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Post by mandragora on Aug 12, 2017 19:07:06 GMT
Bielefeld - Düsseldorf n.V. 1:3 Erfurt - Hoffenheim 0:1 (0:0) Regensburg - Darmstadt 3:1 (1:1)
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Post by mandragora on Aug 13, 2017 12:20:28 GMT
bluerisk Seen the latest comments of your formidable president. So Neymar isn't that good, he didn't really know James, Brazzo is the 1A solution to the sporting director vacuum, and Ribery and Robben can always claim a starting spot because otherwise they are pissed and the atmosphere suffers? Christ on a bike. Bring in a decent DoF.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 13, 2017 14:37:56 GMT
bluerisk Seen the latest comments of your formidable president. So Neymar isn't that good, he didn't really know James, Brazzo is the 1A solution to the sporting director vacuum, and Ribery and Robben can always claim a starting spot because otherwise they are pissed and the atmosphere suffers? Christ on a bike. Bring in a decent DoF. I saw the article of the Interview (with Wontorra) but I didn't bother to read it yet - the taglines were already enough for my blood pressure. But I've read an - unfortunatley -a short article why Bayern and the BVB have to follow Paris in their transfer policy for we have entered a pivotal era and now the shape of the future will be defined. Now, markets will be conquer or not, and if you haven't, you never will for the advantage of the others players has become too overwhelming. English, French or Spanish have become global languages because we were sleeping when the others were founding global empires. He called it a rat race, I would call rather a Stackelberg competition in which the follower will never be able to beat the leader when he has reach a certain market leadership. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competitionIn his final conclusion he express the expectation that there will be five super clubs that will dominate the global market. Imho it could be a bit more. But how many super clubs do you know in Basketball or Baseball albeit they have a cartel-like structure? The New York Yankees are overshadowing any other team in their series. Football and Basketball is a bit more diverse, but there is also a certain "royalty" like the Dallas Cowboys who have won shit over the last two decades but still remain the richest clubs of all due to their market position. A ManU-like club. I guess 3-4 English clubs, Paris, a club from Italy, and 2-3 clubs from Spain. If Bayern are continuing their current policy, they will fall back beyond a point of no return; when the lead of the other has become to dominant.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 13, 2017 15:44:02 GMT
60 München - Ingolstadt 1:2 (0:1) Osnabrück - Hamburg 3:1 (1:0) Bonn - Hannover 2:6 (1:1) Dorfmerkingen - Leipzig 0:5 (0:1) Schweinfurt - Sandhausen 2:1 (0:1) Morlautern - Fürth 0:5 (0:2) Saarbrücken - Union Berlin i.V. 1:2 Nöttingen - Bochum 2:5 (0:2) Norderstedt - Wolfsburg 0:1 (0:0)
So we have the first upset, Hamburg of course, who else, losing against 3rd division Osnabrück who played with 10 men almost all game, on top of it.
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Post by phludowin on Aug 13, 2017 16:37:27 GMT
Schweinfurt - Sandhausen 2:1 So we have the first upset, Hamburg of course, who else, losing against 3rd division Osnabrück who played with 10 men almost all game, on top of it. 4th division Schweinfurt beating 2nd division Sandhausen is technically an upset as well; although not too many people outside of Germany may know where Sandhausen is even located... (It's not far from Heidelberg)
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Post by mandragora on Aug 13, 2017 17:07:49 GMT
Next upset incoming? Stuttgart 2 down against fourth division Energie Cottbus after half an hour.
The next "Traditionsclub" with another shitshow, don't know who's worse, them or HSV. Why Mercedes decided to throw 40m into that black hole is beyond me. Or what Reschke wants there, for that matter.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 13, 2017 18:52:57 GMT
60 München - Ingolstadt 1:2 (0:1) Osnabrück - Hamburg 3:1 (1:0) Bonn - Hannover 2:6 (1:1) Dorfmerkingen - Leipzig 0:5 (0:1) Schweinfurt - Sandhausen 2:1 (0:1) Morlautern - Fürth 0:5 (0:2) Saarbrücken - Union Berlin i.V. 1:2 Nöttingen - Bochum 2:5 (0:2) Norderstedt - Wolfsburg 0:1 (0:0) So we have the first upset, Hamburg of course, who else, losing against 3rd division Osnabrück who played with 10 men almost all game, on top of it. Is Hamburg really an upset?!
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Post by mandragora on Aug 13, 2017 19:04:01 GMT
Even they shouldn't go down 3-0 against a ten men Osnabrück.
