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Post by PanLeo on Jun 26, 2017 19:32:58 GMT
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 26, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
That wasn't what I said, was it? No I don't. I have zero responsibility, moral or otherwise to sacrifice anything for others outside of family and social circle. I certainly have no responsibility to "take it on the chin" where my nations economy and social systems are at stake. Do you have things you don't need to survive? Do you eat treats and drink things you don't need to ? Do you spend money on entertainment? Yes, you do, so don't give me this "Yoo weantz teh nu Iphone n people r strving n stuff, yu is teh badz" bullshit. At may very well do what a lot of the rest of us do, give to charities, that doesn't make you morally superior to anyone. So in your head we should focus the maximum resources on the people from the third world who need the least help, because it makes you feel warm and fuzzy? Rather than use the maximum resources to help more people including those that need it most because you can't see the result and don't get to feel great about yourself. Or stupid, or lied to. From the guy who justified terrorists killing children? Pot meet kettle. All immigration does economically is cause the economy to stumble a little. Whether you know someone or not is irrelevant to morally responsiblity. If I didn't spend money to enjoy myself I might commit suicide due to depression, it's not worth the risk. When did I say focus the maximum resources (whatever that even means) only on immigrants? It is well established those in the third world know you can die (as many have) in the trip to Europe. Many of their relatives of gone missing, never to be heard of again on such trips. I never justified that. I said the IRA were not to blame. A warning was given. £14,000,000,000 per year of tax payers money in the UK. £9,000,000,000 per year in Sweden. No it isn't. See I can make declarative statements as well. But, but, but you said I shouldn't....... I didn't claim you did. By whom? When? Stop making things up. Whatever, anyone with any sense of "moral responsibility" would not let a bomber abdicate responsibility for a childs death because they "gave a warning" You're a massive hypocrite.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 26, 2017 21:46:58 GMT
Probably for the same reason I'm Right Crazy. Because Rabbit doesn't like you. See even on a thread about condemning Nazis, I still get called a Nazi. Because logic.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 26, 2017 21:49:59 GMT
tpfkar Well, more accurately just crazy. Who cares if it harms the economy?
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Post by vernuf on Jun 26, 2017 21:51:07 GMT
What's your problem with it, hairspray? You'd fit right in with them.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 26, 2017 21:54:18 GMT
What's your problem with it, hairspray? You'd fit right in with them. Any luck on finding that evidence of me supporting Nazis or defending Nazi tactics yet? Or are you going to run away like a coward again when asked to support your bullshit?
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Post by vernuf on Jun 26, 2017 21:55:30 GMT
Peter Ustinov said in effect, Globalism creates Nazis. The question is whether incompetence was the motivation for flooding Europe with third world agitators or was it planned for some time. It's like they were thinking: great idea--we will have these wars in the Middle East, and then send the survivors to Europe. Everyone happy. Fuck, you're a dumbshit.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 26, 2017 21:59:58 GMT
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 26, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
Says the one whose articulation spectrum is comprised of witless profanity.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 26, 2017 22:05:11 GMT
Says the one whose articulation spectrum is comprised of witless profanity. Odds on he responds by calling you a name then runs off.
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Post by chalk2 on Jun 26, 2017 22:18:00 GMT
Says the one whose articulation spectrum is comprised of witless profanity. Odds on he responds by calling you a name then runs off. "Never was so much owed by so many to so few."
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 27, 2017 8:24:30 GMT
All immigration does economically is cause the economy to stumble a little. Whether you know someone or not is irrelevant to morally responsiblity. If I didn't spend money to enjoy myself I might commit suicide due to depression, it's not worth the risk. When did I say focus the maximum resources (whatever that even means) only on immigrants? It is well established those in the third world know you can die (as many have) in the trip to Europe. Many of their relatives of gone missing, never to be heard of again on such trips. I never justified that. I said the IRA were not to blame. A warning was given. £14,000,000,000 per year of tax payers money in the UK. £9,000,000,000 per year in Sweden. No it isn't. See I can make declarative statements as well. But, but, but you said I shouldn't....... I didn't claim you did. By whom? When? Stop making things up. Whatever, anyone with any sense of "moral responsibility" would not let a bomber abdicate responsibility for a childs death because they "gave a warning" You're a massive hypocrite. Yes you did claim that. Reread your post. It seems like common sense to me. Someone tries to make it to Europe and they are never heard of again and they are presumed dead, word then spreads around the village. Those who live in the third world are not hermits living in caves. It's hardly a bombers fault if the police don't do their job well and evacuate the area in time.
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Post by vernuf on Jun 27, 2017 15:43:28 GMT
Hairspray, if you don't want to be lumped in with Nazis, don't defend those advocating for the sort of things Nazis would advocate for. It's really that simple.
