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Post by novastar6 on Jan 9, 2024 5:07:51 GMT
And most rapists don't regret what they do, so that makes it good, or at the very least NOT horrible?
What is it with you and rapists? You keep mentioning this.
So do baby killers, oh ALL abortion needs to be legal because 'rape'! Don't put ANY restrictions on abortion because 'rape!'
But fine, we'll use another example. Josef Mengele was responsible for the murders of 400,000 people in the concentration camps, and he didn't regret it, nor, according to his son, was he operating under any false pretenses of accomplishing 'good' with his work. So since he didn't regret it, does that mean it should've been legal?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 9, 2024 12:36:14 GMT
We're back to 'If God is real then life should be perfect'. No, we're back to the Problem of Evil, in a example especially pertinent to those who worship a deity who deliberately creates what is deemed natural evil and yet you are loathe to hold God to account for it. Something I have not seem claimed here at all, but go on... Again, not something claimed here at all by me, hardly surprising as I do not condemn abortions either, unlike you and your ilk. All I do is reference the words of their scripture to hold the hypocrisy of believers to account. What is being said is that your God admits to creating natural evil (or 'misfortune'), of which miscarriage can be taken as an example. Other Christians, as I have shown, honestly admit the obvious: that "spontaneous miscarriages are in God’s hands." Yes I do - and in fact when you said this before I replied point by point. It turned out that you were unable to provide any substantiation. The difference is when the miscarriage happens, duh. If the foetus can theoretically exist apart from the mother then yes logically it is an individual person, a point in fact at which many states make abortion much harder, if legal at all. Do you really think every abortion or miscarriage kills a 'person' and 'innocent little baby'? Cells, during the early weeks of pregnancy, as we have seen illustrated, cannot reasonably be called 'people' or 'babies' otherwise, for instance a death certificate would be issued and graveyards would be full of little petri dishes.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 9, 2024 23:01:34 GMT
What is it with you and rapists? You keep mentioning this.
So do baby killers, oh ALL abortion needs to be legal because 'rape'! Don't put ANY restrictions on abortion because 'rape!'
But fine, we'll use another example. Josef Mengele was responsible for the murders of 400,000 people in the concentration camps, and he didn't regret it, nor, according to his son, was he operating under any false pretenses of accomplishing 'good' with his work. So since he didn't regret it, does that mean it should've been legal?
Still on the rapist thing I see. So if a 13 y/o girl gets raped and become pregnant as a result, was it her fault that she got pregnant because she wasn't on the pill? What if she was Catholic? Never mind, you would condemn her to Hell either way. As for Mengele - I like the way you go so far off topic - technically it was legal when he was doing it under German law at the time. It became illegal when Germany lost the war. Had they won, it would still be legal. The difference between him and abortion doctors is that Mengele killed humans and abortion doctors are merely removing human tissue. Just so you don't get any wrong ideas, the Holocaust was morally repugnant.
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 0:12:17 GMT
I see. That's quite the dilemma you have there. Either know the mind of God, or know nothing about him (presumably because there's nothing to know, amirite). We've been through this before. Scripture tells us that only the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God while yes, I remember in a previous exchange you indeed use the God Works in Mysterious Ways defence though you put it off as long as possible. Since most abortions are done for known reasons, as already mentioned (and evidenced) it is not really likely to be a mystery. A woman may want confidentiality of course. In the case of the presumed deity it is a common cop out since it is often a cover to explain actions which on the face of it, or to a reasonable objective observer, are either contradictory, illogical or goes against the notion of a just and good God. Such as admitting to the deliberate creation of such a natural evil as miscarriages. I am neither God nor the Holy Spirit, therefore I'm no more or less qualified to speak for him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me. That's what you should have remembered from that previous exchange. If it isn't a cop-out to say you work in mysterious ways when I don't know why you do something, then it isn't a cop-out to say the same about anyone. To hold God as an exception is to engage in special pleading. If you understand this, then there's a good chance you also understand that when you ask someone to speak for God, you're asking them to speculate.
