X-Men: The Dark Phoenix

I said Wonder Woman and Thor 3. Get it right.

Wonder Woman is pretty much the same movie as Captain America: First Avenger.  Logan is not a rip-off of an MCU movie.  Never said it was.  I said it's the same movie as The Wolverine. Mangold did the same thing with Logan and The Wolverine that Singer does in all his X-men movies.

Yet, more people see these movies over and over than they do the X-men movies.  Hell, even with bad reviews people flock to go see DC movies.  What is the X-men's problem?  More people went to see the Raimi Spider-man movies, more people went to see Deadpool.  What is the commonality of this?  Oh people enjoyed themselves when they saw these movies. 

But the thing I want to know is why do you have to turn every thread into a "vs the MCU" discussion?  This was about The Dark Phoenix.


Yep going back through this thread you are the first person to mention the MCU.  Congratulations.

I hate to point out the obvious here.MCU movies  are made by disney with the best marketing and cinematic  appeal. x-men with disney will make far more money but it is not worth it.

Recent X-Men movies, the last awful ones still made 500 million dollars (with no disney power to back it up).

Logan and Deadpool are r rated are bringing in 600-700 million,  but I don't consider them part of the old xmen movies but logan and deadpool are what happens when you bring in fresh blood and secretly reboot. Now imagine how much a pg 13 can make.

do you see me loving The dark phoenix saga movie?no. I kind of even want it to fail so fox can have a real full reboot.

sadly if money is your only defence you need to stay more on target aka spiderman homecoming and iron man 3 beating iron man 1 when iron man 1 was superior.

X-Men's box office will grow after logan and deadpool (If the movies have the same quality) but it will not come from anything tied to the old movies or singer/kinberg.

as I said, as a fan of xmen , I am also the biggest critic and biggest truth sayer for all comic book properties because I do really care.

do I defend the messed up timelines? No.

do I defend too much magneto? No

do I also hate what mystique has become? Yes

do I hate what they did to Cyclops? Yes.

the difference between me and you is I don't pretend xmen is perfect.

Says you.

It is if we get actual X-Men movies and not FoX-Men one.




The FoX-Men, not the X-Men.

Something true to the comics without its head being up its ass.



Fixed.



The FoX-Men movies have never dealt with authentic issues, it's views on prejudice are hilariously one-sided.

The movie. The movie!!!  When making the Wonder Woman movie they remade Captain America: First Avenger.  The Wonder Woman movie came out this year. How did it come out before Captain America First Avenger?

When making Logan they just remade The Wolverine.  It's the same movie in a different setting.  Wolverine living in the middle of nowhere is brought back into the fold and goes on the run with a young female.  His healing factor is stripped away from him and he has to go through the movie with it on low setting or ignoring the pain entirely.  Both movies has a young woman skilled in blades, a scientist, and a villain made from him.  The only thing Logan took from Old Man Logan was the old man part.

Wait x-men is your favourite comic book series  but you think Magneto is a dr doom knock off and you complain about how  you hate xmen on top ? okay.  I think those are just frustrated Dismarvel fans who lash out at xmen because they can't understand why everyone says X-Men is too good to be in the MCU.

 Don’t confuse Disney marketing to quality.   X2 made 400 million right? In 2003, still a lot of money and slightly better than Spiderman 2 as a movie but spiderman 2 had better promotion and yes toys. Sony is good at that.

So this is all about money you can add twilight , transformers and the iron man sequels.. But let’s talk money for most comic films. Fox has a better chance to grow, others? Not so much.

What happened to spiderman homecoming becoming more profitable than the earlier films? That fell flat. Logan with an r rating will end up becoming more profitable  than most of the comic films this year and will leave with the best in quality and the most respected.

In the comic book landscape, sadly the recent xmen movies are the best we got, the facts don’t lie and  collective thinking of the people don't lie. Deadpool , DOFP and Logan. WB DCEU and MCU have not even come close to these films because WB sadly was trying to be Nolan without the real Nolan, while MCU movies are generic comedies.

I agree that X-Men needs to get better and better  even after DOFP, Logan and Deadpool and push the genre forward aka New Mutants been a horror psychological thriller and Gambit been a crime heist film. .. while others are still trying to place catch up or even think outside box like the xmen movies.

We have to ask ourselves, how good does xmen have to get when their counterparts say, we can’t make the xmen movies because they are too heavy, too serious and compelling (compelling is quite easy) and fox and x-men fans  say, sure we can make them and fox ends  making these movies  with great financial rewards that they are more than satisfied with.

As I said, the next few weeks and years  are going to be interesting for everyone, exciting for X-Men fans. My guess is more movies like Logan, Deadpool and DOFP and less off Apocalypse, and if this remains the case,Other comic movies will become classified as full parodies.