is Fury a helpless idiot all of the sudden, it's never really explained. Why the hell was he married? The thing that makes Fury Fury is that he'd sell out his mother if he thought it was for the greater good. The guy lies to the Avengers to get them to fight a battle he isn't sure they could win, he was on board with Project Insight, which was basically a fledgling Minority Report assassination program, until he was locked out of the controls. Suddenly the guy had a wife, a wife he isn't willing to kill when he finds out she's a double agent?! It deballed him and turned him into a chump. Rare is the backstory that makes a character less compelling, but this show found a way to make it happen. I also don't understand the big deal with his intelligence coming from the skrulls. It's a "spymaster's" job to be informed, to work his sources, to put the right people into the right places at the right time. That network was functioning exactly as it should-- well except for the whole '90% of SHIELD is actually Hydra' thing, the show never really explained how the hell that one got by the ultimate spy network. And Fury definitely should've thrown it back in Talos's face. But that would've required actual thought behind the writing. I will say the only bright spots of this show were the performances of Olivia Colman and Kingsley Ben-Adir. He killed it in that final speech, to the point where it felt out of place because everything else was such a trainwreck. Olivia Colman was a delight all around, I'd like to see more of her character going forward. Also, Don Cheadle deserves a tip of the cap for playing a character trying to be another character played by him. How do you do a slightly off impression of yourself? Job well done, which only makes the 'How long has he been a skrull' question even worse, because he sure seemed like himself in every appearance before this. Gripes more of the nitpick variety: - The people waking up from their captivity and casually unhooking themselves and going about their business, as if they just woke up in a slightly awkward position after napping in the passenger seat on a long ride. They don't wonder why they're hooked into some apparatus with a bunch of other people. - The scene of Fury and his wife by the ship at the end. That awkward long goodbye-- before they both get on the ship together. What the fuck? - Exactly who runs the space station, and who is it affiliated with? This show never explains how Fury got such a high-profile position after faking his death in TWS. Who is he with up there, and who does he answer to? - The show spent its budget on the garbage CGI brawl at the end (which is the spoof ending She-Hulk parodied on her show), which for budgetary concerns, forced the entire skrull plan to hinge on about eight guys surrounding the president at the end. Gee, how was a superspy going to overcome that? I could go on forever, but the show just isn't worth it. Top to bottom it's the worst MCU project to date, and it leads into their next film, where Fury features heavily in the marketing. Oof. I cannot believe this show exists. Disney needs to stop making these shows, they're killing the franchise. Feige and company are officially in deep shit. I've only watched the first episode so far, but I've always thought that this last few phases of the MCU seem like they were written by people who were trying to sabotage the characters. At the very least, they seemed like they were trying their best to disrespect the characters, especially the more OG characters.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 28, 2023 15:42:28 GMT
For the record I hated Agents of SHIELD all the way through. I thought it was better than DD. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) The bright spot for AoS for me was the Ghost Rider storyline. I barely remember anything else. I liked some of the characters. Mack, Coulson, May. Mack was probably my favorite character on the show. Everyone else was annoying and the stories became less interesting as the show went on. Ward's turn during the original Hydra run was decent, then they brought him and Hydra back like nine more times. It felt like the stakes were lowered with each season. They're inside the Matrix, then they escape and go to some alternate future in space. I didn't care about any of it. Much as I didn't like the show, I do think it's a slap in the face to everyone who worked on it that it hasn't been acknowledged at all by the greater MCU. It featured Nick Fury and Maria Hill in cameos, didn't it? By all means, bring back Adrianne Palicki as Mockingbird! I wouldn't mind seeing some of those AoS characters again, albeit with better writers. But the way things are going in the MCU right now, the better writers must live somewhere else in the multiverse.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 28, 2023 19:17:50 GMT
Desperate to get a reaction, aren't we? No, I'm sticking to my guns about Grifters. A wise woman said it best, "Sure, Jan."
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 29, 2023 0:39:04 GMT
I quite enjoyed it, though that last fight was kind of stupid.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 1:15:35 GMT
Guys i think Feige doesn't care anymore. Maybe it's time to retire the MCU? The only two highlights of this series for me was their take on the Super Skrulls, with using the DNA of the Avengers, Thanos and his Black Order and various of other characters and creatures from previous films was a cool way to bring it full circle.
