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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 27, 2017 2:18:27 GMT
I still think it's an amazing scene and one of the best CBM scenes out there. However, putting it into context of reality of World War 1, there were hundreds of trenches during WWI all over France and Europe and ran for hundreds of miles, and not just in straight lines either. The film however makes it out that this was the only No Man's Land region and that after Diana help turned the tide on this one section of the trench, that it changed the tide of the war. In reality, more Germans would have come from all directions. It's a minor nitpick and probably something most would overlook, and I can too, but its something to think about.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 27, 2017 2:30:41 GMT
I don't think the film suggested that at all.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 2:46:14 GMT
I still think it's an amazing scene and one of the best CBM scenes out there. However, putting it into context of reality of World War 1, there were hundreds of trenches during WWI all over France and Europe and ran for hundreds of miles, and not just in straight lines either. The film however makes it out that this was the only No Man's Land region and that after Diana help turned the tide on this one section of the trench, that it changed the tide of the war. In reality, more Germans would have come from all directions. It's a minor nitpick and probably something most would overlook, and I can too, but its something to think about. No, the film doesn't make it out that this was the only No Man's Land region. This region was chosen because Steve was trying to find where Ludendorff had the poisonous gas and this was where their intelligence told them that Ludendorff had last been seen. As for the small number of soldiers, well, Veld was a small town and when Steve was talking to Etta on the phone, he wasn't sure if the town was even on the map. So there wouldn't be a lot of soldiers around just for a small little town. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 27, 2017 3:01:23 GMT
I still think it's an amazing scene and one of the best CBM scenes out there. However, putting it into context of reality of World War 1, there were hundreds of trenches during WWI all over France and Europe and ran for hundreds of miles, and not just in straight lines either. The film however makes it out that this was the only No Man's Land region and that after Diana help turned the tide on this one section of the trench, that it changed the tide of the war. In reality, more Germans would have come from all directions. It's a minor nitpick and probably something most would overlook, and I can too, but its something to think about. No, the film doesn't make it out that this was the only No Man's Land region. This region was chosen because Steve was trying to find where Ludendorff had the poisonous gas and this was where their intelligence told them that Ludendorff had last been seen. As for the small number of soldiers, well, Veld was a small town and when Steve was talking to Etta on the phone, he wasn't sure if the town was even on the map. So there wouldn't be a lot of soldiers around just for a small little town. You miss my point though. Sure I can buy there not being a whole lot of soldiers in that section of the trench, but I'm going to pull a you. While Diana and Steve and their companions were getting their picture taken and celebrating and having fun, there are about a hundred other villages being destroyed and people killed and other trenches where soldiers are suffering. I'm know Steve took them there because Ludendorff was last known to be there, but they never intended on crossing No Man's Land or saving Veld. Steve said it himself, they couldn't save everyone in the war, however, Diana also said it as well, she did and would pretty much stop at nothing to help everyone. Don't you think after liberating Veld, she'd go to other trenches and villages and help out? It's still an amazing scene, but there isn't scale to it. It feels very small like it's the only trench during World War 1. By the way, I'm noticing a trend with you. Whenever someone provides a better argument or refutes your claim, you just then stop talking about whatever that argument was and ignore it because you lost. I'm still waiting on the link that proves Spider-Man has been renamed to Iron Man 4. Also waiting for a response to how Batman survived being thrown thru a building by Superman. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 5:28:10 GMT