And prime, you sure got me. Good job with the hammer sharp wit of going for the obvious. I surely am cut by your exacting wit and your clever wordplay.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 27, 2017 17:06:43 GMT
Hairspray, if you don't want to be lumped in with Nazis, don't defend those advocating for the sort of things Nazis would advocate for. It's really that simple. And prime, you sure got me. Good job with the hammer sharp wit of going for the obvious. I surely am cut by your exacting wit and your clever wordplay. Such as? You keep calling me a Nazi or a Nazi apologist or claim I defend Nazis and their tactics, yet every time I ask you to give examples you run away, only to reemerge months later to repeat the cycle. I have now asked you at least twice on this board to justify your claims and you still refuse. So I'll ask yet again. Which Nazis have I defended? What Nazi tactics have I defended? What Nazi policies or beliefs have I espoused? You don't even have to give citations, as I accept this may have come from the old board. Just put forth your claims.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 27, 2017 17:10:27 GMT
£14,000,000,000 per year of tax payers money in the UK. £9,000,000,000 per year in Sweden. No it isn't. See I can make declarative statements as well. But, but, but you said I shouldn't....... I didn't claim you did. By whom? When? Stop making things up. Whatever, anyone with any sense of "moral responsibility" would not let a bomber abdicate responsibility for a childs death because they "gave a warning" You're a massive hypocrite. Yes you did claim that. Reread your post. It seems like common sense to me. Someone tries to make it to Europe and they are never heard of again and they are presumed dead, word then spreads around the village. Those who live in the third world are not hermits living in caves. It's hardly a bombers fault if the police don't do their job well and evacuate the area in time. No, you need to re read it. I did not say you claimed we should spend maximum resources only on migrants. You are wrong. No, I'm sure lots of people starving to death in Somalia have smartphones and twitter. Maybe had they warned the right town......But another great example of your hypocrisy. I have to give people money because I have a moral responsibility, but a guy who makes and plants an explosive device isn't responsible when it kills someone.....It was the polices fault for not finding it quick enough. Bollocks.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 27, 2017 20:40:56 GMT
Yes you did claim that. Reread your post. It seems like common sense to me. Someone tries to make it to Europe and they are never heard of again and they are presumed dead, word then spreads around the village. Those who live in the third world are not hermits living in caves. It's hardly a bombers fault if the police don't do their job well and evacuate the area in time. No, you need to re read it. I did not say you claimed we should spend maximum resources only on migrants. You are wrong. No, I'm sure lots of people starving to death in Somalia have smartphones and twitter. Maybe had they warned the right town......But another great example of your hypocrisy. I have to give people money because I have a moral responsibility, but a guy who makes and plants an explosive device isn't responsible when it kills someone.....It was the polices fault for not finding it quick enough. Bollocks. You said this "So in your head we should focus the maximum resources on the people from the third world who need the least help" Ok you didn't say immigrants you said immigrants in the thurd world who need the least help but I still never said that.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 27, 2017 21:13:28 GMT
No, you need to re read it. I did not say you claimed we should spend maximum resources only on migrants. You are wrong. No, I'm sure lots of people starving to death in Somalia have smartphones and twitter. Maybe had they warned the right town......But another great example of your hypocrisy. I have to give people money because I have a moral responsibility, but a guy who makes and plants an explosive device isn't responsible when it kills someone.....It was the polices fault for not finding it quick enough. Bollocks. You said this "So in your head we should focus the maximum resources on the people from the third world who need the least help" Ok you didn't say immigrants you said immigrants in the thurd world who need the least help but I still never said that. Yes, I'm talking about the resources used on non British nationals who need help. The migrants who get here get the maximum help available, but need the help the least. This takes away the funds available to help others who need the help more. This isn't complicated. If I give £10,000 a year to third world aid, that money can help hundreds of thousand of people with basic healthcare, clean water, food and shelter. Or I can house a single refugee, maybe two. In no way does the latter makes sense.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 27, 2017 22:44:43 GMT
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 28, 2017 21:33:28 GMT
You said this "So in your head we should focus the maximum resources on the people from the third world who need the least help" Ok you didn't say immigrants you said immigrants in the thurd world who need the least help but I still never said that. Yes, I'm talking about the resources used on non British nationals who need help. The migrants who get here get the maximum help available, but need the help the least. This takes away the funds available to help others who need the help more. This isn't complicated. If I give £10,000 a year to third world aid, that money can help hundreds of thousand of people with basic healthcare, clean water, food and shelter. Or I can house a single refugee, maybe two. In no way does the latter makes sense. If those in government are smart the amount donated to the third world will not be effected. Migrants are not the strain kn the economy you claim them to be.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 28, 2017 23:22:43 GMT
Yes, I'm talking about the resources used on non British nationals who need help. The migrants who get here get the maximum help available, but need the help the least. This takes away the funds available to help others who need the help more. This isn't complicated. If I give £10,000 a year to third world aid, that money can help hundreds of thousand of people with basic healthcare, clean water, food and shelter. Or I can house a single refugee, maybe two. In no way does the latter makes sense. If those in government are smart the amount donated to the third world will not be effected. Migrants are not the strain kn the economy you claim them to be. So whats the point? They don't benefit the country economically. There is no evidence that "diversity" benefits anything and evidence to suggest the exact opposite. If you look at per capita crime, non nationals are always over represented. You import other peoples problems. "Africans" are not a homogeneous group. They have the same ethnic, national and religous troubles in Africa that anywhere else does. Why do you think Sweden is having gang warfare on its streets?
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