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Post by Aj_June on Jun 30, 2017 19:16:57 GMT
You can't enjoy tasty chicken or mutton after you are dead.
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Post by THawk on Jun 30, 2017 19:36:19 GMT
All other answers, from either end of the scale, constitute defeat and darkness I couldn't disagree more, but either way does that actually matter? If the truth is "defeat and darkness" then so be it. Let us have that over a bright victorious lie. Sure, but that is the opposite of what secular humanists preach. They act as if happiness and joy is still morally acceptable in a world that (without God and an afterlife) would be the most horrifically unjust, nightmarish reality humans can envision, where that woman's child, and the billions throughout human history that have met the same fate, just rot away and are lost to time forever without an ounce of justice and deliverance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 20:29:03 GMT
I couldn't disagree more, but either way does that actually matter? If the truth is "defeat and darkness" then so be it. Let us have that over a bright victorious lie. Sure, but that is the opposite of what secular humanists preach. They act as if happiness and joy is still morally acceptable in a world that (without God and an afterlife) would be the most horrifically unjust, nightmarish reality humans can envision, where that woman's child, and the billions throughout human history that have met the same fate, just rot away and are lost to time forever without an ounce of justice and deliverance. And I think the secular humanists are completely correct and you are completely wrong about that. In fact I think you have it exactly backwards - if god does turn out to exist I can't think of much that would be worse. Though it does rather depend on the version of god in question. But either way, let the truth be told.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jun 30, 2017 21:08:05 GMT
Evidence of spiritual phenomena surround you and if it was water you'd drown it. Such as? In this we agree! And......THIS is the point at which I stop reading and ultimately no longer give a sh*t about your opinion on any subject. People who lose arguments ought to go away, but I doubt you really will.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 21:16:11 GMT
Evidence of spiritual phenomena surround you and if it was water you'd drown it. Such as? You'll never get an answer to this question. Arlon is utterly convinced that there is tremendous evidence for the supernatural - and utterly unable to name a single shred of it. A cynical person might come to the conclusion that he was just lying about it. Thank the IPU I'm not such a cynical person!
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 1, 2017 0:13:36 GMT
You'll never get an answer to this question. Arlon is utterly convinced that there is tremendous evidence for the supernatural - and utterly unable to name a single shred of it. A cynical person might come to the conclusion that he was just lying about it. Thank the IPU I'm not such a cynical person! I've made considerable effort to help you see the evidence. I've explained why you have ignored it. Do extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence? Akiane Kramarik is extraordinary. At least she would be if what people say about her is true, that she was able to paint at such an early age. It proves nothing to you though. You have no confidence that she did paint at an early age. Or do you? I wasn't there. I don't know with any confidence at all who painted the pictures any more than you do. However someone was there. Her mother would know who painted the pictures. There are numerous cases where people have seen or heard things that could not be known except through other senses than the ordinary. It's too bad you weren't there to see it. I'm disappointed myself I wasn't there to see any of it. But I don't make the outrageous claim that no one saw it. I can't say they didn't see something and you can't either. Do you still not realize what a remarkably stupid thing it is for you to go on the internet and say there is "no evidence"?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:29:37 GMT
I've made considerable effort to help you see the evidence. These efforts have never risen to actually citing it, though. Lie. At best, Akiane Kramarik demonstrates that a person can paint paintings. Not sure what is meant to be "extraordinary" about that. I've no idea whether she did or not. Let's grant that she painted then. This demonstrates that a person can paint paintings. Hardly shaking the foundations there. I think you have misunderstood me. You're making claims and providing anecdotes. What I asked for was evidence. Me neither. You seem to think that I'm claiming that none of these things happened. I haven't. I've merely asked you for evidence that they did. But I haven't. I've just asked for evidence. Does it work the other way, incidentally? Because you said "There are numerous cases where people have seen or heard things that could not be known except through other senses than the ordinary", but then you went on to say we weren't there so we shouldn't claim that it never happened. I agree. But why then do you assert that it DID happen, if you don't actually know? Actually I said that YOU would never provide evidence. And in response, you made a post that contained no evidence of anything supernatural. So can you show us evidence or not?