she did and would pretty much stop at nothing to help everyone. Don't you think after liberating Veld, she'd go to other trenches and villages and help out? It's still an amazing scene, but there isn't scale to it. It feels very small like it's the only trench during World War 1. 1st, Diana wouldn't know where the other trenches are. When she helped Steve leave Themyscira, her deal with Steve was that he would take her to the front so she could find Ares. And after they got to London, the 1st thing Diana wanted Steve to do was take her to the front so she could find Ares. Steve agreed to do so after turned over Doctor Poison's book to the generals. So Diana didn't know where the other trenches were and would've need Steve to guide her. But Steve's mission was to find where Lundendorff had the gas. 2nd, both sides were in the process of negotiating an armistice so there was probably very little fighting going on in the trenches by that time as neither side wanted to do something that would jeopardize the armistice. I'm still waiting on the link that proves Spider-Man has been renamed to Iron Man 4. Like I said before, I read it on a website. I found that website through a google search so you can do the google search yourself too. Also waiting for a response to how Batman survived being thrown thru a building by Superman. Batman was wearing thick armor so he was basically like a tank. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 27, 2017 6:00:53 GMT
I still think it's an amazing scene and one of the best CBM scenes out there. However, putting it into context of reality of World War 1, there were hundreds of trenches during WWI all over France and Europe and ran for hundreds of miles, and not just in straight lines either. The film however makes it out that this was the only No Man's Land region and that after Diana help turned the tide on this one section of the trench, that it changed the tide of the war. In reality, more Germans would have come from all directions. It's a minor nitpick and probably something most would overlook, and I can too, but its something to think about. This was one of the first things I thought about when watching that scene. It's like there were less than a 100 germans there. Maybe only 20 or so. It was really weird. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 27, 2017 6:02:03 GMT
I don't think the film suggested that at all. I do. How many German's were there? 100 max? That's pathetically small when they were just saying it was some ultimate danger zone nobody could cross. And 100 is extremely generous. There might have been 30. It was so weak. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 6:40:08 GMT
LOL!!! ArArArchStanton once again proves that MCU fans are really stupid. ArArArchstanton's post above suggests that since there weren't 100 German soldiers in the trench, that crossing No Man's Land wasn't that dangerous. Such an idiot!
They don't need 100 soldiers or even 50 soldiers in that trench. When you're in No man's Land, you're out in the open with nothing to hide behind and the soldiers in the trench have their guns pointed at you and you can't shoot back at them. So you're basically target practice for the soldiers in the trench who have their guns pointed at you. Even if it's only 30 soldiers in that trench with their guns pointed at you, good luck trying to make it across No Man's Land alive.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 27, 2017 13:23:27 GMT
she did and would pretty much stop at nothing to help everyone. Don't you think after liberating Veld, she'd go to other trenches and villages and help out? It's still an amazing scene, but there isn't scale to it. It feels very small like it's the only trench during World War 1. 1st, Diana wouldn't know where the other trenches are. When she helped Steve leave Themyscira, her deal with Steve was that he would take her to the front so she could find Ares. And after they got to London, the 1st thing Diana wanted Steve to do was take her to the front so she could find Ares. Steve agreed to do so after turned over Doctor Poison's book to the generals. So Diana didn't know where the other trenches were and would've need Steve to guide her. But Steve's mission was to find where Lundendorff had the gas. 2nd, both sides were in the process of negotiating an armistice so there was probably very little fighting going on in the trenches by that time as neither side wanted to do something that would jeopardize the armistice. I'm still waiting on the link that proves Spider-Man has been renamed to Iron Man 4. Like I said before, I read it on a website. I found that website through a google search so you can do the google search yourself too. Also waiting for a response to how Batman survived being thrown thru a building by Superman. Batman was wearing thick armor so he was basically like a tank. Oh, so Steve purposely neglected to tell her that there are about a hundred other villages and trenches even tho she said she wants to save as many as possible?! Got it. And you're still load shit because there is no link and I caught you in a lie about it. And what did you do after?? Just ignored that topic because you know you lost. And I guess you didn't even read my post where I talked about it, but his suit would not save him. The film really defies the laws of momentum, and he would be dead as being shielded by metal will not help. If he did survive, his insides would be all mushed up tho. And clearly you didn't watch Age of Ultron because Steve never threw the shield at Strucker's head. All he did was lift it in the air with his foot and just kicked it into his chest. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 27, 2017 14:13:08 GMT