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 0:13:37 GMT
I didn't say anyone has. I said they can.. I am not sure that anyone can get an abortion just on the basis that the foetus is helpless, although novastar was, typically more assertive in this claim than you. I can't check every jurisdiction, but I am confident that the acceptable reasons for an abortion being granted are not for hatred of the defenceless for being so. So perhaps you can link to anywhere where this can be a reason. Evasion will be noted this time, too. www.verywellhealth.com/reasons-for-abortion-906589It is no mystery btw that I support some sensible and reasonable restrictions on abortion, so none of this is controversial. A Step-by-Step Guide to AbortionHere are the 5 steps to getting an abortion: www.plannedparenthood.org/abortion-checklistNone of those steps require giving a reason, let alone an acceptable one.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 10, 2024 1:06:59 GMT
I am neither God nor the Holy Spirit, therefore I'm no more or less qualified to speak for him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me. And yet, here you are, now apparently speaking for all of us, humans and the alleged deity lol... First off, comparing humans to a supreme being is, arguably, a category error. In the case of the deity too He is also expected to be the ultimate in justice and love (which no human is) and since many based their life beliefs around such an entity with claims to maximal omniscience and omnipotence, and with scripture putting His case, there is much stronger imperative in being rigorous in asking reasonable questions of what we are asked to believe. Second, we are discussing the God wildcard fallacy, the name for the use of divine mystery to excuse errors in logic. www.seekfind.net/God_Wildcard_Fallacy.html As we know it can also be used to conveniently explain away when the deity would otherwise reasonably be judged immoral or perverse, things not otherwise be comfortably accommodated within the Christian belief system. (The principal alternative defence btw is Command Theory, the belief that things are right or justified just because God commands them to be.) Thirdly, all gods are held to be exceptions in many ways by their adherent and followers. So yes, if we do want to equate the Almighty to what we ask of humans after all, to hold God as an exception is indeed to engage in special pleading, and I am glad we can agree. Which, when all is said and done, is the most common logical fallacy used by apologists, who routinely create double standards for their God. In which case all of scripture, which is inspired by God apparently, and thus speaks for Him since it is not His direct word, is pure speculation. And speculation is often wrong. But, say "I can't comment on why God has ordered the massacres of the past, for that would just be speculation" if I heard that excuse, would sound very weak.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 10, 2024 1:18:43 GMT
I am not sure that anyone can get an abortion just on the basis that the foetus is helpless, although novastar was, typically more assertive in this claim than you. I can't check every jurisdiction, but I am confident that the acceptable reasons for an abortion being granted are not for hatred of the defenceless for being so. So perhaps you can link to anywhere where this can be a reason. Evasion will be noted this time, too. www.verywellhealth.com/reasons-for-abortion-906589It is no mystery btw that I support some sensible and reasonable restrictions on abortion, so none of this is controversial. A Step-by-Step Guide to AbortionHere are the 5 steps to getting an abortion: www.plannedparenthood.org/abortion-checklistNone of those steps require giving a reason, let alone an acceptable one. Actually it is more than requiring a suitable reason is just not mentioned while "because I hate the defenceless", an inhumane reason which only exists in Novastar's head. would probably affect your service. Obviously I can't speak for everywhere, but "The Abortion Act 1967 made abortion legal as long as specific criteria are met. This is why during your assessment we have a legal duty to ask why you are considering an abortion. In order to comply with the law, we’ll ask for your reasons for wanting an abortion Abortion law criteria The Abortion Act 1967 states that an abortion is legal ... on one (or more) of the following grounds (with each needing to agree that at least one and the same ground is met): (a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or (b) that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or (c) that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or (d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped." I don't think "because I hate the defenceless" will wash.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 10, 2024 1:26:43 GMT
Obviously I can't speak for everywhere, but "The Abortion Act 1967 made abortion legal as long as specific criteria are met. This is why during your assessment we have a legal duty to ask why you are considering an abortion. In order to comply with the law, we’ll ask for your reasons for wanting an abortion Abortion law criteria The Abortion Act 1967 states that an abortion is legal ... on one (or more) of the following grounds (with each needing to agree that at least one and the same ground is met): (a) that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or (b) that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or (c) that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or (d) that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped." I don't think "because I hate the defenceless" will wash. Gees, it seems the standard for getting an abortion is greater than getting cosmetic plastic surgery (Doc, I really want one and I have lots of money) or antibiotics for a viral infection (antibiotics are useless against viral infections).
