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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 26, 2023 16:11:39 GMT
There are some teams out there that look hideous so far. Who will win the prize? (I know Carolina is 0-3 but they won't take Williams, they'll trade)
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 26, 2023 16:29:12 GMT
There are some teams out there that look hideous so far. Who will win the prize? (I know Carolina is 0-3 but they won't take Williams, they'll trade)
Carolina already traded their first round pick to Chicago for the right to take Bryce. They're stuck with him.
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Post by mtbg on Sept 26, 2023 16:38:12 GMT
Bears or Cards as they will both have 2 high picks in rd 1.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 26, 2023 16:39:35 GMT
There are some teams out there that look hideous so far. Who will win the prize? (I know Carolina is 0-3 but they won't take Williams, they'll trade)
Carolina already traded their first round pick to Chicago for the right to take Bryce. They're stuck with him. Oop, forgot about that.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 26, 2023 16:45:26 GMT
Let's see what happens when Kyler Murray comes back before we bury the Cards too much. Frankly, they don't look so terrible right now.
The Bears look like the worst team in the league, but I feel like they're deluded by Fields there still. Broncos are gonna have a hard time making a case for Russ and Payt unless they turn it around immediately. Jets might make sense even if Aaron Rodgers is ready to go next year because I can't see any way that Zach Wilson comes back at this point.
But I'm gonna say Denver.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 26, 2023 16:50:41 GMT
Myself, I voted for the Jets, Jets, Jets. Zach Wilson is a trainwreck, one of the worst QBs in history. The Jets proved last year that, in the modern NFL, you can trot 21 very good players out and it the QB is Sidney Squid, you can't win. they have one winnable game left, in Denver in two weeks. And they cannot depend on Rodgers ever coming back. The window on this team could close quickly
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Post by mtbg on Sept 26, 2023 17:08:12 GMT
Myself, I voted for the Jets, Jets, Jets. Zach Wilson is a trainwreck, one of the worst QBs in history. The Jets proved last year that, in the modern NFL, you can trot 21 very good players out and it the QB is Sidney Squid, you can't win. they have one winnable game left, in Denver in two weeks. And they cannot depend on Rodgers ever coming back. The window on this team could close quickly It's a good thing they had the clause in that Rodgers had to play 65% of the snaps for GB to get their 1st rd pick. As is, GB will get their 2nd.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Sept 26, 2023 17:13:59 GMT
Myself, I voted for the Jets, Jets, Jets. Zach Wilson is a trainwreck, one of the worst QBs in history. The Jets proved last year that, in the modern NFL, you can trot 21 very good players out and it the QB is Sidney Squid, you can't win. they have one winnable game left, in Denver in two weeks. And they cannot depend on Rodgers ever coming back. The window on this team could close quickly It's a good thing they had the clause in that Rodgers had to play 65% of the snaps for GB to get their 1st rd pick. As is, GB will get their 2nd. Good point, forgot about that.
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Post by sdm3 on Sept 26, 2023 17:20:40 GMT
It's the Bears. That organization is in freefall and they're fighting fires everywhere. Coaching staff is a shambles even disregarding the on-field product.
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Post by DrKrippen on Sept 26, 2023 17:59:35 GMT
I don't think it matters much. How many of the "can't miss" quarterback picks have been a disappointment? May as well pick a "Mr. Irrelevant".
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Post by tristramshandy on Sept 26, 2023 18:06:25 GMT
I'm morbidly fascinated by Broncos-Bears this week. Which will have a lot to say about this question.
Good news for those who don't pick first: it looks like there will be a bunch of other good options to choose from with quarterbacks in this year's draft.
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Post by mtbg on Sept 26, 2023 18:12:27 GMT
I don't think it matters much. How many of the "can't miss" quarterback picks have been a disappointment? May as well pick a "Mr. Irrelevant". And last year's Mr. Irrelevant is playing better than any of the QBs drafted ahead of him.
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Post by Shane Falco on Sept 26, 2023 20:55:31 GMT
I don't think it matters much. How many of the "can't miss" quarterback picks have been a disappointment? May as well pick a "Mr. Irrelevant". To my knowledge the only cant miss QB prospects recently have been good. Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence. Others had hype to them like Tua and Burrow but I dont recall either getting a can't miss designation to them. That said, if there is a team to ruin a cant miss QB it would be the Bears. They are cursed to never have a good one.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Sept 26, 2023 21:16:35 GMT
Is there still John Elway style choosing where he plays chatter?