Augsburg is out against 3rd division Magdeburg, so there's your upset.
Penalty shootout in Cottbus, gave away the lead partly due to a particularly stupid own goal.
E: Stuttgart win on penalties.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 13, 2017 20:06:18 GMT
bluerisk Seen the latest comments of your formidable president. So Neymar isn't that good, he didn't really know James, Brazzo is the 1A solution to the sporting director vacuum, and Ribery and Robben can always claim a starting spot because otherwise they are pissed and the atmosphere suffers? Christ on a bike. Bring in a decent DoF. I saw the article of the Interview (with Wontorra) but I didn't bother to read it yet - the taglines were already enough for my blood pressure. But I've read an - unfortunatley -a short article why Bayern and the BVB have to follow Paris in their transfer policy for we have entered a pivotal era and now the shape of the future will be defined. Now, markets will be conquer or not, and if you haven't, you never will for the advantage of the others players has become too overwhelming. English, French or Spanish have become global languages because we were sleeping when the others were founding global empires. He called it a rat race, I would call rather a Stackelberg competition in which the follower will never be able to beat the leader when he has reach a certain market leadership. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competitionIn his final conclusion he express the expectation that there will be five super clubs that will dominate the global market. Imho it could be a bit more. But how many super clubs do you know in Basketball or Baseball albeit they have a cartel-like structure? The New York Yankees are overshadowing any other team in their series. Football and Basketball is a bit more diverse, but there is also a certain "royalty" like the Dallas Cowboys who have won shit over the last two decades but still remain the richest clubs of all due to their market position. A ManU-like club. I guess 3-4 English clubs, Paris, a club from Italy, and 2-3 clubs from Spain. If Bayern are continuing their current policy, they will fall back beyond a point of no return; when the lead of the other has become to dominant. Belated response. Do you have the money for a transfer policy a la Petro-$SG? Because if you don't, you'll have to come up with another strategy. This Bayern needs to become more professional urgently. Learned today that Brazzo (the master clown you installed for the purpose of masquerading as a sporting director) has put a "no smoking" order for the locker room in place. Another thing that defies belief. So they were actually allowed to smoke in the locker room? It's saying a lot if even someone like Brazzo, with no expertise or experience, can bring about improvements simply by prohibiting smoking in the locker room. IMO Uli and Kalle need to bring in a real sporting director/DoF ASAP. Not just a head scout, or a "technical director", but a real DoF. Someone who oversees and coordinates all things having to do with football. I can't even begin to understand why that position doesn't exist at Bayern. It's the single most important job in a football club, in my opinion. I've no idea how this works in English clubs - is the manager aka head coach supposed to do it as a side job? He has neither the time nor the qualifications.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 10:00:38 GMT
I saw the article of the Interview (with Wontorra) but I didn't bother to read it yet - the taglines were already enough for my blood pressure. But I've read an - unfortunatley -a short article why Bayern and the BVB have to follow Paris in their transfer policy for we have entered a pivotal era and now the shape of the future will be defined. Now, markets will be conquer or not, and if you haven't, you never will for the advantage of the others players has become too overwhelming. English, French or Spanish have become global languages because we were sleeping when the others were founding global empires. He called it a rat race, I would call rather a Stackelberg competition in which the follower will never be able to beat the leader when he has reach a certain market leadership. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stackelberg_competitionIn his final conclusion he express the expectation that there will be five super clubs that will dominate the global market. Imho it could be a bit more. But how many super clubs do you know in Basketball or Baseball albeit they have a cartel-like structure? The New York Yankees are overshadowing any other team in their series. Football and Basketball is a bit more diverse, but there is also a certain "royalty" like the Dallas Cowboys who have won shit over the last two decades but still remain the richest clubs of all due to their market position. A ManU-like club. I guess 3-4 English clubs, Paris, a club from Italy, and 2-3 clubs from Spain. If Bayern are continuing their current policy, they will fall back beyond a point of no return; when the lead of the other has become to dominant. Belated response. Do you have the money for a transfer policy a la Petro-$SG? Because if you don't, you'll have to come up with another strategy. This Bayern needs to become more professional urgently. Learned today that Brazzo (the master clown you installed for the purpose of masquerading as a sporting director) has put a "no smoking" order for the locker room in place. Another thing that defies belief. So they were actually allowed to smoke in the locker room? It's saying a lot if even someone like Brazzo, with no expertise or experience, can bring about improvements simply by prohibiting smoking in the locker room. IMO Uli and Kalle need to bring in a real sporting director/DoF ASAP. Not just a head scout, or a "technical director", but a real DoF. Someone who oversees and coordinates all things having to do with football. I can't even begin to understand why that position doesn't