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 2:18:11 GMT
I am neither God nor the Holy Spirit, therefore I'm no more or less qualified to speak for him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me. And yet, here you are, now apparently speaking for all of us, humans and the alleged deity lol... Perhaps you don't know what it means to speak for someone. You need to adjust your aim because nothing I've said requires biblical support. Without speculation, can you tell me why has God ordered the massacres of the past?
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Post by Admin on Jan 10, 2024 2:19:17 GMT
"The Abortion Act 1967 made abortion legal as long as specific criteria are met. This is why during your assessment we have a legal duty to ask why you are considering an abortion.I'm not sure who "we" are, but it doesn't seem to include Planned Parenthood. Maybe you can find someone who was denied an abortion despite it being legal and affordable.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 10, 2024 13:32:29 GMT
Perhaps you don't know what it means to speak for someone. Make your mind up. Either your deity is inscrutable and moves in mysterious ways (your previous defence), or you're no more or less qualified to speak for Him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me, when presumably we both know what it is to speak for someone. The fall back on that 'God moves in mysterious ways' and that you agreed that you are 'not the Holy Spirit', just earlier itself are by their nature biblical ones. As an atheist that is not my problem. I am not speaking or apologising for a murderous and vengeful god, am I? Also at points in scripture the writers are inspired enough so that such a deity makes it clear why things are done, or after the event apologists feel confident in telling us why. EG “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If [man] does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” (Psalm 7:11-12). In the case of the infamous Canaanites massacre (men, women, children, and even animals) their utter annihilation was apparently commanded to prevent Israel from following their ways: “Lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18; also Deuteronomy 12:29-30). So that's all right then. However as had been covered before such a genocide leaves some a bad taste in the mouth when elsewhere God condemns murder outright. The impression remains - THE something which is still the point - that the inscrutable deity line remains a get-out-of-jail-free card for those who otherwise cannot reconcile what it supposedly did, and allows, with standard morality. But fortunately Command Theory means that everything that God does or commands is necessarily justified. Back to special pleading then.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 10, 2024 13:51:05 GMT
I'm not sure who "we" are, Sorry, the link ought to have been www.msichoices.org.uk/abortion/considering-an-abortion/abortion-and-your-rights/ MSI Reproductive Choices as an organisation lobbies in favour of access to abortion, and provides a variety of sexual and reproductive healthcare services including advice, vasectomies, and abortions in the UK and other countries where it is legal to do so. Here are the rules again: "Doctors may refuse an abortion if you do not meet the legal requirements for pregnancy termination in the UK or if there is a medical reason against the procedure. For example, if you are already beyond the legal limit of 24 weeks you will not be able to have an abortion. You might also be refused an abortion if your reasons for wanting one are not covered by the law. For example, abortions cannot be performed on the basis of the baby’s gender. You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family." www.132healthwise.com/can-a-doctor-refuse-an-abortion.php The point was, specifically, about wanting an abortion "just because I hate the defenceless" or whatever. Novastar's was, ultimately, a typically hyperbolic remark which I am surprised exercises you so much. In the UK, as I have amply shown, an abortion would be denied since this is not allowed under the law as a sufficient reason to proceed. QED. And as already said, just because it is not mentioned by PP does not mean questions are not asked at some point. I doubt if any jurisdiction would allow abortions without any control what so ever. It is reasonable to assume that any legislation which allows abortion would necessarily specify for what reasons it is legal, and hatred of the unborn would probably not be included. I hope that helps.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 10, 2024 19:21:58 GMT
So do baby killers, oh ALL abortion needs to be legal because 'rape'! Don't put ANY restrictions on abortion because 'rape!'
