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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 0:21:31 GMT
If he wants a kid and she does not, she does not.
There is no baby killing without a baby born alive and viable. Whatever else is not a fact.
Forcing a woman to conceive an unwanted child to be ? Rape.
Where is contraceptive pill on your list ?
Taking away birth control is taking away equality and freedom. Men would be free to have intercourse with the sole potential issue of domestic economy. Pregnancy sometimes kills unlucky women. Homicide/murder/assassination if she was forced into conception.
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Post by amyghost on May 20, 2024 1:41:28 GMT
Ooooh fearmongering, 'without abortion women will be cattle with no rights, it's a scientific FACT!' It's funny how the side always screaming SCIENCE resorts to stuff like this. Whereas the side accused of believing in fairy tales, know how to track their ovulation dates to prevent unwanted pregnancies. You really don't like the idea of women having control over their own bodies do you? She gives every indication of really not liking women, period. Interestingly, after having placed her on block, I now find she has been unblocked and apparently it is no longer possible for one user to block another's posts on this site.
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Post by amyghost on May 20, 2024 1:43:42 GMT
And that came straight from the horse's...mouth.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 8:47:32 GMT
From someone who worked years along with an obstretrical surgeon, women do not abort pregnancies on mere matter of convenience. Abortion is a disaster and a tragedy. A personal failure. Some will need years to recover from it, if they can recover from it. Some very much unlucky ones will lose their reproductive potential in the process. But you’ll have to take my word for it, and it’s hard, I know.* About that singer’s tour, I suspect the argument could be made that it’s a business trip, and that’s not a public human rights issue but economic issue.
*why a personal failure ? Not because sex is sin, mind you. Because once they get pregnant and are not lucky, abortion becomes a fight. All it takes is the lack of times and facilities. What is a right in the eye in the law is taken away from them by some individuals. Those take the law in their hands and punish them, on personal issues, not public ones. Before contraceptive pill got legal, those individuals might have turned down the plea of patients and lead them to their own death, with the argument you use. Eg, woman goes to her doctor. She has got cardiac issues. When she gets again pregnant, she dies. ”Keep you knees crossed” is the only medical advice and treatment she’ll get. She dies. Back to contemporary times, the illusion of personal failure comes with facing those almost criminal individuals. Fact is they are not about to dissappear overnight, but one could err and feel responsible for a world that is still fighting philosophy with stones. An ideal word would be a place where a teenager could end up being an unwed mother and no one would punish her for what’s perfectly normal. Girls and boys have sex. Females bear children into life. That’s how it is. There is nothing wrong with it. Anything else is noise and fury. Gays issues ? Transgender issues ? Tragedy. There is only one, very short life. Gay and transgender means no natural familly, and it’s someone’s birthright that is lost in the process. But where is the proof that those individuals are deliberately wrong or evil ? They live in a world where girls get punished for doing something basically pleasurable, and for now there’s not much an individual can do about it in a short lifespan, even when the law back them. I can understand how much they can feel helpless if the law do not back them. But it does. They are going to live a life of hell. The only human thing to do is to support them, not antagonize them or punish them. And imho, parents able to pretend gay and transgender and unwed teenaged mother is Allright, as some parents do on teenagers issues like smoking, might be able to save their kids from the tragedy that is discarding natural familly or unnatural appropriated familly. Those parents face a world where the aforementioned individuals are free and sometimes more connected than they are. The almost only thing they can do to help their doomed progeny is to listen to them, love them, and if they get into trouble sometime when they slip because it’s too hard on them, apologize and go on loving their kids.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 10:05:35 GMT
Pps: brain cell use... (Pun definitely intended) what about prosecutor’s use of theirs ? Imho if I could have found one without personnal sexual issues, I would have married him.
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Post by novastar6 on May 20, 2024 16:28:34 GMT
You really don't like the idea of women having control over their own bodies do you? She gives every indication of really not liking women, period.Interestingly, after having placed her on block, I now find she has been unblocked and apparently it is no longer possible for one user to block another's posts on this site.