exist at Bayern. It's the single most important job in a football club, in my opinion. I've no idea how this works in English clubs - is the manager aka head coach supposed to do it as a side job? He has neither the time nor the qualifications. Aside this, they have the almost epic challenge to develop a new business model, even questioning the 50 + 1 rule, the utter sovereignty of the club and the loyalty to the DFL/Bundesliga. The Premier league was founded because five major clubs brough with their association for it was not willing to go into the next century*. But look where the PL is now, and what fields of income they have generated. Nobody said that it will be easy, it will be hard, and I don't think that Hoeneß and Rummenigge have what is needed. Effi Briest modus on: When Uli took over he was in his 30s, and you get only the Fields medal when your discovery was made before your 40th birthday. Why? It is said, that, with 40 and beyond, your mind has settled and lost its capability to be really open for new ideas, more so to develop new, ground-breaking ideas, to think out of the box. Uli Hoeneß is almost a tragedy, not only because his trial and prison time, but - like many founding patriarchs - he is destroying his lifetime achievement because he is unwilling to hand it over to the next generation. Hoeneß is a man with ideas and solutions of the 20th-Germany. But football has become global and the other leagues are marching forwad...and most likely it is already too late for the Bundesliga to compete with the other league in the long term. We are too late. The DFB/DFL has failed us in this regard. Anyway: They can't manage the FCB like a mid-sized family-own company albeit they have already the "AG" in their name. The challenge is to become this AG, a global player that acts, operates and plans as such. To hiere Brazzo is simply unprofessional but serve the idea of the "big family", of the Gemütlichkeit here, and the cold evil world there - far and distant. And the DFB/DFL is not a solution but a problem. * 1992 spalteten sich Manchester United, that club from Liverpool (not Everton), Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur und Everton von der 104 Jahre alten Football League ab und gründeten mit gleichgesinnten Klubs die neue Premier League. Diese egoistische Maßnahme sollte den Fußball und die Weise, in der mit ihm Geld verdient wird, für immer verändern.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 14, 2017 10:46:17 GMT
Not going into the debate on principles about 50+1, Bayern leaving the Bundesliga etc. If this keeps up you'll have to worry about other things sooner or later.
I think in general you can't reproach them with managing the club like a family-owned company. When it comes to finances, marketing, etc., the whole business side, you have competent people in place. It's the football stuff that's behind the times, and that's probably because Uli (and to a lesser extent Kalle, too) think they were world-class footballers and they know it best themselves, without acknowledging a) they never were coaches or scouts or squad planners, and b) football has evolved a lot since their active times. No doctor on site, no professional "Belastungssteuerung" (no idea how that translates into English, couldn't find a translation, it means something along the lines of optimizing training and performance intensities to cut down the likelihood of injuries), nutrition not up to standard, smoking in the locker room, and so on and so forth. Those weren't issues 30 years ago. Hence they don't take it seriously, and they're not ready to give up power in that department and install a professional football management. Just my two cents.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 11:51:59 GMT
Not going into the debate on principles about 50+1, Bayern leaving the Bundesliga etc. If this keeps up you'll have to worry about other things sooner or later. I think in general you can't reproach them with managing the club like a family-owned company. When it comes to finances, marketing, etc., the whole business side, you have competent people in place. It's the football stuff that's behind the times, and that's probably because Uli (and to a lesser extent Kalle, too) think they were world-class footballers and they know it best themselves, without acknowledging a) they never were coaches or scouts or squad planners, and b) football has evolved a lot since their active times. No doctor on site, no professional "Belastungssteuerung" (no idea how that translates into English, couldn't find a translation, it means something along the lines of optimizing training and performance intensities to cut down the likelihood of injuries), nutrition not up to standard, smoking in the locker room, and so on and so forth. Those weren't issues 30 years ago. Hence they don't take it seriously, and they're not ready to give up power in that department and install a professional football management. Just my two cents. Well, maybe it is because I'm one of those guys who had no better idea then to study business adminsitration (and math) and I'm also knocking on the door to my 40s. Hence I might be a bit biased too. On these micro-management things: I can or do mostly agree. But that Müller-Wohlfahrt has to be present at every training session - no. A good and special trained doctor is more than sufficient for the first aid treatment. The actual treatement etc. pp. can be done by M-W for he will need most likely certain diagnosis steps in advance (CT-Scan, MRT-Scan, X-Ray, blood test results etc. pp.). This should not mean that the micro-management is not important - it is. But it should be done by the heads of the specific depertament and not the chairman of the board or the CEO. And the hiring of these "heads" should be done professional...* Many people do not even have an idea for what a sporting director is needed at all. A useless position that cost the club only money... For what does a company needs a controller?!