But fine, we'll use another example. Josef Mengele was responsible for the murders of 400,000 people in the concentration camps, and he didn't regret it, nor, according to his son, was he operating under any false pretenses of accomplishing 'good' with his work. So since he didn't regret it, does that mean it should've been legal?
Still on the rapist thing I see. So if a 13 y/o girl gets raped and become pregnant as a result, was it her fault that she got pregnant because she wasn't on the pill? What if she was Catholic? Never mind, you would condemn her to Hell either way. As for Mengele - I like the way you go so far off topic - technically it was legal when he was doing it under German law at the time. It became illegal when Germany lost the war. Had they won, it would still be legal. The difference between him and abortion doctors is that Mengele killed humans and abortion doctors are merely removing human tissue. Just so you don't get any wrong ideas, the Holocaust was morally repugnant.
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE?
Here's another thought, since the morning after pill is legal, RX free and $50 in every pharmacy, and every single woman in the country has it ingrained in them they WILL be raped sometime somewhere just because they're women, so they need to spend every waking minute in fear of the rape coming for them, maybe every mother of every teenage girl should keep Plan B in the house for emergencies as readily as they give their daughters condoms 'just incase'. They'd surely keep a first aid kit on hand if their 13 year old got a boo boo falling off their bike, wouldn't they?
Third, were blacks 'humans' during slavery? See, people who wanted to dehumanize them like Nazis did the Jews, and selfish people do babies, they had another word to call them by instead of 'people', instead of 'humans', and they figured because they called them this name, it actually revoked their personhood and any and all rights they may have had, so it wasn't murder to kill them, it was just people using their PROPERTY however they saw fit. And remember, it was all LEGAL back then, making people into property was legal, hanging your property from a tree when they got out of line was legal, and it didn't become illegal until a bunch of people stuck their nose where it didn't belong.
Fourth item, why did schools stop showing 6th grade students The Silent Scream in health class? Surely nobody could have a problem with teaching kids on the verge of sexual activity how removing a bunch of tissue is just a nothingburger to get upset about. Why don't schools take field trips to abortion clinics to show kids it's NO different than having a bunion removed?
Fifth, funny you call the Holocaust 'morally repugnant' when you refer to mothers killing their children as 'well we've ALL done things we regret, it makes us who we are'. So the Nazis should've just gotten a free pass since it made them who they were?
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Post by jimmyboy on Jan 11, 2024 0:45:55 GMT
Still on the rapist thing I see. So if a 13 y/o girl gets raped and become pregnant as a result, was it her fault that she got pregnant because she wasn't on the pill? What if she was Catholic? Never mind, you would condemn her to Hell either way. As for Mengele - I like the way you go so far off topic - technically it was legal when he was doing it under German law at the time. It became illegal when Germany lost the war. Had they won, it would still be legal. The difference between him and abortion doctors is that Mengele killed humans and abortion doctors are merely removing human tissue. Just so you don't get any wrong ideas, the Holocaust was morally repugnant.
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE?
Here's another thought, since the morning after pill is legal, RX free and $50 in every pharmacy, and every single woman in the country has it ingrained in them they WILL be raped sometime somewhere just because they're women, so they need to spend every waking minute in fear of the rape coming for them, maybe every mother of every teenage girl should keep Plan B in the house for emergencies as readily as they give their daughters condoms 'just incase'. They'd surely keep a first aid kit on hand if their 13 year old got a boo boo falling off their bike, wouldn't they?
Third, were blacks 'humans' during slavery? See, people who wanted to dehumanize them like Nazis did the Jews, and selfish people do babies, they had another word to call them by instead of 'people', instead of 'humans', and they figured because they called them this name, it actually revoked their personhood and any and all rights they may have had, so it wasn't murder to kill them, it was just people using their PROPERTY however they saw fit. And remember, it was all LEGAL back then, making people into property was legal, hanging your property from a tree when they got out of line was legal, and it didn't become illegal until a bunch of people stuck their nose where it didn't belong.
