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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:39:30 GMT
Your point had nothing to do with evolution and the part of AJ's post that you bolded has nothing to do with your claim. Unless you can show that religion is at least 200,000 years old then your claim is false. Stop trying to lie your way out of it. I'm not lying about anything. You prove that religion is fairly new. The ball is in your court now. Stop asking me to support claims that i haven't made. The only claim that has been made and not supported is yours. You claimed that the earliest man practiced religion. For about the 12th damn time: Even if we limit "man" to mean only Homo sapiens then that means at least 200,000 years. You have not provided a single link that shows religion being practiced any earlier than 40,000 years ago. Stop being a shameless liar and trying to get me to disprove your claims. It is your responsibility to support your claim or retract it. Your own damn links show that religion is only, at the most, 40,000 years old which is only about 20% of Homo sapiens total time on this planet. Again, what part of this are you incapable of comprehending? Show that religion is 200,000 years old or admit you were wrong or continue to be a liar.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:40:38 GMT
No, you're a liar. You linked several articles that disprove your claim. Even if we limit man to only Homo sapiens then we are still talking about at least 200,000 years. Your best link only goes back about 20% of that. I've explained this a half dozen times by now so what part are you not able to comprehend? Show that religion is at least 200,000 years old or have the integrity to retract your claim and admit you were wrong. I haven't lied about anything. You asked for sources & I provided them. Your sources do not even come close to supporting your claim. How can you be confused by this simple fact?
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Post by clusium on Jul 1, 2017 23:40:42 GMT
I'm not lying about anything. You prove that religion is fairly new. The ball is in your court now. Stop asking me to support claims that i haven't made. The only claim that has been made and not supported is yours. You claimed that the earliest man practiced religion. For about the 12th damn time: Even if we limit "man" to mean only Homo sapiens then that means at least 200,000 years. You have not provided a single link that shows religion being practiced any earlier than 40,000 years ago. Stop being a shameless liar and trying to get me to disprove your claims. It is your responsibility to support your claim or retract it. Your own damn links show that religion is only, at the most, 40,000 years old which is only about 20% of Homo sapiens total time on this planet. Again, what part of this are you incapable of comprehending? Show that religion is 200,000 years old or admit you were wrong or continue to be a liar. For the umpteenth time I haven't lied about anything. I supported my claims. You support yours.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:43:48 GMT
Stop asking me to support claims that i haven't made. The only claim that has been made and not supported is yours. You claimed that the earliest man practiced religion. For about the 12th damn time: Even if we limit "man" to mean only Homo sapiens then that means at least 200,000 years. You have not provided a single link that shows religion being practiced any earlier than 40,000 years ago. Stop being a shameless liar and trying to get me to disprove your claims. It is your responsibility to support your claim or retract it. Your own damn links show that religion is only, at the most, 40,000 years old which is only about 20% of Homo sapiens total time on this planet. Again, what part of this are you incapable of comprehending? Show that religion is 200,000 years old or admit you were wrong or continue to be a liar. For the umpteenth time I haven't lied about anything. I supported my claims. You support yours. You have not supported your claim, you stupid liar. To support your claim you have to show religion is 200,000 years old. You have not done so therefore your claim is unsupported. How can you be so ignorant and illiterate not to comprehend this fact? Stop asking me to support "my claim" when I haven't even made a claim. What is your mental malfunction?
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 1, 2017 23:47:33 GMT
Stop asking me to support claims that i haven't made. The only claim that has been made and not supported is yours. You claimed that the earliest man practiced religion. For about the 12th damn time: Even if we limit "man" to mean only Homo sapiens then that means at least 200,000 years. You have not provided a single link that shows religion being practiced any earlier than 40,000 years ago. Stop being a shameless liar and trying to get me to disprove your claims. It is your responsibility to support your claim or retract it. Your own damn links show that religion is only, at the most, 40,000 years old which is only about 20% of Homo sapiens total time on this planet. Again, what part of this are you incapable of comprehending? Show that religion is 200,000 years old or admit you were wrong or continue to be a liar. For the umpteenth time I haven't lied about anything. I supported my claims. You support yours. Dude, you really haven't supported your claim. As pointed out, your sources say religion is, at best, 70,000 years old, whilst H.Sapiens is around 200,000 years old.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:49:40 GMT
For the umpteenth time I haven't lied about anything. I supported my claims. You support yours. Dude, you really haven't supported your claim. As pointed out, your sources say religion is, at best, 70,000 years old, whilst H.Sapiens is around 200,000 years old. It's not even 70,000 years, it's only 40,000. The 70,000 year claim was discredited by the very people who first investigated the site in question.
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Post by clusium on Jul 1, 2017 23:52:21 GMT
For the umpteenth time I haven't lied about anything. I supported my claims. You support yours. You have not supported your claim, you stupid liar. To support your claim you have to show religion is 200,000 years old. You have not done so therefore your claim is unsupported. How can you be so ignorant and illiterate not to comprehend this fact? Stop asking me to support "my claim" when I haven't even made a claim. What is your mental malfunction? I supported my claims. I provided links, but, you rejected them all. You say that it is not. Then support your own claim.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 1, 2017 23:53:43 GMT
You have not supported your claim, you stupid liar. To support your claim you have to show religion is 200,000 years old. You have not done so therefore your claim is unsupported. How can you be so ignorant and illiterate not to comprehend this fact? Stop asking me to support "my claim" when I haven't even made a claim. What is your mental malfunction? I supported my claims. I provided links, but, you rejected them all. You say that it is not. Then support your own claim. Your links are not being rejected, they simply do not support your premise. They do not say religion is as old as humanity.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:53:59 GMT
You have not supported your claim, you stupid liar. To support your claim you have to show religion is 200,000 years old. You have not done so therefore your claim is unsupported. How can you be so ignorant and illiterate not to comprehend this fact? Stop asking me to support "my claim" when I haven't even made a claim. What is your mental malfunction? I supported my claims. I provided links, but, you rejected them all. You say that it is not. Then support your own claim. You claimed that the earliest man practiced religion. Even if we limit man to only Homo sapiens that means at least 200,000 years. Your best link only shows 40,000 years. What part of this is confusing you? You are a liar and an imbecile.
