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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 23, 2023 0:48:45 GMT
The actor’s strike most likely did have some kind of negative effect on this movie’s box office performance. It obviously wasn’t the sole factor, but Five Nights at Freddy’s is certainly not a good rebuttal. People don’t go to a Five Nights at Freddy’s movie for the human characters.
To be clear, The Marvels is undeniably a box office disaster, but perhaps it would’ve been slightly less disastrous if the actors were at least allowed to promote it.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 27, 2023 19:14:50 GMT
I mean…strikes didn’t hurt FNAF. And that has a much more niche fan base. It was also marketed better, no one went for the human actors so promotions wasn't a problem and is huge with the kid crowd. I see you defending The Marvels quite a bit in this thread, but curiously none of your posts actually address the quality or content of the movie itself. Do you consider The Marvels to be a great movie?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 27, 2023 21:22:24 GMT
It was also marketed better, no one went for the human actors so promotions wasn't a problem and is huge with the kid crowd. I see you defending The Marvels quite a bit in this thread, but curiously none of your posts actually address the quality or content of the movie itself. Do you consider The Marvels to be a great movie? His argument has shifted from, "You guys are wrong, it's not going to bomb," to "Here are all the unfair reasons it bombed..." He never talks about what he likes about MCU movies, he only defends the concept of the MCU to the death. If I had to guess, he's one of those guys who actually hates something, but pretends to be a huge fan and acts like a dipshit to make fans of that thing look bad. (Either that or he's just crazy. Either way it's sad.)
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 27, 2023 21:31:36 GMT
I see you defending The Marvels quite a bit in this thread, but curiously none of your posts actually address the quality or content of the movie itself. Do you consider The Marvels to be a great movie? His argument has shifted from, "You guys are wrong, it's not going to bomb," to "Here are all the unfair reasons it bombed..." He never talks about what he likes about MCU movies, he only defends the concept of the MCU to the death. If I had to guess, he's one of those guys who actually hates something, but pretends to be a huge fan and acts like a dipshit to make fans of that thing look bad. (Either that or he's just crazy. Either way it's sad.) He even ironically tears down older MCU movies in order to defend the newer ones. I remember people doing this when The Last Jedi came out too to defend the sequels. I’d love a comprehensive psychological explanation for how the minds of people like him work because it’s genuinely bizarre. But I think your last guess may be the most accurate. Dude is just crazy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2023 0:40:18 GMT
It was also marketed better, no one went for the human actors so promotions wasn't a problem and is huge with the kid crowd. I see you defending The Marvels quite a bit in this thread, but curiously none of your posts actually address the quality or content of the movie itself. Do you consider The Marvels to be a great movie? A great film? No.
A nice fun romp that's straddling the line of "Mediocre" and "Good"? About there.
Phases 4 and 5 have been a bit wonkier because Feige has been spread thin thanks to D+ and the MCU expansion there it's not as compacted as Phases 1 and 2 ultimately were although the overall content has been better than most of Phases 1 and 2. Covid and Chadwick Boseman dying didn't help either, nor the chaos caused by James Gunn's departure, return and then permanent departure.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 28, 2023 1:53:00 GMT
I see you defending The Marvels quite a bit in this thread, but curiously none of your posts actually address the quality or content of the movie itself. Do you consider The Marvels to be a great movie? A great film? No.
A nice fun romp that's straddling the line of "Mediocre" and "Good"? About there.
Phases 4 and 5 have been a bit wonkier because Feige has been spread thin thanks to D+ and the MCU expansion there it's not as compacted as Phases 1 and 2 ultimately were although the overall content has been better than most of Phases 1 and 2. Covid and Chadwick Boseman dying didn't help either, nor the chaos caused by James Gunn's departure, return and then permanent departure.
So your actual opinion isn’t all that different from most people. Why all this obsessive defensiveness on Marvel’s behalf then? Is it worth it for a movie you yourself admit isn’t even “good”?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2023 12:54:36 GMT
A great film? No.
A nice fun romp that's straddling the line of "Mediocre" and "Good"? About there.
Phases 4 and 5 have been a bit wonkier because Feige has been spread thin thanks to D+ and the MCU expansion there it's not as compacted as Phases 1 and 2 ultimately were although the overall content has been better than most of Phases 1 and 2. Covid and Chadwick Boseman dying didn't help either, nor the chaos caused by James Gunn's departure, return and then permanent departure.