Fourth item, why did schools stop showing 6th grade students The Silent Scream in health class? Surely nobody could have a problem with teaching kids on the verge of sexual activity how removing a bunch of tissue is just a nothingburger to get upset about. Why don't schools take field trips to abortion clinics to show kids it's NO different than having a bunion removed?
Fifth, funny you call the Holocaust 'morally repugnant' when you refer to mothers killing their children as 'well we've ALL done things we regret, it makes us who we are'. So the Nazis should've just gotten a free pass since it made them who they were?
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE?I would think the parents would have input and would be making that decision. This sounds like the Madonna song "Papa don't preach". On your second point, some religions like the Catholics don't allow the pill. On second thought, what is it with you and victim blaming? I can see you telling a child that it's their fault for getting raped. Not surprising. I won't comment on your other points as they are too of topic, as usual.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 1:48:33 GMT
Perhaps you don't know what it means to speak for someone. Make your mind up. Either your deity is inscrutable and moves in mysterious ways (your previous defence), or you're no more or less qualified to speak for Him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me, when presumably we both know what it is to speak for someone. The fall back on that 'God moves in mysterious ways' and that you agreed that you are 'not the Holy Spirit', just earlier itself are by their nature biblical ones. As an atheist that is not my problem. I am not speaking or apologising for a murderous and vengeful god, am I? Also at points in scripture the writers are inspired enough so that such a deity makes it clear why things are done, or after the event apologists feel confident in telling us why. EG “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If [man] does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” (Psalm 7:11-12). In the case of the infamous Canaanites massacre (men, women, children, and even animals) their utter annihilation was apparently commanded to prevent Israel from following their ways: “Lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18; also Deuteronomy 12:29-30). So that's all right then. However as had been covered before such a genocide leaves some a bad taste in the mouth when elsewhere God condemns murder outright. The impression remains - THE something which is still the point - that the inscrutable deity line remains a get-out-of-jail-free card for those who otherwise cannot reconcile what it supposedly did, and allows, with standard morality. But fortunately Command Theory means that everything that God does or commands is necessarily justified. Back to special pleading then. You work in mysterious ways.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 1:56:09 GMT
I'm not sure who "we" are, Sorry, the link ought to have been www.msichoices.org.uk/abortion/considering-an-abortion/abortion-and-your-rights/ MSI Reproductive Choices as an organisation lobbies in favour of access to abortion, and provides a variety of sexual and reproductive healthcare services including advice, vasectomies, and abortions in the UK and other countries where it is legal to do so. Here are the rules again: "Doctors may refuse an abortion if you do not meet the legal requirements for pregnancy termination in the UK or if there is a medical reason against the procedure. For example, if you are already beyond the legal limit of 24 weeks you will not be able to have an abortion. You might also be refused an abortion if your reasons for wanting one are not covered by the law. For example, abortions cannot be performed on the basis of the baby’s gender. You can only have a termination in the UK if there is a risk to the mental or physical wellbeing of you, the foetus or your family." www.132healthwise.com/can-a-doctor-refuse-an-abortion.php The point was, specifically, about wanting an abortion "just because I hate the defenceless" or whatever. Novastar's was, ultimately, a typically hyperbolic remark which I am surprised exercises you so much. In the UK, as I have amply shown, an abortion would be denied since this is not allowed under the law as a sufficient reason to proceed. QED. And as already said, just because it is not mentioned by PP does not mean questions are not asked at some point. I doubt if any jurisdiction would allow abortions without any control what so ever. It is reasonable to assume that any legislation which allows abortion would necessarily specify for what reasons it is legal, and hatred of the unborn would probably not be included. I hope that helps. If any Brits are having difficulty getting an abortion in the UK, they could just get one somewhere else. Like, say, California: www.aclunc.org/our-work/know-your-rights/know-your-rights-abortion-access-california
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 11, 2024 4:07:26 GMT
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE?