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Post by mandragora on Aug 14, 2017 12:10:50 GMT
Müller-Wohlfahrt? Are they about to bring Müller-Wohlfahrt back? He's just turned 75! The issue Pep had was that there was no doctor on site at all, only physiotherapists. At least that problem is resolved.
I didn't mean Uli and Kalle should do the micro-management themselves, but they have to put the management structures and the right people in place.
DoF: The comparison with the controller is fitting. Not too long ago, many midsize companies didn't have a controller, nor did they understand why they need one. Let alone other business instruments, like key-figures based planning.
It's not enough to just leave the micro-management to the heads of department, in my opinion. Because there are so many interrelated factors, someone has to oversee and coordinate the whole machine to make it work. Doesn't have to go into Leipzig dimensions, where some people say the kitchen doesn't even decide what to serve for dinner without the DoF's approval. Installing someone like Zorc in Dortmund would be a good start.
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 14, 2017 13:13:49 GMT
Müller-Wohlfahrt? Are they about to bring Müller-Wohlfahrt back? He's just turned 75! The issue Pep had was that there was no doctor on site at all, only physiotherapists. At least that problem is resolved. I didn't mean Uli and Kalle should do the micro-management themselves, but they have to put the management structures and the right people in place. DoF: The comparison with the controller is fitting. Not too long ago, many midsize companies didn't have a controller, nor did they understand why they need one. Let alone other business instruments, like key-figures based planning. It's not enough to just leave the micro-management to the heads of department, in my opinion. Because there are so many interrelated factors, someone has to oversee and coordinate the whole machine to make it work. Doesn't have to go into Leipzig dimensions, where some people say the kitchen doesn't even decide what to serve for dinner without the DoF's approval. Installing someone like Zorc in Dortmund would be a good start. Müller-Wohlfaht/Pep was just an example. Pep wnated that he personal is present albeit - like now - a spicific trained doctor: first aid, sport injuries is the best solution. You will not able to hire the best doctors if you force them to waste most of their time in training sessions. But Pep was just expecting this. Pep had a point, but he turned it into a power-play. Managment structure: absolutely, and guys like Brazzo are most likeable, but the wrong ones. It's their connection to the club, not their expertise. That's what I mean with not doing the micro-management but hiring the heads for the specific departments...according to the needed qualification and capabilities. The structures are then implemented by these departments and the teams who run them.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 14, 2017 16:38:22 GMT
Final four DFB Cup fixtures:
Duisburg - Nürnberg Paderborn - St. Pauli BFC Dynamo - Schalke Rostock - Hertha BSC
First competitive game for Schalke's new coach Domenico Tedesco. 2nd youngest coach in the Bundesliga, at 31.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 14, 2017 20:24:52 GMT
Duisburg - Nürnberg 1:2 (0:2) Paderborn - St. Pauli 2:1 (1:0) BFC Dynamo - Schalke 0:2 (0:0)
Schalke really made the heavy weather of this game, wasn't nearly as clear as the result suggests. I have no special love for Schalke, just hope their young manager doesn't ruin his career in that toxic environment before it even starts.
Rostock - Hertha BSC 0:0 (0:0)
Called off / interrupted because lobotomized "fans" set the stands of fire with pyrotechnics.
E: Rostock - Hertha BSC 2:0 (0:0), after the game was resumed.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 15, 2017 15:41:38 GMT
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Post by bluerisk on Aug 15, 2017 17:09:38 GMT
So, when it was all Mull's fault, why is he botching everything at ManCity?!
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Post by mandragora on Aug 18, 2017 10:58:33 GMT
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Post by mandragora on Aug 18, 2017 17:18:17 GMT
In about an hour the new season officially starts (introducing the VAR system as explained in the video above) with
Bayern vs Bayer 04
It's a shame that Leverkusen have been disintegrating over the last months and look set to continue to dismantle themselves, with more incomprehensible transfer business. Two years ago, that fixture promised to be quite the game. Hope dies last, but realistically, today Bayern can be confident to win.
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