The ending montage of the world being paranoid and killing people because they think they're a skrull. This should have been the premise of the series. This is DCEU level of bad. There's no post credit scene. 'The Harvest' is like something a 9 year old would come up with. "Dude, imagine a character had everyone's powers!!!" It's beyond dumbfounding. Superman sucks for the same reason, which is why the only way anyone has done anything interesting with that character type is to make him a villain. I guess we have to hope for a villain turn from G'iah, which defeats the entire purpose of this show. And I have a better question. Why did G'iah give Gravik the harvest? She already had it, her sole purpose for showing up was to kill him. I don't even know why she bothered disguising herself as Fury, let alone why she would administer Gravik the super drug that makes him as powerful as she is. (We can also get into how they even knew who most of the characters were, much less what their powers were or how to use them effectively.) More importantly, who thought this was how you end an espionage thriller? So much nonsense in this series. Why is Fury a helpless idiot all of the sudden, it's never really explained. Why the hell was he married? The thing that makes Fury Fury is that he'd sell out his mother if he thought it was for the greater good. The guy lies to the Avengers to get them to fight a battle he isn't sure they could win, he was on board with Project Insight, which was basically a fledgling Minority Report assassination program, until he was locked out of the controls. Suddenly the guy had a wife, a wife he isn't willing to kill when he finds out she's a double agent?! It deballed him and turned him into a chump. Rare is the backstory that makes a character less compelling, but this show found a way to make it happen. I also don't understand the big deal with his intelligence coming from the skrulls. It's a "spymaster's" job to be informed, to work his sources, to put the right people into the right places at the right time. That network was functioning exactly as it should-- well except for the whole '90% of SHIELD is actually Hydra' thing, the show never really explained how the hell that one got by the ultimate spy network. And Fury definitely should've thrown it back in Talos's face. But that would've required actual thought behind the writing. I will say the only bright spots of this show were the performances of Olivia Colman and Kingsley Ben-Adir. He killed it in that final speech, to the point where it felt out of place because everything else was such a trainwreck. Olivia Colman was a delight all around, I'd like to see more of her character going forward. Also, Don Cheadle deserves a tip of the cap for playing a character trying to be another character played by him. How do you do a slightly off impression of yourself? Job well done, which only makes the 'How long has he been a skrull' question even worse, because he sure seemed like himself in every appearance before this. Gripes more of the nitpick variety: - The people waking up from their captivity and casually unhooking themselves and going about their business, as if they just woke up in a slightly awkward position after napping in the passenger seat on a long ride. They don't wonder why they're hooked into some apparatus with a bunch of other people. - The scene of Fury and his wife by the ship at the end. That awkward long goodbye-- before they both get on the ship together. What the fuck? - Exactly who runs the space station, and who is it affiliated with? This show never explains how Fury got such a high-profile position after faking his death in TWS. Who is he with up there, and who does he answer to? - The show spent its budget on the garbage CGI brawl at the end (which is the spoof ending She-Hulk parodied on her show), which for budgetary concerns, forced the entire skrull plan to hinge on about eight guys surrounding the president at the end. Gee, how was a superspy going to overcome that? I could go on forever, but the show just isn't worth it. Top to bottom it's the worst MCU project to date, and it leads into their next film, where Fury features heavily in the marketing. Oof. I cannot believe this show exists. Disney needs to stop making these shows, they're killing the franchise. Feige and company are officially in deep shit. Uh...the Super Skrull is right out of the comics, have been around for about 60 years. Kind of weird to complain about that.
Why was Fury helpless? Because it makes for a better plot than the guy already knowing everything.
Why is he married? Why Not?
Hydra is just that good, and by the time of this series it wouldn't have mattered to their arguments.
Why were those people okay waking up? Because MCU Earth has been dealing with this stuff for over a decade, they're used to it.
They're having a marital talk, it happens.
We'll find out later.
You DO know that's more or less how the comic version went right? The Secret Invasion comic story came down to a fistfight.