You're the one with a low opinion of women then if you really believe that. Because that means you're the one implying all women are stupid, lazy and irresponsible. Of course, pro-aborts do tend to use those reasons, dressed up in slightly prettier words, to convince women killing their baby is the ONLY choice they should make.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 19:50:22 GMT
It is hard to exercise control of anything if, legally, it is denied to you in the first place - as reproductive rights have been lately in some States. Banning abortion has no bearing on a woman's right to reproduce. www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/my-body-my-rights/ Only if one takes that right always as a positive thing, If a woman is forced to reproduce against her will it is different. "Reproductive rights rest on the recognition of the basic right of all couples and individuals to decide freely and responsibly the number, spacing and timing of their children and to have the information and means to do so, and the right to attain the highest standard of sexual and reproductive health." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reproductive_rights#Lack_of_knowledge_about_rights
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 19:58:56 GMT
From someone who worked years along with an obstretrical surgeon, women do not abort pregnancies on mere matter of convenience. Abortion is a disaster and a tragedy. A personal failure. Some will need years to recover from it, if they can recover from it. Some very much unlucky ones will lose their reproductive potential in the process. But you’ll have to take my word for it, and it’s hard, I know.* About that singer’s tour, I suspect the argument could be made that it’s a business trip, and that’s not a public human rights issue but economic issue. *why a personal failure ? Not because sex is sin, mind you. Because once they get pregnant and are not lucky, abortion becomes a fight. All it takes is the lack of times and facilities. What is a right in the eye in the law is taken away from them by some individuals. T hose take the law in their hands and punish them, on personal issues, not public ones. Before contraceptive pill got legal, those individuals might have turned down the plea of patients and lead them to their own death, with the argument you use. Eg, woman goes to her doctor. She has got cardiac issues. When she gets again pregnant, she dies. ”Keep you knees crossed” is the only medical advice and treatment she’ll get. She dies. Back to contemporary times, the illusion of personal failure comes with facing those almost criminal individuals. Fact is they are not about to dissappear overnight, but one could err and feel responsible for a world that is still fighting philosophy with stones.An ideal word would be a place where a teenager could end up being an unwed mother and no one would punish her for what’s perfectly normal. Girls and boys have sex. Females bear children into life. That’s how it is. There is nothing wrong with it. Anything else is noise and fury. Gays issues ? Transgender issues ? Tragedy. There is only one, very short life. Gay and transgender means no natural familly, and it’s someone’s birthright that is lost in the process. But where is the proof that those individuals are deliberately wrong or evil ?They live in a world where girls get punished for doing something basically pleasurable, and for now there’s not much an individual can do about it in a short lifespan, even when the law back them. I can understand how much they can feel helpless if the law do not back them. But it does. They are going to live a life of hell. The only human thing to do is to support them, not antagonize them or punish them.And imho, parents able to pretend gay and transgender and unwed teenaged mother is Allright, as some parents do on teenagers issues like smoking, might be able to save their kids from the tragedy that is discarding natural familly or unnatural appropriated familly. Those parents face a world where the aforementioned individuals are free and sometimes more connected than they are. The almost only thing they can do to help their doomed progeny is to listen to them, love them, and if they get into trouble sometime when they slip because it’s too hard on them, apologize and go on loving their kids. You seem confused here as a lot of the above argues against the sentiments of your usual anti-feminist, illiberal and proscriptive position. Cut 'n' paste in haste, repent at leisure I guess lol
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 20:39:40 GMT
