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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2017 5:28:48 GMT
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 12, 2017 5:32:33 GMT
who copies the Copymen?
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 12, 2017 5:35:02 GMT
Dude, comics copy each other all the time. Just deal with it.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 12, 2017 16:18:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 16:22:22 GMT
Shakespeare never wrote a single original thing in his life.
J.R.R. Tolkien borrowed heavily from Norse legends.
C.S. Lewis took things from all over, wholesale.
Superman is a combination of Moses and Hercules, but an alien.
Batman is Sherlock Holmes and Zorro.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 12, 2017 18:10:47 GMT
"There is nothing new under the sun." - Ecclesiastes
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Post by sostie on Jun 12, 2017 18:26:25 GMT
Some comparisons are a bit of a stretch. (Batman/Moon Knight, Atom/Ant Man for instance)
Vision didn't come after Martian Manhunter, he was published 15 years before in 1940 in by Timeley Comics which became Marvel.
Plastic Man, like Shazam & V for Vendetta, wasn't a DC creation, he was acquired from another publisher
Deathlok could have been included, who pre-dates DC's Cyborg (the first Deathlok story was called "Cyborg"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 20:21:46 GMT
Dude, comics copy each other all the time. Just deal with it. Indeed! JL was created as a response to Fantastic Four and then The Avengers were created as a response to JL. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 6:51:57 GMT
Dude, comics copy each other all the time. Just deal with it. Indeed! JL was created as a response to Fantastic Four and then The Avengers were created as a response to JL. No, Fantastic Four was created in 1961 as a response to Justice League in 1960.
The 1st superhero team was the Justice Society of America in the early 1940s. The Justice League was created in 1960 and was supposed to be a new version of the Justice Society but the name was changed to Justice League.
The Justice League comics were very popular so Stan Lee's boss at Marvel Comics told Stan lee to create a superhero team for Marvel Comics. Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four in 1961 and later created the X-Men and the Avengers in 1963. So just as comic-book superheroes wouldn't exist if not for Superman, likewise the Fantastic Four, the X-Men, and the Avengers wouldn't exist if not for the Justice League.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 6:56:13 GMT
Vision didn't come after Martian Manhunter, he was published 15 years before in 1940 in by Timeley Comics which became Marvel. The Vision character in Timely Comics in 1940 had the same name as the Vision character in the Avengers but was really a different character. It's similar to the Human Torch. The Human Torch (android) character in Timely Comics that first appeared in 1939 had the same name as the Human Torch (Johnny Storm) character in the Fantastic Four in 1961 but was really a different character. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 13, 2017 11:55:38 GMT
The Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League, especially considering that the FF were actually an original concept (the idea of a superhero team who were also a family with family problems) and the JLA had little going for it except "Team".
The FF would exist without the JLA, the JLA didn't matter.
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Post by sostie on Jun 13, 2017 14:00:05 GMT
Vision didn't come after Martian Manhunter, he was published 15 years before in 1940 in by Timeley Comics which became Marvel. The Vision character in Timely Comics in 1940 had the same name as the Vision character in the Avengers but was really a different character. It's similar to the Human Torch. The Human Torch (android) character in Timely Comics that first appeared in 1939 had the same name as the Human Torch (Johnny Storm) character in the Fantastic Four in 1961 but was really a different character. But their origin/powers are not that similar (or dissimilar to other characters) and it seems the link is going for (as with a few others) a visual comparison, and in that respect Timely Vision is very similar to both the later Marvel Vision and Martian Manhunter |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2017 20:08:37 GMT
The Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League, especially considering that the FF were actually an original concept (the idea of a superhero team who were also a family with family problems) You just said it. I'll quote you: "the idea of a superhero team". That was an idea that DC first came up with and Marvel's boss told Stan Lee to copy. So yes, the Fantastic Four was in fact created in 1961 (and later the X-Men and Avengers in 1963) only because of the popularity of the Justice League comics. Moreover, Stan Lee himself has admitted to that. The FF would exist without the JLA, the JLA didn't matter. No, the Fantastic Four (and the X-Men and Avengers, and by extension the MCU) wouldn't exist without the Justice League. Stan Lee himself has admitted that he created the Fantastic Four only because his boss at Marvel Comics told him to create a superhero team for Marvel Comics after his boss saw how popular the Justice League comics were and Stan Lee himself said that if he didn't create a superhero team for Marvel Comics as his boss had told him to, then he would've been fired. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 14, 2017 2:10:28 GMT