Really, it sounds like you're just ashamed of the comics.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 1:15:57 GMT
Yes, which shows the hypocrisy because they're the same lot who all condemned her right off the bat and came around later. Which means they can't stick to their guns. Again, prove it or it didn't happen. Looks like you're just making stuff up. Some of them STILL complaining she was a Mary Sue all these years later is proof enough.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 1:16:28 GMT
No, I'm sticking to my guns about Grifters. A wise woman said it best, "Sure, Jan." Midnight's Edge is using Boogeyman Words like "Woke" when talking about Barbie. How shallow can you get?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 1:18:40 GMT
Again, prove it or it didn't happen. Looks like you're just making stuff up. Some of them STILL complaining she was a Mary Sue all these years later is proof enough. Yes, SOME people were complaining. If you're claiming that a few people dislike Daisy then you won't get any disagreement from me. But if you're going to claim that a good number of people were complaining about her, then you'll need to do better than a 7 yr old reddit thread showing 2-3 people complaining and the vast majority defending her. So which is it? Is it a few people complaining or a good number of people complaining?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 1:39:09 GMT
Some of them STILL complaining she was a Mary Sue all these years later is proof enough. Yes, SOME people were complaining. If you're claiming that a few people dislike Daisy then you won't get any disagreement from me. But if you're going to claim that a good number of people were complaining about her, then you'll need to do better than a 7 yr old reddit thread showing 2-3 people complaining and the vast majority defending her. So which is it? Is it a few people complaining or a good number of people complaining? forums.primetimer.com/topic/302-daisy-johnson-that-is-her-name/
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2023 1:42:53 GMT
'The Harvest' is like something a 9 year old would come up with. "Dude, imagine a character had everyone's powers!!!" It's beyond dumbfounding. Superman sucks for the same reason, which is why the only way anyone has done anything interesting with that character type is to make him a villain. I guess we have to hope for a villain turn from G'iah, which defeats the entire purpose of this show. And I have a better question. Why did G'iah give Gravik the harvest? She already had it, her sole purpose for showing up was to kill him. I don't even know why she bothered disguising herself as Fury, let alone why she would administer Gravik the super drug that makes him as powerful as she is. (We can also get into how they even knew who most of the characters were, much less what their powers were or how to use them effectively.) More importantly, who thought this was how you end an espionage thriller? So much nonsense in this series. Why is Fury a helpless idiot all of the sudden, it's never really explained. Why the hell was he married? The thing that makes Fury Fury is that he'd sell out his mother if he thought it was for the greater good. The guy lies to the Avengers to get them to fight a battle he isn't sure they could win, he was on board with Project Insight, which was basically a fledgling Minority Report assassination program, until he was locked out of the controls. Suddenly the guy had a wife, a wife he isn't willing to kill when he finds out she's a double agent?! It deballed him and turned him into a chump. Rare is the backstory that makes a character less compelling, but this show found a way to make it happen. I also don't understand the big deal with his intelligence coming from the skrulls. It's a "spymaster's" job to be informed, to work his sources, to put the right people into the right places at the right time. That network was functioning exactly as it should-- well except for the whole '90% of SHIELD is actually Hydra' thing, the show never really explained how the hell that one got by the ultimate spy network. And Fury definitely should've thrown it back in Talos's face. But that would've required actual thought behind the writing. I will say the only bright spots of this show were the performances of Olivia Colman and Kingsley Ben-Adir. He killed it in that final speech, to the point where it felt out of place because everything else was such a trainwreck. Olivia Colman was a delight all around, I'd like to see more of her character going forward. Also, Don Cheadle deserves a tip of the cap for playing a character trying to be another character played by him. How do you do a slightly off impression of yourself? Job well done, which only makes the 'How long has he been a skrull' question even worse, because he sure seemed like himself in every appearance before this. Gripes more of the nitpick variety: - The people waking up from their captivity and casually unhooking themselves and going about their business, as if they just woke up in a slightly awkward position after napping in the passenger seat on a long ride. They don't wonder why they're hooked into some apparatus with a bunch of other people. - The scene of Fury and his wife by the ship at the end. That awkward long goodbye-- before they both get on the ship together. What the fuck? - Exactly who runs the space station, and who is it affiliated with? This show never explains how Fury got such a high-profile position after faking his death in TWS. Who is he with up there, and who does he answer to? - The show spent its budget on the garbage CGI brawl at the end (which is the spoof ending She-Hulk parodied on her show), which for budgetary concerns, forced the entire skrull plan to hinge on about eight guys surrounding the president at the end. Gee, how was a superspy going to overcome that? I could go on forever, but the show just isn't worth it. Top to bottom it's the worst MCU project to date, and it leads into their next film, where Fury features heavily in the marketing. Oof. I cannot believe this show exists. Disney needs to stop making these shows, they're killing the franchise. Feige and company are officially in deep shit. Uh...the Super Skrull is right out of the comics, have been around for about 60 years. Kind of weird to complain about that.
It's funny, I would've bet my life this was going to be your response. The Super Skrull in the comics has the powers of the FF, not the powers of every superhuman in the MCU. It's idiotic. Almost as idiotic as your posts. Brilliant responses all around. "Why? Why not?" Don't bother replying to me anymore. I'm more convinced than ever that you're trolling, and either way you're the dumbest fuck on this site, hands down. Your commentary cannot be taken seriously. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 29, 2023 2:10:55 GMT
formersamhmd must not have liked the series very much given how starved they are for entertainment.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 2:39:31 GMT
Yes, SOME people were complaining. If you're claiming that a few people dislike Daisy then you won't get any disagreement from me. But if you're going to claim that a good number of people were complaining about her, then you'll need to do better than a 7 yr old reddit thread showing 2-3 people complaining and the vast majority defending her. So which is it? Is it a few people complaining or a good number of people complaining? forums.primetimer.com/topic/302-daisy-johnson-that-is-her-name/Dude, do you even read these random threads you post? Because there was very little negative posts about Skye in there. Majority of the conversation revolved around figuring out Daisy's backstory. What little negative posts there were about Daisy were vastly outnumbered by the posts claiming they liked her. So again I ask: Are you claiming that a monority of people disliked Daisy or are you claiming a majority of people disliked Daisy?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 14:37:54 GMT
Uh...the Super Skrull is right out of the comics, have been around for about 60 years. Kind of weird to complain about that.