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 1, 2017 0:49:38 GMT
So can you show us evidence or not? If you call me a liar, you shouldn't be surprised if my respect for you falls to the pits. Someone else here has been surprised that after he showed absolute disregard for my stance I would should show absolute disregard for his. A funny thing about being very intelligent is not being surprised as much as other people are. Admittedly the Kramarik example does not address extrasensory perception, just unusually fast ordinary perception. You should know though that cases of actual extrasensory perception abound. (Thus you would "drown" in them.) I have never seen them first hand myself. That's part of the reason I can be no more help than I am. I have very close and trusted associates whose claims I believe. However it is not their wish to burden you with claims you would not believe. Rather they hope and pray you get your own first hand evidence, as do I. In the meantime please realize that other witnesses have taken it upon themselves to assist you as best they can despite your incredulity. They publish their claims knowing you won't believe them immediately. You might say there is no "proof" but you can't say there is no "evidence." Do you see the difference yet?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 1, 2017 0:53:04 GMT
That won't happen with me, as graham can't lose something he never earned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:55:18 GMT
So can you show us evidence or not? If you call me a liar, you shouldn't be surprised if my respect for you falls to the pits. Someone else here has been surprised that after he showed absolute disregard for my stance I would should show absolute disregard for his. A funny thing about being very intelligent is not being surprised as much as other people are. Admittedly the Kramarik example does not address extrasensory perception, just unusually fast ordinary perception. You should know though that cases of actual extrasensory perception abound. (Thus you would "drown" in them.) I have never seen them first hand myself. That's part of the reason I can be no more help than I am. I have very close and trusted associates whose claims I believe. However it is not their wish to burden you with claims you would not believe. Rather they hope and pray you get your own first hand evidence, as do I. In the meantime please realize that other witnesses have taken it upon themselves to assist you as best they can despite your incredulity. They publish their claims knowing you won't believe them immediately. You might say there is no "proof" but you can't say there is no "evidence." Do you see the difference yet? I really don't care about your respect for me. In fact no, that's not quite true; I would prefer you had none. You claimed evidence. You've provided none. As predicted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 0:56:27 GMT
That won't happen with me, as graham can't lose something he never earned. I do not want to have the respect of either Arlon or you. To have it would be a strong indicator that I had gone very badly wrong.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 1, 2017 0:58:58 GMT
If you call me a liar, you shouldn't be surprised if my respect for you falls to the pits. Someone else here has been surprised that after he showed absolute disregard for my stance I would should show absolute disregard for his. A funny thing about being very intelligent is not being surprised as much as other people are. Admittedly the Kramarik example does not address extrasensory perception, just unusually fast ordinary perception. You should know though that cases of actual extrasensory perception abound. (Thus you would "drown" in them.) I have never seen them first hand myself. That's part of the reason I can be no more help than I am. I have very close and trusted associates whose claims I believe. However it is not their wish to burden you with claims you would not believe. Rather they hope and pray you get your own first hand evidence, as do I. In the meantime please realize that other witnesses have taken it upon themselves to assist you as best they can despite your incredulity. They publish their claims knowing you won't believe them immediately. You might say there is no "proof" but you can't say there is no "evidence." Do you see the difference yet? I really don't care about your respect for me. In fact no, that's not quite true; I would prefer you had none. You claimed evidence. You've provided none. As predicted. First prove you're not an idiot. Then we'll see what I can prove.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 1, 2017 0:59:31 GMT
That won't happen with me, as graham can't lose something he never earned. I do not want to have the respect of either Arlon or you. To have it would be a strong indicator that I had gone very badly wrong. You went badly wrong when you became an NWO puppet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 1:36:43 GMT
I do not want to have the respect of either Arlon or you. To have it would be a strong indicator that I had gone very badly wrong. You went badly wrong when you became an NWO puppet. Look who's talking, Mr "I shill for big oil corporations like a good little boy".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 1:38:58 GMT
I really don't care about your respect for me. In fact no, that's not quite true; I would prefer you had none. You claimed evidence. You've provided none. As predicted. First prove you're not an idiot. Then we'll see what I can prove. Another post that contains none of the claimed evidence. Though it does contain a clumsy attempt to distract from that simple fact with insults. Well done you!