Here are your reproductive rights. You don't want to get pregnant, take actual measures to prevent pregnancy instead of going 'whoops! How did that happen? Gee I have no idea, but I sure know if I don't want puppies to get my dog fixed, I KNOW how it happens then.' That sarcasm says more about your moralistic views about women and their presumed behaviour, than it considers their rights. Irrelevant; but I am sure women everywhere will thank you all the same. Don't tell women to give up their rights just because that doesn't agree with your moral preferences and (as always seems the case) it suits you to paint them all with the same brush. Feel free to substantiate this claim. Let's see: can you give any statistics as to how many illegal abortions there are at all now after the overturning of Roe vs Wade? I certainly can't find any, so therefore your point is moot. In fact it appears that, for the time being anyhow, as the many State referenda on the matter continue to return positive results re: abortions as they all seem to do, many women (at least those rich enough to afford it) are simply exporting their legal abortion to nearby states. And I am sure you be pleased to know that despite bans, the number of abortions in the United States actually i ncreased in 2023: www.guttmacher.org/2024/03/despite-bans-number-abortions-united-states-increased-2023 A woman has the final say over her own body. It may be different in some jurisdictions but this is certainly the case in the UK, Sorry men. Using a leaf from your own playbook of course one can claim that men are morally irresponsible for getting a reluctant women with child in the first place. See how it works? You can't have it both ways.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 21:31:09 GMT
Imho if I could have found one without personnal sexual issues, I would have married him. That tells us more about you and the views you post than you perhaps realise.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 22:26:11 GMT
Imho if I could have found one without personnal sexual issues, I would have married him. That tells us more about you and the views you post than you perhaps realise. Yeah, I’m not a professional clown, I know.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 22:33:15 GMT
That tells us more about you and the views you post than you perhaps realise. Yeah, I’m not a professional clown, I know. It is true. What you write is no laughing matter. It is just depressing.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 22:33:46 GMT
From someone who worked years along with an obstretrical surgeon, women do not abort pregnancies on mere matter of convenience. Abortion is a disaster and a tragedy. A personal failure. Some will need years to recover from it, if they can recover from it. Some very much unlucky ones will lose their reproductive potential in the process. But you’ll have to take my word for it, and it’s hard, I know.* About that singer’s tour, I suspect the argument could be made that it’s a business trip, and that’s not a public human rights issue but economic issue. *why a personal failure ? Not because sex is sin, mind you. Because once they get pregnant and are not lucky, abortion becomes a fight. All it takes is the lack of times and facilities. What is a right in the eye in the law is taken away from them by some individuals. T hose take the law in their hands and punish them, on personal issues, not public ones. Before contraceptive pill got legal, those individuals might have turned down the plea of patients and lead them to their own death, with the argument you use. Eg, woman goes to her doctor. She has got cardiac issues. When she gets again pregnant, she dies. ”Keep you knees crossed” is the only medical advice and treatment she’ll get. She dies. Back to contemporary times, the illusion of personal failure comes with facing those almost criminal individuals. Fact is they are not about to dissappear overnight, but one could err and feel responsible for a world that is still fighting philosophy with stones.An ideal word would be a place where a teenager could end up being an unwed mother and no one would punish her for what’s perfectly normal. Girls and boys have sex. Females bear children into life. That’s how it is. There is nothing wrong with it. Anything else is noise and fury. Gays issues ? Transgender issues ? Tragedy. There is only one, very short life. Gay and transgender means no natural familly, and it’s someone’s birthright that is lost in the process. But where is the proof that those individuals are deliberately wrong or evil ?They live in a world where girls get punished for doing something basically pleasurable, and for now there’s not much an individual can do about it in a short lifespan, even when the law back them. I can understand how much they can feel helpless if the law do not back them. But it does. They are going to live a life of hell. The only human thing to do is to support them, not antagonize them or punish them.And imho, parents able to pretend gay and transgender and unwed teenaged mother is Allright, as some parents do on teenagers issues like smoking, might be able to save their kids from the tragedy that is discarding natural familly or unnatural appropriated familly. Those parents face a world where the aforementioned individuals are free and sometimes more connected than they are. The almost only thing they can do to help their doomed progeny is to listen to them, love them, and if they get into trouble sometime when they slip because it’s too hard on them, apologize and go on loving their kids. You seem confused here as a lot of the above argues against the sentiments of your usual anti-feminist, illiberal and proscriptive position. Cut 'n' paste in haste, repent at leisure I guess lol I have a anti feminist illiberal proscriptive position. Dunno where, but I take note. From someone who would ask God to constraint people into faith, pretending to ignore the free will argument, I take it as a compliment. Cut and paste what ? Confused in what and how ? Would you please care to elaborate?