It's funny, I would've bet my life this was going to be your response. The Super Skrull in the comics has the powers of the FF, not the powers of every superhuman in the MCU. It's idiotic. Almost as idiotic as your posts. Brilliant responses all around. "Why? Why not?" Don't bother replying to me anymore. I'm more convinced than ever that you're trolling, and either way you're the dumbest fuck on this site, hands down. Your commentary cannot be taken seriously. Good luck to you in your future endeavors. So predictably you wigged out because I brought up how this is similar to the comics.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 29, 2023 14:38:39 GMT
Dude, do you even read these random threads you post? Because there was very little negative posts about Skye in there. Majority of the conversation revolved around figuring out Daisy's backstory. What little negative posts there were about Daisy were vastly outnumbered by the posts claiming they liked her. So again I ask: Are you claiming that a monority of people disliked Daisy or are you claiming a majority of people disliked Daisy? There's enough in there to justify the stance that folks called her a Mary Sue for years. A lot of revisionism after of course once they realized they were being hypocrites.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 15:02:37 GMT
Dude, do you even read these random threads you post? Because there was very little negative posts about Skye in there. Majority of the conversation revolved around figuring out Daisy's backstory. What little negative posts there were about Daisy were vastly outnumbered by the posts claiming they liked her. So again I ask: Are you claiming that a monority of people disliked Daisy or are you claiming a majority of people disliked Daisy? There's enough in there to justify the stance that folks called her a Mary Sue for years. A lot of revisionism after of course once they realized they were being hypocrites. So you're trying to justify that a few folks called her a Mary Sue? Because that's pretty much all you're proving so far.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 29, 2023 15:45:20 GMT
Well I don't doubt some dumbasses out there called Skye/Daisy a Mary Sue, mostly because no one really knows the real meaning behind that word and it became popular because a bunch of paint eaters found the page about it on urban dictionary and started abusing it, I think it's pretty clear that she became one of the most liked female characters that Marvel produced for the MCU.
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Post by pennypacker on Jul 29, 2023 15:51:43 GMT
There's enough in there to justify the stance that folks called her a Mary Sue for years. A lot of revisionism after of course once they realized they were being hypocrites. So you're trying to justify that a few folks called her a Mary Sue? Because that's pretty much all you're proving so far. He really latches on to any criticism from anyone and holds on to it forever…
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 29, 2023 16:59:18 GMT
It's funny, I would've bet my life this was going to be your response. The Super Skrull in the comics has the powers of the FF, not the powers of every superhuman in the MCU. It's idiotic. Almost as idiotic as your posts. Brilliant responses all around. "Why? Why not?" Don't bother replying to me anymore. I'm more convinced than ever that you're trolling, and either way you're the dumbest fuck on this site, hands down. Your commentary cannot be taken seriously. Good luck to you in your future endeavors. So predictably you wigged out because I brought up how this is similar to the comics. It's not like the comics at all. Was there a Super Skrull that duplicated like 50 different characters' powers at once? No, there wasn't. You never make any valid points. "Why? Why not?" I explained why not in the post you replied to, you just couldn't come up with an argument. Are you trolling or are you really this stupid? I'll let you decide.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 29, 2023 17:13:53 GMT
Well I don't doubt some dumbasses out there called Skye/Daisy a Mary Sue, mostly because no one really knows the real meaning behind that word and it became popular because a bunch of paint eaters found the page about it on urban dictionary and started abusing it, I think it's pretty clear that she became one of the most liked female characters that Marvel produced for the MCU. Daisy Johnson is actually a good case study for anyone who wants to write a strong female character that ISN'T a Mary Sue. Too many people throw around the Mary Sue title without really understanding what it is.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 30, 2023 2:09:20 GMT
There's enough in there to justify the stance that folks called her a Mary Sue for years. A lot of revisionism after of course once they realized they were being hypocrites. So you're trying to justify that a few folks called her a Mary Sue? Because that's pretty much all you're proving so far. Enough, and that it happened at all says a lot.
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