I don't think the film suggested that at all. I do. How many German's were there? 100 max? That's pathetically small when they were just saying it was some ultimate danger zone nobody could cross. And 100 is extremely generous. There might have been 30. It was so weak. That's a budget and directing issue. The movie was trying to imply that it was a huge battle field and that there were many more soldiers on both sides than just the ones you see on screen. They do this in movies all the time. They showed the other soldiers coming out of the trenches on the friendly side and joining the fight. The implication was that a huge battle ensued and they were able to force the Germans to withdraw far enough that they were able to liberate that village. Very few movies are able to capture the literal scale of major battles so they show tiny snapshots to give the impression of a larger engagement. If they failed to give that impression it was due to weak direction/editing not any intentional message that there were only 30 Germans and one trench in WWI. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 27, 2017 14:16:53 GMT
That's a budget and directing issue. The movie was trying to imply that it was a huge battle field and that there were many more soldiers on both sides than just the ones you see on screen. They do this in movies all the time. They showed the other soldiers coming out of the trenches on the friendly side and joining the fight. The implication was that a huge battle ensued and they were able to force the Germans to withdraw far enough that they were able to liberate that village. Very few movies are able to capture the literal scale of major battles so they show tiny snapshots to give the impression of a larger engagement. If they failed to give that impression it was due to weak direction/editing not any intentional message that there were only 30 Germans and one trench in WWI. I'm sure it was a budget and directing issue, but it's still in the movie and is really noticeable. It didn't give me the impression that there were any more soldiers than what we saw. They killed about 15 guys and the fighting was apparently over. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 27, 2017 14:24:25 GMT
One man's "really noticeable" is another man's "nitpick" I suppose. I think it was one of the best scenes in the movie despite the limits on the scale. I'm just glad that the DCEU finally made a truly good movie. I have enjoyed the other DCEU movies but all of them had some serious issues. Wonder Woman only has small issues IMO so that is a huge step in the right direction. I would really like to enjoy the DCEU as much as I enjoy the MCU.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 14:57:54 GMT
so Steve purposely neglected to tell her that there are about a hundred other villages and trenches even tho she said she wants to save as many as possible?! Got it. You MCU fans always need everything spoon-fed to you. Steve believed that they would save more people by finding and destroying the poison gas and preserving the armistice negotiations rather than going to each trench 1 at a time. That's why Steve didn't bring Diana to the other trenches. They were only at that trench because it was on their way to where their intelligence sources told them Ludendorf was last sighted. This isn't rocket science; it shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 15:04:22 GMT
I do. How many German's were there? 100 max? That's pathetically small when they were just saying it was some ultimate danger zone nobody could cross. And 100 is extremely generous. There might have been 30. It was so weak. That's a budget and directing issue. The movie was trying to imply that it was a huge battle field and that there were many more soldiers on both sides than just the ones you see on screen. They do this in movies all the time. They showed the other soldiers coming out of the trenches on the friendly side and joining the fight. The implication was that a huge battle ensued and they were able to force the Germans to withdraw far enough that they were able to liberate that village. Very few movies are able to capture the literal scale of major battles so they show tiny snapshots to give the impression of a larger engagement. If they failed to give that impression it was due to weak direction/editing not any intentional message that there were only 30 Germans and one trench in WWI. I don't think it was a budget or directing issue. It doesn't take much to put a bunch of "extras" in there if they wanted to. But it wasn't a budget or directing issue.