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 22:37:23 GMT
Yeah, I’m not a professional clown, I know. It is true. What you write is no laughing matter. It is just depressing. What depresses you in the fact that a prosecutor can’t or won’t or won’t be able to use their one brain cell, and that some cover policemen who are screwed enough to show pedo porn to a lawyer ?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 23:00:00 GMT
I have a anti feminist illiberal proscriptive position. Dunno where, Anyone else dunno where? If you mean where, weeks ago, I wondered why your deity does not work just to persuade, (as opposed to coerce), me into belief when necessarily knowing what would work the trick for honest doubters, then here you misrepresent me and so is a straw man argument. You will have to be more specific. But if you mean where again a good while back on another thread I note that in Isiah God bluntly admits to creating evil, then this (as I think I said back then) apologists usually say refers to natural evil - where any free will defence fails. This is another straw man. Distractions noted. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/6079666 If it is not cut 'n' pasted, then in this single post you have changed your prose style quite remarkably with, for instance, an almost complete lack of sarcastic hyperbole, and less precipitate. There also seem to be the odd quote mark left in by mistake, perhaps carried over from your source. The post is also more wayward, as if your editing was not up to it. But if we accept your denial, it makes you seem even more inept in arguing against yourself, as noted. But whether copied or not it is really a minor point and that mere fact or not does not make of itself what you say necessarily right or wrong. I helpfully put in italics in my reply those sentiments which appear entirely uncharacteristic of you and your usual sentiments. They seem calm, considered and even, dare I say, empathetic.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 23:04:50 GMT
It is true. What you write is no laughing matter. It is just depressing. What depresses you in the fact that a prosecutor can’t or won’t or won’t be able to use their one brain cell, and that some cover policemen who are screwed enough to show pedo porn to a lawyer ? I am not sure what this is apropos of. But you dragging in 'pedo porn' unfortunately also suggests more about you than you might wish. [I am not suggesting here that you are paedophile btw]
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 23:22:50 GMT
I have a anti feminist illiberal proscriptive position. Dunno where, Anyone else dunno where? If you mean where, weeks ago, I wondered why your deity does not work just to persuade, (as opposed to coerce), me into belief when necessarily knowing what would work the trick for honest doubters, then here you misrepresent me and so is a straw man argument. You will have to be more specific. But if you mean where again a good while back on another thread I note that in Isiah God bluntly admits to creating evil, then this (as I think I said back then) apologists usually say refers to natural evil - where any free will defence fails. This is another straw man. Distractions noted. imdb2.freeforums.net/post/6079666 If it is not cut 'n' pasted, then in this single post you have changed your prose style quite remarkably. There also seem to be odd quote marks left in by mistake, perhaps from your source. The post is also more all over the place than usual, as if your editing was not up to it. But if we accept your denial, it makes you seem even more inept in arguing against yourself, as noted. I helpfully put in italics in my reply those sentiments which appear entirely uncharacteristic of you and your usual sentiments. They seem calm, considered and even, dare I say, empathetic. The link does not work. The isaha reference is unknown to me. I’m not calm. I’m frosting at the mouth. I’m angry as I have not been in years. And I had no time this morning to go hunting smtg to cut and paste. It’s straight out, and I should have put some sentences in a better order but I had to go and work. I think there is something amiss. I usually refer to fact and do not rely on feelings, except when I tell you to go sleep on the couch, honey bun. I don’t drag pedo porn. I focus on people so ugly they can protect cops who watch and share pedo porn with unwanting lawyers in a private way, outside police duty. And the guy who protects cops here is the equivalent of the district attorney. The prosecutor. The guy who spent years reading about justice in law school and ends up talking, writing about order and discipline. Ew. N6 wrote about women who can’t use their brain. Why should they, when those ugly people I ”drag in” get paid for not using theirs ?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 20, 2024 23:33:51 GMT
I am not surprised, my humble apologies; It being late here, I have mixed you up with Novastar which explains why the style I noted is different. Please disregard my remarks about that. To be honest though this was the first time it has been mentioned, on this thread. Not very related to abortion is it?. Too often we find those who write about such matters are ultimately found to be the worst transgressors I will agree. Somebody has to set an example.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 23:35:14 GMT
BTW I dunno what a strawman is, appart from the character In Oz.
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Post by transfuged on May 20, 2024 23:39:30 GMT
Frothing, yes. Oh. ...!
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