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Post by clusium on Jul 1, 2017 23:57:02 GMT
I supported my claims. I provided links, but, you rejected them all. You say that it is not. Then support your own claim. Your links are not being rejected, they simply do not support your premise. They do not say religion is as old as humanity. Yes they do. Religion is not going away
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 1, 2017 23:59:20 GMT
Your links are not being rejected, they simply do not support your premise. They do not say religion is as old as humanity. Yes they do. Religion is not going awayYou are a liar. Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old. Not a single one of your links shows religion is any older than 40,000 years. Stop lying.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 2, 2017 0:00:43 GMT
Your links are not being rejected, they simply do not support your premise. They do not say religion is as old as humanity. Yes they do. Religion is not going awayOkay, this was your claim Humanity began 200,000 years ago. Your links only stretch back 70,000 years. How does the link you provided support your claim?
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Post by clusium on Jul 2, 2017 0:01:48 GMT
You are a liar. Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old. Not a single one of your links shows religion is any older than 40,000 years. Stop lying. I'm not lying about anything.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 2, 2017 0:03:36 GMT
Okay, this was your claim Humanity began 200,000 years ago. Your links only stretch back 70,000 years. How does the link you provided support your claim? Her last link does say that religion may be 200,000 years old. But of course there is no citation given for the claims. Religion in some form or another is roughly 200,000 years old (the earliest estimate I've found being 30,000 using more discriminatory definitions, the oldest being 300,000, but you get the picture). To put that in perspective, homo sapiens as a distinct species is roughly 175,000 years old, with us reaching our modern stature by 40 or 50 thousand years ago. That means religion is older than modern mankind, reaching back to our Neanderthal or homo erectus ancestors.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 2, 2017 0:05:55 GMT
Okay, this was your claim Humanity began 200,000 years ago. Your links only stretch back 70,000 years. How does the link you provided support your claim? Her last link does say that religion may be 200,000 years old. But of course there is no citation given for the claims. Religion in some form or another is roughly 200,000 years old (the earliest estimate I've found being 30,000 using more discriminatory definitions, the oldest being 300,000, but you get the picture). To put that in perspective, homo sapiens as a distinct species is roughly 175,000 years old, with us reaching our modern stature by 40 or 50 thousand years ago. That means religion is older than modern mankind, reaching back to our Neanderthal or homo erectus ancestors.That link is a blog, less credibility than Ken Ham or Ray Comfort.
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Post by theoncomingstorm on Jul 2, 2017 0:07:01 GMT
You are a liar. Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old. Not a single one of your links shows religion is any older than 40,000 years. Stop lying. I'm not lying about anything. Show actual evidence, not a blog, that religion is at least 200,000 years old. Otherwise you have not supported your claim.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 2, 2017 0:07:22 GMT
Okay, this was your claim Humanity began 200,000 years ago. Your links only stretch back 70,000 years. How does the link you provided support your claim? Her last link does say that religion may be 200,000 years old. But of course there is no citation given for the claims. Religion in some form or another is roughly 200,000 years old (the earliest estimate I've found being 30,000 using more discriminatory definitions, the oldest being 300,000, but you get the picture). To put that in perspective, homo sapiens as a distinct species is roughly 175,000 years old, with us reaching our modern stature by 40 or 50 thousand years ago. That means religion is older than modern mankind, reaching back to our Neanderthal or homo erectus ancestors.Fair enough, although reserve the right to dismiss an unsourced blog out of hand. Especially one that describes Neanderthalensis as our ancestor.
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Post by Aj_June on Jul 2, 2017 0:10:54 GMT
You are a liar. Homo sapiens is at least 200,000 years old. Not a single one of your links shows religion is any older than 40,000 years. Stop lying. I'm not lying about anything. You may not be intentionally lying clusium. I trust that much. But the link that you gave is just a personal blog. I can also write a blog that may say religion is 1 million year old thing. But that won't make it so. A blog needs to be supported with citations of real source. Unfortunately the blog you linked is not sourced to any actual academic research or finding and so it is not really credible.
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Post by phludowin on Jul 2, 2017 0:17:20 GMT
Hi Clusium, While religion and proto religions are very old, the humans (homo sapiens) have existed for much much longer than the time religions have existed. You could say that religions played important role during the formative years of civilisation but religions are not as old as humanity. Earlier humans were wild type of people who had very inferior form of communication system and mostly hunted. That's because they were still in their animal mode. Animals don't have religion. This sounds a lot like a "No True Human" fallacy. It's like you are saying that while humans didn't have religion, they didn't count as humans; and only when they invented religion did they become human. It doesn't work that way. The species Homo Sapiens Sapiens has been existing for longer than religion.
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Post by cupcakes on Jul 2, 2017 2:38:31 GMT
tpfkar clusium said:Regardless, rejecting the fanciful constructions that Iron Age peoples appropriated and built upon is virtually nothing like credulously accepting those primitive immoral myths in this day and age. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/gf93ycxax/giveup.gif) Fun, fun, fun, fun, Trinity is so fun!
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