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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 24, 2017 21:24:26 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 24, 2017 23:01:05 GMT
tpfkar Or, the ever-present cognitively delayed racist types have been continuously deluged with campy apoplectic alt-right demagoguery.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 25, 2017 0:19:16 GMT
I blame Merkel, at least until someone more incompetent comes along to take the blame.
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Post by progressiveelement on Jun 25, 2017 0:36:53 GMT
Rock now, Rock the night!
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 1:30:40 GMT
Almost the entire political class of Europe over the last ten years are to blame for this.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 25, 2017 1:49:20 GMT
Peter Ustinov said in effect, Globalism creates Nazis.
The question is whether incompetence was the motivation for flooding Europe with third world agitators or was it planned for some time.
It's like they were thinking: great idea--we will have these wars in the Middle East, and then send the survivors to Europe.
Everyone happy.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 2:15:02 GMT
Peter Ustinov said in effect, Globalism creates Nazis. The question is whether incompetence was the motivation for flooding Europe with third world agitators or was it planned for some time. It's like they were thinking: great idea--we will have these wars in the Middle East, and then send the survivors to Europe. Everyone happy. I honestly don't know what the motive is. Every country that has studied this finds that migration from non EU nations represent a net loss to the tax payer. The economic migrants are costing us money. Further, they are placing pressure on services that are tax payer funded and placing pressure on jobs and wages for the poorest members of European society. The average Briton pays about 25% of their wages in tax and NI. So I work for three months for the government. But practically everything is subject to VAT. Fuel tax is 80%. My fuel bill for travelling to work is £1900 a year of which £1500 goes to the Exchequer. Most food, shampoo, razors, shoes, clothing. All subject to VAT. The top end PC you can get at PC World costs £3900. If you bought yourself that. £900 of it is tax. We don' need further drains on our system. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jun 25, 2017 2:27:20 GMT
I have to assume that as true democracy is whittled away by corruption you end up with truly psychopathic politicians calling the shots (with hidden backers) because who else would suicide their nations like that?
Big problems for decades to come.
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 25, 2017 7:41:11 GMT
Well done Europe! How dare you try to help immigrants! Now look what you've done! Now we have Nazis and it's all your fault!
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Post by phludowin on Jun 25, 2017 8:27:09 GMT
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 25, 2017 11:33:15 GMT
Hopefully this will lead to a reemergence of the Red Army Faction or some other leftist guerilla group.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 12:10:34 GMT
Yes, its been brilliant. We have seen no rise in racial tension, no fall in social cohesion, no rise in far right parties, no Jihad, no right wing terrorism, no increase in sexual assault. It's all been brilliant. Europeans are not having to support an uneducated mass of skill less people on welfare. Sweden isn't seeing migrant gang warfare with regular grenade attacks, Germany didn't see it's Turkish migrant population protesting the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. We haven't see migrants let off crimes for the most retarded reasons. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 25, 2017 12:18:32 GMT
Yes, its been brilliant. We have seen no rise in racial tension, no fall in social cohesion, no rise in far right parties, no Jihad, no right wing terrorism, no increase in sexual assault. It's all been brilliant. Europeans are not having to support an uneducated mass of skill less people on welfare. Sweden isn't seeing migrant gang warfare with regular grenade attacks, Germany didn't see it's Turkish migrant population protesting the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. We haven't see migrants let off crimes for the most retarded reasons. These people are either fleeing persecution, war or desperate economic situations in the third world and all you do is moan that they will be on welfare? |
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 12:33:54 GMT
Yes, its been brilliant. We have seen no rise in racial tension, no fall in social cohesion, no rise in far right parties, no Jihad, no right wing terrorism, no increase in sexual assault. It's all been brilliant. Europeans are not having to support an uneducated mass of skill less people on welfare. Sweden isn't seeing migrant gang warfare with regular grenade attacks, Germany didn't see it's Turkish migrant population protesting the recognition of the Armenian Genocide. We haven't see migrants let off crimes for the most retarded reasons. These people are either fleeing persecution, war or desperate economic situations in the third world and all you do is moan that they will be on welfare? Economic migrants are not fleeing persecution. Lets not conflate terms. Now, lots of people are poor, exactly how many does Europe have to support? Let me know the figure. The UK alone already spends £17,000,000,000 a year on foreign aid. Thats £260 per Briton. It makes no sense. Europe can help more people by directing its resources to help the developing world, rather than inviting the developing World to live here. |
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Post by PanLeo on Jun 25, 2017 12:51:45 GMT