Here's another thought, since the morning after pill is legal, RX free and $50 in every pharmacy, and every single woman in the country has it ingrained in them they WILL be raped sometime somewhere just because they're women, so they need to spend every waking minute in fear of the rape coming for them, maybe every mother of every teenage girl should keep Plan B in the house for emergencies as readily as they give their daughters condoms 'just incase'. They'd surely keep a first aid kit on hand if their 13 year old got a boo boo falling off their bike, wouldn't they?
Third, were blacks 'humans' during slavery? See, people who wanted to dehumanize them like Nazis did the Jews, and selfish people do babies, they had another word to call them by instead of 'people', instead of 'humans', and they figured because they called them this name, it actually revoked their personhood and any and all rights they may have had, so it wasn't murder to kill them, it was just people using their PROPERTY however they saw fit. And remember, it was all LEGAL back then, making people into property was legal, hanging your property from a tree when they got out of line was legal, and it didn't become illegal until a bunch of people stuck their nose where it didn't belong.
Fourth item, why did schools stop showing 6th grade students The Silent Scream in health class? Surely nobody could have a problem with teaching kids on the verge of sexual activity how removing a bunch of tissue is just a nothingburger to get upset about. Why don't schools take field trips to abortion clinics to show kids it's NO different than having a bunion removed?
Fifth, funny you call the Holocaust 'morally repugnant' when you refer to mothers killing their children as 'well we've ALL done things we regret, it makes us who we are'. So the Nazis should've just gotten a free pass since it made them who they were?
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE?I would think the parents would have input and would be making that decision. This sounds like the Madonna song "Papa don't preach". On your second point, some religions like the Catholics don't allow the pill. On second thought, what is it with you and victim blaming? I can see you telling a child that it's their fault for getting raped. Not surprising. I won't comment on your other points as they are too of topic, as usual.
So parents get to take away their daughter's CHOICE because they don't agree with her decision? Funny, if the same 13 year old decided she wanted her breasts cut off and to take testosterone because she's really a boy, those parents would be put in jail if they didn't let her do it.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 5:28:10 GMT
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE? Interesting question. The issue of supporting the choice to give birth despite a complete inability to care for it does seem problematic for the pro-choice crowd.
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Post by The Lost One on Jan 11, 2024 9:56:32 GMT
Here's a thought, what if the 13 year old who got raped and pregnant WANTS her baby? Do you support her CHOICE? Interesting question. The issue of supporting the choice to give birth despite a complete inability to care for it does seem problematic for the pro-choice crowd. Is it? I would absolutely support her choice in that case.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jan 11, 2024 21:25:23 GMT
Make your mind up. Either your deity is inscrutable and moves in mysterious ways (your previous defence), or you're no more or less qualified to speak for Him than I am to speak for you or anyone who isn't me, when presumably we both know what it is to speak for someone. The fall back on that 'God moves in mysterious ways' and that you agreed that you are 'not the Holy Spirit', just earlier itself are by their nature biblical ones. As an atheist that is not my problem. I am not speaking or apologising for a murderous and vengeful god, am I? Also at points in scripture the writers are inspired enough so that such a deity makes it clear why things are done, or after the event apologists feel confident in telling us why. EG “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If [man] does not turn back, He will sharpen His sword; He bends His bow and makes it ready” (Psalm 7:11-12). In the case of the infamous Canaanites massacre (men, women, children, and even animals) their utter annihilation was apparently commanded to prevent Israel from following their ways: “Lest they teach you to do according to all their abominations which they have done for their gods, and you sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:18; also Deuteronomy 12:29-30). So that's all right then. However as had been covered before such a genocide leaves some a bad taste in the mouth when elsewhere God condemns murder outright. The impression remains - THE something which is still the point - that the inscrutable deity line remains a get-out-of-jail-free card for those who otherwise cannot reconcile what it supposedly did, and allows, with standard morality. But fortunately Command Theory means that everything that God does or commands is necessarily justified. Back to special pleading then. You work in mysterious ways. Thank you for detailed rebuttal.
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