It's like the people who keep asking why Wonder Woman didn't help Superman in the battle against Zod and the Kryptonians in MoS. The answer is really simple and they just overlook the simplest answer. In this case, the simplest answer is that Veld is a small town (when Steve was talking on the phone to Etta, Steve wasn't sure if the town was even on the map) so they wouldn't need a large battalion of soldiers for such a small town.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 27, 2017 15:07:37 GMT
so Steve purposely neglected to tell her that there are about a hundred other villages and trenches even tho she said she wants to save as many as possible?! Got it. You MCU fans always need everything spoon-fed to you. Steve believed that they would save more people by finding and destroying the poison gas and preserving the armistice negotiations rather than going to each trench 1 at a time. That's why Steve didn't bring Diana to the other trenches. They were only at that trench because it was on their way to where their intelligence sources told them Ludendorf was last sighted. This isn't rocket science; it shouldn't be that hard to comprehend. It's not a matter of being spoon-fed or anything like that. I'm aware what Steve's plan is, but Diana clearly had a different agenda. How do you think she would have reacted if Steve told her, "yeah, there are probably a couple dozen other villages out there with civies being killed and soldiers suffering in trenches. But don't worry, what we're doing is better because we can't save everyone." Diana's response probably would have been the same as before and wanting to help. I'm just pointing it out because you attempt to try, but fail, to prove that the Avengers are always letting people die and do nothing but crack jokes, yet after saving Veld, what do Steve and Diana do? Have fun. Celebrate, drink, have sex. Meanwhile, hundreds of people are still dying. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 27, 2017 16:37:40 GMT
I guess you didn't even read my post where I talked about it, but his suit would not save him. The film really defies the laws of momentum, and he would be dead as being shielded by metal will not help. If he did survive, his insides would be all mushed up tho. No, your assumptions, as usual, are incorrect. In 1996, I was in my car stopped at a street light and was rear-ended by a Ford pickup truck that was going at 40 MPH. Other than a sore back for a few weeks, I had no other injuries. My car was a Volvo, which is built like a tank. Batman's armored suit was also built like a tank. Batman might have some sustained some bruises and sore muscles, but the tank-like armored suit would've protected him from more serious injuries. I'm just pointing it out because you attempt to try, but fail, to prove that the Avengers are always letting people die and do nothing but crack jokes, yet after saving Veld, what do Steve and Diana do? Have fun. Celebrate, drink, have sex. Meanwhile, hundreds of people are still dying. 1st, it was nighttime. I don't think night vision goggles were available in 1918 so there wasn't fighting going on at night so no one was dying at night. 2nd, they had just liberated a town. The townspeople were celebrating. Steve and Diana were also taking a break from the fighting to celebrate with the townspeople. There's nothing wrong with taking a break (everyone needs to take a break and rest, even the Avengers went to eat schwarma after the battle against the Chitauri) to celebrate with the townspeople at night after the fighting had stopped and they had liberated the town. In the case of the Avengers, it was during daytime and the invasion was happening (and people were getting injured or killed) while the Avengers were just standing around cracking jokes and 1-liners. Also, all it took was 1 nuclear missile to blow up the Chitauri mother ship and defeat hundreds of Chitauri and stop the invasion. So why didn't Iron Man just fly up there and take out the Chitauri ship within 5 minutes after the 1st Chitauri invaders arrived? Why did Iron Man and the Avengers just stand around cracking jokes and 1-liners for about half an hour while the invasion was happening (and people were getting injured or killed) before Iron Man flew up there and hijacked the military's nuclear missile to blow up the Chitauri mother ship? |
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Post by dknaveed23 on Jun 27, 2017 16:58:50 GMT
Well I never really got the impression of that.
I see the No Man's Land in the film, as well as the village that is liberated as mere microcosms of the real contextual matter. As awesome as it would have been to see Diana partake in more trench warfare, I think the scene was sufficient and effective in representing the war and also achieving it's narrative aim- which was Diana rising above and becoming the hero she had trained to be.
As a bit of a history buff, some of the historical inaccuracies did slightly bother me but I could forgive them as it is a movie after all and exists for pure entertainment.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 27, 2017 17:08:23 GMT
I still think it's an amazing scene and one of the best CBM scenes out there. However, putting it into context of reality of World War 1, there were hundreds of trenches during WWI all over France and Europe and ran for hundreds of miles, and not just in straight lines either. The film however makes it out that this was the only No Man's Land region and that after Diana help turned the tide on this one section of the trench, that it changed the tide of the war. In reality, more Germans would have come from all directions. It's a minor nitpick and probably something most would overlook, and I can too, but its something to think about. Also, in reality, there were no 5,000 year old Greek Superwomen formed out of clay by Zeus. What an embarrassing goof! |
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Post by Jerk on Jun 27, 2017 17:54:11 GMT
At no point does anyone explicitly say that is the only No Mans Land on the front. They don't say that it is and they don't say that it isn't. You're arguing a none point.
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Post by detour on Jun 27, 2017 19:01:26 GMT
I'm still waiting on the link that proves Spider-Man has been renamed to Iron Man 4. Like I said before, I read it on a website. I found that website through a google search so you can do the google search yourself too. I did that Google search, as this is the first I have heard of this. This article is the closest I could find to that claim: Is Spider-Man: Homecoming Basically Iron Man 4? |
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