The Fantastic Four had nothing to do with the Justice League, especially considering that the FF were actually an original concept (the idea of a superhero team who were also a family with family problems) You just said it. I'll quote you: "the idea of a superhero team". That was an idea that DC first came up with and Marvel's boss told Stan Lee to copy. So yes, the Fantastic Four was in fact created in 1961 (and later the X-Men and Avengers in 1963) only because of the popularity of the Justice League comics. Moreover, Stan Lee himself has admitted to that. The FF would exist without the JLA, the JLA didn't matter. No, the Fantastic Four (and the X-Men and Avengers, and by extension the MCU) wouldn't exist without the Justice League. Stan Lee himself has admitted that he created the Fantastic Four only because his boss at Marvel Comics told him to create a superhero team for Marvel Comics after his boss saw how popular the Justice League comics were and Stan Lee himself said that if he didn't create a superhero team for Marvel Comics as his boss had told him to, then he would've been fired. Nah, the Fantastic Four would've existed without the JLA. JLA is too generic to have really inspired anything, especially compared to the effort Marvel put into the FF. If anything, DC was inspired to make changes to their characters to reflect the deeper effort Marvel put into theirs. That story about how the JLA "inspired" Marvel is hyperbole, Marvel's creations would exist without any input from DC. The concept of a team predates DC by quite a while, anyways. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 14, 2017 4:34:02 GMT
You just said it. I'll quote you: "the idea of a superhero team". That was an idea that DC first came up with and Marvel's boss told Stan Lee to copy. So yes, the Fantastic Four was in fact created in 1961 (and later the X-Men and Avengers in 1963) only because of the popularity of the Justice League comics. Moreover, Stan Lee himself has admitted to that. No, the Fantastic Four (and the X-Men and Avengers, and by extension the MCU) wouldn't exist without the Justice League. Stan Lee himself has admitted that he created the Fantastic Four only because his boss at Marvel Comics told him to create a superhero team for Marvel Comics after his boss saw how popular the Justice League comics were and Stan Lee himself said that if he didn't create a superhero team for Marvel Comics as his boss had told him to, then he would've been fired. Nah, the Fantastic Four would've existed without the JLA. JLA is too generic to have really inspired anything, especially compared to the effort Marvel put into the FF. If anything, DC was inspired to make changes to their characters to reflect the deeper effort Marvel put into theirs. That story about how the JLA "inspired" Marvel is hyperbole, Marvel's creations would exist without any input from DC. Nope, the Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Avengers (and thus by extension the MCU) would never have existed without the Justice League. Stan Lee himself has admitted to that. So you basically have no argument since Stan Lee himself has already admitted to that.
The concept of a team predates DC by quite a while Not superhero teams. The Justice Society of America was the very first superhero team in the comics. And DC created the Justice Society of America. Therefore, DC created the concept of superhero teams in the comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 4:39:22 GMT
You're exhausting! Go play in traffic, kid.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 14, 2017 4:47:21 GMT
Shakespeare never wrote a single original thing in his life. J.R.R. Tolkien borrowed heavily from Norse legends. C.S. Lewis took things from all over, wholesale. Superman is a combination of Moses and Hercules, but an alien. Batman is Sherlock Holmes and Zorro. Let us not forget the world of Harry Potter with all the many borrowed bits and pieces. Part of the fun is recognizing the sources and influences in all of these. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 5:00:34 GMT
Shakespeare never wrote a single original thing in his life. J.R.R. Tolkien borrowed heavily from Norse legends. C.S. Lewis took things from all over, wholesale. Superman is a combination of Moses and Hercules, but an alien. Batman is Sherlock Holmes and Zorro. Let us not forget the world of Harry Potter with all the many borrowed bits and pieces. Part of the fun is recognizing the sources and influences in all of these. I liked Harry Potter better when it was still called Wizard's Hall. Oh, yeah, I went there. |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Jun 14, 2017 5:04:28 GMT
Ok I had to google it , @weirdraptor:
Wizard's Hall is a 1991 fantasy novel by Jane Yolen. The Harry Potter series, which began publishing eight years later, has many similarities. However, Yolen believes the similarities are coincidental
I remember Jane Yolen. Might be fun to read WH too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 5:20:42 GMT
Ok I had to google it , @weirdraptor : Wizard's Hall is a 1991 fantasy novel by Jane Yolen. The Harry Potter series, which began publishing eight years later, has many similarities. However, Yolen believes the similarities are coincidentalI remember Jane Yolen. Might be fun to read WH too. I was partially joking with that. I think Rowling may have taken a couple of things from Wizard's Hall, but no, she didn't rip it off wholesale. Another one to check out would be Books of Magic by Neil Gaiman, though I know he can be an acquired taste. |
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