These people are either fleeing persecution, war or desperate economic situations in the third world and all you do is moan that they will be on welfare? Economic migrants are not fleeing persecution. Lets not conflate terms. Now, lots of people are poor, exactly how many does Europe have to support? Let me know the figure. The UK alone already spends £17,000,000,000 a year on foreign aid. Thats £260 per Briton. It makes no sense. Europe can help more people by directing its resources to help the developing world, rather than inviting the developing World to live here. You poor thing are you not able to afford that new TV you wanted? People are starving in Africa? Fuck them, I want my TV. |
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Post by Karl Aksel on Jun 25, 2017 13:03:34 GMT
Resurgent nazi movements have been there for decades. About seven decades, in fact. It is ridiculous to blame this on "unchecked" immigration (I'm assuming that's what you meant), because the only immigration which can be said to be remotely unchecked is between EU countries. Immigration from outside Europe cannot be said to be "unchecked" by any stretch of the imagination. However, this is what the right-wingers keep repeating, so they get to blame someone other than themselves.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 14:58:41 GMT
Economic migrants are not fleeing persecution. Lets not conflate terms. Now, lots of people are poor, exactly how many does Europe have to support? Let me know the figure. The UK alone already spends £17,000,000,000 a year on foreign aid. Thats £260 per Briton. It makes no sense. Europe can help more people by directing its resources to help the developing world, rather than inviting the developing World to live here. You poor thing are you not able to afford that new TV you wanted? People are starving in Africa? Fuck them, I want my TV. When did you turn into such a mug? You realise that these people are paying to get here? Starving people, mainly men, do not travel 4000 miles. Again, for the emotionally incompetent. Europe and The West can do MORE to help the developing World by using it's resources on developing nations rather than importing people, mainly men, from them. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 25, 2017 15:10:33 GMT
Resurgent nazi movements have been there for decades. About seven decades, in fact. It is ridiculous to blame this on "unchecked" immigration (I'm assuming that's what you meant), because the only immigration which can be said to be remotely unchecked is between EU countries. Immigration from outside Europe cannot be said to be "unchecked" by any stretch of the imagination. However, this is what the right-wingers keep repeating, so they get to blame someone other than themselves. How many right wing terrorists have run vans into Mosques in the UK in the last 7 decades? Really? So the Sweden Democrats rise from 4% in 2010 of votes to 14% in 2014 and a projected 21% in 2017 is just a coincidence? Geert Wilders party being the second biggest in Holland, just a coincidence? MArine Le Pen getting 35% of the French vote a coincidence? Anti Islam and anti immigration parties have grown in Europe over the last half decade, but that has nothing to do with the Migrant Crisis? Really? How does Sweden judge whether a "child refugee" is actually a child? What checks are in place for the half million or so migrants that will land in Italy this year? Does Germany know how many migrants it has within its borders? Nice m,oral grandstanding, but what does that actually mean? |
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 25, 2017 15:37:08 GMT
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Post by Karl Aksel on Jun 25, 2017 15:51:35 GMT
Resurgent nazi movements have been there for decades. About seven decades, in fact. It is ridiculous to blame this on "unchecked" immigration (I'm assuming that's what you meant), because the only immigration which can be said to be remotely unchecked is between EU countries. Immigration from outside Europe cannot be said to be "unchecked" by any stretch of the imagination. However, this is what the right-wingers keep repeating, so they get to blame someone other than themselves. How many right wing terrorists have run vans into Mosques in the UK in the last 7 decades? Just the one, so statistics are pretty meaningless at this point. However, they have always had a history of violence against minorities. Muslims have been the favourite minority to pick on these last couple decades, but they'll pick on any minority which is the enemy du jour. My point precisely, which I will explain after your last paragraph. "Unchecked immigration" means immigration without limits. No border controls, no restrictions, no nothing. This is not remotely the case. The borders are not wide open, as some would have you believe. What it means is that xenophobes wildly exaggerate the problem with immigration, especially the kind of immigration of people who look different. Muslims comprise maybe 5% of the population on average in European countries, but listening to right-wingers you'd think we were being overrun. The tensions are caused by fear, but most of this fear is not rational. The immigrants, on their part, are also afraid, because even though the xenophobic hate mongerers comprise but a small part of the population, they are very vocal and naturally give immigrants the impression that they're in a majority. So naturally they are not going to instantly fall in love with the locals. So it's not the immigration itself which is the problem, but human fear - which is part of our nature. Everyone wants change, but everyone hates change. People generally don't want the world to end up looking too different from what they were accustomed to growing up. And so to combat any unwelcome change, they blow it out of proportion. Just look at all the comments when Sadiq Khan became mayor of London. All sorts of ridiculously paranoid comments such as "Sharia next", references to terrorism and that sort of thing. So while lots of right-wingers may claim that they are not saying all Muslims are terrorists, we clearly see that some actually do see all Muslims as terrorists. This sort of thinking is not healthy. |
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