Either way, I think he would choose Payton's Broncos if they're not drafting #1.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 26, 2023 21:24:40 GMT
I don't think it matters much. How many of the "can't miss" quarterback picks have been a disappointment? May as well pick a "Mr. Irrelevant". To my knowledge the only cant miss QB prospects recently have been good. Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence. Others had hype to them like Tua and Burrow but I dont recall either getting a can't miss designation to them. That said, if there is a team to ruin a cant miss QB it would be the Bears. They are cursed to never have a good one. Yeah, there's no such thing as a "can't miss" QB. Peyton Manning and John Elway were called that but naysayers would point out that Peyton could never win a big game at Tennessee and Elway couldn't win at all at Stanford. As far as Ryan Leaf, any GM who didn't have a Pro Bowl caliber QB and had the #2 pick would have gleefully picked Leaf without reservation. He was "high risk, high reward". Williams had history going against him. With the exception of Carson Palmer, USC QBs have been duds in the NFL.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 26, 2023 22:06:05 GMT
Minnesota
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Post by Shane Falco on Sept 27, 2023 3:22:05 GMT
Is there still John Elway style choosing where he plays chatter? Either way, I think he would choose Payton's Broncos if they're not drafting #1. With NIL around he could very easily choose to stay at USC and make tons of money if he doesn't like his options. There were some talking heads advocating for such a thing when it seemed logical the Cardinals would get top pick. A guy like Williams has to think whether or not the #1 pick team is worthy of trusting your progression. Bad teams can absolutely ruin a prospect. Organizations I wouldn't trust? Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, and probably NYJ. I would say Washington but with a new owner they might get a fresh shot. Bengals would have been too before Burrow.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 27, 2023 15:12:19 GMT
Is there still John Elway style choosing where he plays chatter? Either way, I think he would choose Payton's Broncos if they're not drafting #1. Who was the last high draft pick to hold out into the season? Last one I remember was Cornelius Bennett in 1987. Holdouts used to be somewhat common but not anymore. Of course the CFL aren't raiding anymore and the USFL (the real USFL) just aint no more. Elway had the baseball option. And the NFL isn't the NBA. if you declare for the draft, you can't go back. Williams (or Penix or Maye or Sanders) could see that the Bears are drafting #1 and stay for another season. And risk injury, a Marino-esque letdown, or to see the Bears draft #1 again.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 27, 2023 15:23:03 GMT
Is there still John Elway style choosing where he plays chatter? Either way, I think he would choose Payton's Broncos if they're not drafting #1. Organizations I wouldn't trust? Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, and probably NYJ. I would say Washington but with a new owner they might get a fresh shot. Bengals would have been too before Burrow. By this thinking, Patrick Mahomes would have told the Chiefs to sit and spin. The Chiefs were ramshackle from SBIV to the Mahomes era. For their first 40 years, the Steelers were pitiful. That team from Massachusetts was nothing special until Brady-boo. It would make a QB a legend by turning a has been into a champ. Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
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Post by Shane Falco on Sept 27, 2023 19:03:34 GMT
Organizations I wouldn't trust? Arizona, Chicago, Cleveland, and probably NYJ. I would say Washington but with a new owner they might get a fresh shot. Bengals would have been too before Burrow. By this thinking, Patrick Mahomes would have told the Chiefs to sit and spin. The Chiefs were ramshackle from SBIV to the Mahomes era. For their first 40 years, the Steelers were pitiful. That team from Massachusetts was nothing special until Brady-boo. It would make a QB a legend by turning a has been into a champ. Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana
Mahomes had no leverage as he wasn't a #1 pick nor was he viewed as some cant miss prospect. He was viewed more as a project. Plus the Chiefs at the time had a decent foundation in a good HC that had made the playoffs recently (if I remember correctly). They weren't devoid of talent. Most agreed he fell into a perfect position. Brady was a 6th rounder he REALLY had no leverage to determine where he could go. Bradshaw and Montana were before my time so no idea in regards to their circumstances. Teams like the Bears, Jets, and Browns constantly fuck up QBs they draft to know end and are constantly at the bottom of the league. Jets might be in the middle of a turn around as they have so much talent, yet may be cursed. Arizona has mostly been a cheap organization much like the Bengals were and seem to be without much structure to build sustained success. What im saying is that if I were Williams and as good as the hype suggests and likely the landslide #1 pick with some leverage to return to USC he could maneuver his way to go somewhere more favorable. With that type of talent I wouldn't be so quick to trust those 4 franchises with my development for 7 years of my career. (4 years + 5th year option + 2 franchise tags). They could still draft him and call his bluff of course but he has a small bit of leverage here. Still no clue how Eli managed to get out of SD to NY though. Elway had baseball as leverage. Its a very rare thing which is why it basically never happens. Caleb has a little bit of leverage, im interested to see if he uses it or not.
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