So your actual opinion isn’t all that different from most people. Why all this obsessive defensiveness on Marvel’s behalf then? Is it worth it for a movie you yourself admit isn’t even “good”? Because people are acting like this is Heaven's Gate, which is just bizarre
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 28, 2023 18:40:46 GMT
So your actual opinion isn’t all that different from most people. Why all this obsessive defensiveness on Marvel’s behalf then? Is it worth it for a movie you yourself admit isn’t even “good”? Because people are acting like this is Heaven's Gate, which is just bizarre Doesnt a movie that you yourself admit isn’t even good deserve to fail? Why defend or reward mediocrity?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2023 20:47:55 GMT
Because people are acting like this is Heaven's Gate, which is just bizarre Doesnt a movie that you yourself admit isn’t even good deserve to fail? Why defend or reward mediocrity? Same reason Five Nights at Freddys', Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer deserved to succeed.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 29, 2023 0:07:16 GMT
Doesnt a movie that you yourself admit isn’t even good deserve to fail? Why defend or reward mediocrity? Same reason Five Nights at Freddys', Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer deserved to succeed. Which is?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2023 1:38:42 GMT
Same reason Five Nights at Freddys', Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer deserved to succeed. Which is? You tell me, those were all mediocre movies and yet they succeeded.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 29, 2023 2:31:32 GMT
You tell me, those were all mediocre movies and yet they succeeded. You said it. You tell me. I would never defend a movie I thought was mediocre. But by your own admission that is what you’re doing. I’m asking why. And you can’t give a straight answer.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 29, 2023 16:24:52 GMT
You tell me, those were all mediocre movies and yet they succeeded. You said it. You tell me. I would never defend a movie I thought was mediocre. But by your own admission that is what you’re doing. I’m asking why. And you can’t give a straight answer. Okay, I thought the chemistry between the 3 characters was great. I thought the body swapping stuff was fun and made for well choreographed stuff, I liked how the villain wasn't out for Galactic Conquest or something big like that. She was torn between sacrificing herself to save her ruined homeworld or getting revenge on Carol. Sadly, because the movie isn't about the villain we didn't get more on that. And how it adds to the growing multiversal storyline as well.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 29, 2023 16:30:01 GMT
Doesnt a movie that you yourself admit isn’t even good deserve to fail? Why defend or reward mediocrity? Same reason Five Nights at Freddys', Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer deserved to succeed. This is what he was asking you to elaborate on. What did you mean by this?
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 29, 2023 17:35:51 GMT
You said it. You tell me. I would never defend a movie I thought was mediocre. But by your own admission that is what you’re doing. I’m asking why. And you can’t give a straight answer. Okay, I thought the chemistry between the 3 characters was great. I thought the body swapping stuff was fun and made for well choreographed stuff, I liked how the villain wasn't out for Galactic Conquest or something big like that. She was torn between sacrificing herself to save her ruined homeworld or getting revenge on Carol. Sadly, because the movie isn't about the villain we didn't get more on that. And how it adds to the growing multiversal storyline as well. Oh it’s too late for that. You said the film was between mediocre and good. So by that definition it’s not a good movie. I didn’t ask what you liked about it. I asked why you would so obsessively defend a movie you yourself admit is not good.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 30, 2023 17:58:13 GMT
Same reason Five Nights at Freddys', Super Mario Bros and Oppenheimer deserved to succeed. This is what he was asking you to elaborate on. What did you mean by this? Having seen both SMB and FNAF, I can safely say they're more mediocre than the Marvels, so if they succeeded despite lack on content I don't see why the Marvels is being sneered at.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 30, 2023 17:58:39 GMT
Okay, I thought the chemistry between the 3 characters was great. I thought the body swapping stuff was fun and made for well choreographed stuff, I liked how the villain wasn't out for Galactic Conquest or something big like that. She was torn between sacrificing herself to save her ruined homeworld or getting revenge on Carol. Sadly, because the movie isn't about the villain we didn't get more on that. And how it adds to the growing multiversal storyline as well. Oh it’s too late for that. You said the film was between mediocre and good. So by that definition it’s not a good movie. I didn’t ask what you liked about it. I asked why you would so obsessively defend a movie you yourself admit is not good. Well, because I saw worse movies that others have defended vehemently.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Nov 30, 2023 19:12:00 GMT
Oh it’s too late for that. You said the film was between mediocre and good. So by that definition it’s not a good movie. I didn’t ask what you liked about it. I asked why you would so obsessively defend a movie you yourself admit is not good. Well, because I saw worse movies that others have defended vehemently. And why were you compelled to copy them?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 30, 2023 20:38:51 GMT
This is what he was asking you to elaborate on. What did you mean by this? Having seen both SMB and FNAF, I can safely say they're more mediocre than the Marvels, so if they succeeded despite lack on content I don't see why the Marvels is being sneered at. As I said earlier in the thread, the movie is fine. It didn't fail at the BO because people thought it was terrible, it failed because nobody cared about it. Marvel has put out too much middling content lately, and MCU stuff doesn't feel like 'an event' the way it used to. Especially when audiences know they can catch it on streaming in like six weeks, if that. Its failure, along with all of the Disney stuff lately (all of which I've enjoyed by the way) is notable because that stuff used to be a box office juggernaut. Truth is, almost everything underperformed at the BO this year, but people don't write hit pieces on Fast & Furious movies because nobody gives a shit. Marvel and Disney can get back on track, but first they have to focus on quality over quantity, and not releasing new content on Disney+ until, I don't know, six months after its theatrical run at least.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 30, 2023 23:30:21 GMT
Well, because I saw worse movies that others have defended vehemently. And why were you compelled to copy them? Because no one had took sadistic pleasure in going after those movies compared to this one.
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