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Post by vomisacaasi on Jul 1, 2017 2:44:28 GMT
Energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only change forms. Since we are basically electro/chemical engines our 'energy' is not gone but only changed forms. Yes. And when you die, the chemical energy of your body is consumed by bacteria and such, becoming chemical energy in their bodies. The heat energy in your body dissipates into the surroundings. But the fact that your energy survives your death in no way indicates that you do. It appears that you aren't so much the energy of your body as you are the intricate pattern of that energy and the way it changes over time - much as a computer program is not the hardware of the machine but the current flowing through the circuits, taking different paths according to the rules of the machine and the program. If you turn that computer off and then dismantle it, the energy that was the program does not cease to exist - it dissipates into the environment as heat. But the program itself is lost forever. So it is, apparently, with brains. Our energy is never lost - but we are. I am not disputing that. What I am talking about is the quantum energy and what is known as 'spooking action at a distance.(not sure if I have that correct) While your analogy of a computer and computer program is essentially what I am saying for the most part. I am actually arguing there is much more to us than just the chemical energy and while what makes you you does not survive the you that has interacted with the universe does and that interaction can be measured. Perhaps not by you or me or anyone alive today. (actively) I am saying that maybe just maybe it will be possible in the future.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 1, 2017 7:14:58 GMT
First prove you're not an idiot. Then we'll see what I can prove. Another post that contains none of the claimed evidence. Though it does contain a clumsy attempt to distract from that simple fact with insults. Well done you! With insults you say? The reason you don't believe you are just as insulting or more in the first place is that you're too stupid. You're like captainbryce that way. He claimed a privilege in argument, like there's some "rule" that says he's right. There is a "rule" in a manner of speaking, but it does not give his argument any privilege. It gives the argument against him one. If you claim a car belongs to you that doesn't and attempt to drive off, people in Texas might shoot you dead, and in Texas that could be legal. I am not going to shoot captainbryce , but I have strong words against him. Things are different in Virginia. Killing in defense of property is not self defense unless it is defense of life, unless life is in immediate danger. All that is over your atheist heads so you watch your opponents get upset and imagine it's their fault they do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 10:45:34 GMT
Another post that contains none of the claimed evidence. Though it does contain a clumsy attempt to distract from that simple fact with insults. Well done you! With insults you say? The reason you don't believe you are just as insulting or more in the first place is that you're too stupid. You're like captainbryce that way. He claimed a privilege in argument, like there's some "rule" that says he's right. There is a "rule" in a manner of speaking, but it does not give his argument any privilege. It gives the argument against him one. If you claim a car belongs to you that doesn't and attempt to drive off, people in Texas might shoot you dead, and in Texas that could be legal. I am not going to shoot captainbryce , but I have strong words against him. Things are different in Virginia. Killing in defense of property is not self defense unless it is defense of life, unless life is in immediate danger. All that is over your atheist heads so you watch your opponents get upset and imagine it's their fault they do. Oh look, another post that doesn't have any evidence in it. What a shocker.
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Post by Arlon10 on Jul 1, 2017 10:56:32 GMT
With insults you say? The reason you don't believe you are just as insulting or more in the first place is that you're too stupid. You're like captainbryce that way. He claimed a privilege in argument, like there's some "rule" that says he's right. There is a "rule" in a manner of speaking, but it does not give his argument any privilege. It gives the argument against him one. If you claim a car belongs to you that doesn't and attempt to drive off, people in Texas might shoot you dead, and in Texas that could be legal. I am not going to shoot captainbryce , but I have strong words against him. Things are different in Virginia. Killing in defense of property is not self defense unless it is defense of life, unless life is in immediate danger. All that is over your atheist heads so you watch your opponents get upset and imagine it's their fault they do. Oh look, another post that doesn't have any evidence in it. What a shocker. You're still not seeing evidence other people do, what a shocker!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 11:13:07 GMT
Oh look, another post that doesn't have any evidence in it. What a shocker. You're still not seeing evidence other people do, what a shocker! You haven't produced any, Arlon. You told us a story about a little girl who is a good painter. And then you claimed that some people have supernatural abilities. And we shouldn't dismiss that, because it might be true. But evidence? You merely blather about how there absolutely IS evidence, oh yes, it's so obvious that only idiots would deny it. But you've posted none, and you will post none. Because you don't actually have any.
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