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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 20:54:16 GMT
Keeps falling on RT - 71% now, 6.3/10 avg rating.
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Post by gogoschka1 on Mar 6, 2017 21:30:06 GMT
It doesn't look that good on IMDb either, although I don't know what to make of that at this point (could be all troll activity). Right now, the film has a 6.1 rating from a bit over a 1000 users and the reviews are mostly bad. Interestingly, the bad-to-mediocre reviews on IMDb seem a tad more credible than the few good ones. So far, out of 15 reviews only 3 are positive. Out of those 3, only one was written by someone who has been an IMDb-user for more than a day: www.imdb.com/title/tt2771200/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_3
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 6, 2017 22:25:52 GMT
It doesn't look that good on IMDb either, although I don't know what to make of that at this point (could be all troll activity). Right now, the film has a 6.1 rating from a bit over a 1000 users and the reviews are mostly bad. Interestingly, the bad-to-mediocre reviews on IMDb seem a tad more credible than the few good ones. So far, out of 15 reviews only 3 are positive. Out of those 3, only one was written by someone who has been an IMDb-user for more than a day: www.imdb.com/title/tt2771200/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_3
I've learned to ignore IMDb reviews. I kept seeing 1's/10's with a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. In my opinion they are not all that believable. I'd rather take my chances with RT then IMDb.
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Post by ashverses on Mar 7, 2017 0:01:02 GMT
It doesn't look that good on IMDb either, although I don't know what to make of that at this point (could be all troll activity). Right now, the film has a 6.1 rating from a bit over a 1000 users and the reviews are mostly bad. Interestingly, the bad-to-mediocre reviews on IMDb seem a tad more credible than the few good ones. So far, out of 15 reviews only 3 are positive. Out of those 3, only one was written by someone who has been an IMDb-user for more than a day: www.imdb.com/title/tt2771200/reviews?ref_=tt_ql_3
I've learned to ignore IMDb reviews. I kept seeing 1's/10's with a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. In my opinion they are not all that believable. I'd rather take my chances with RT then IMDb. this^ I never trust IMDB scores. Usually "fanboy" 10s and troll 1s.
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 7, 2017 2:24:02 GMT
I've learned to ignore IMDb reviews. I kept seeing 1's/10's with a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. In my opinion they are not all that believable. I'd rather take my chances with RT then IMDb. this^ I never trust IMDB scores. Usually "fanboy" 10s and troll 1s. I think they should actually get rid of the reviews. Just because of how unbelievable some of the scores are. They should just bring back the message boards of you ask me. Then you'll know who's really telling the truth.
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Post by gogoschka1 on Mar 7, 2017 9:36:12 GMT
I've learned to ignore IMDb reviews. I kept seeing 1's/10's with a movie like Guardians of the Galaxy. In my opinion they are not all that believable. I'd rather take my chances with RT then IMDb. this^ I never trust IMDB scores. Usually "fanboy" 10s and troll 1s. Well, not that I completely disagree with you - and what you say is certainly very true for a certain category of films like 'The Dark Knight Rises' or 'The Force Awakens - but with the exception of films that for some reason or other end up being overly present in the media, the IMDb scores and reviews are mostly pretty close to the critical scores and reviews on RT. (btw, 'Beauty and Beast' currently has almost the same score from critics on RT as it does from IMDb-users: 6.3 vs. 6.1). When IMDb-users and RT-critics differ, I've actually found the IMDb user scores to be more in line with my personal taste. For example, films like 'Running Scared' (2006) or 'Equilibrium' (2002) suffered terrible critical beatings, but the vast majority of viewers, myself included, enjoyed them very much: which is correctly reflected by their high ratings on IMDb (and it is alo reflected by the RT user score which I found to be almost always in sync with the IMDb user score).
On the other hand, certain films the critics raved about like 'The Witch' (2016), 'The Loved Ones' (2012) or 'The Babadook' (2014) - which I found good but far from outstanding - have scores on IMDb which to my mind are far more realistic and believable than the ones critics gave them (and here again: the RT user score is more in line with the IMDb user score).
And let's not forget: critics are just people - there's a fair number of fanboys and haters among them just like there is among the rest of us.
Generally, I would say that I have certain reservations about EARLY scores and reviews on IMDb, especially when the films are being hotly debated before release or they are hugely anticipated. After a while though, with very few exceptions, the exaggerated highs and lows even out and we get a fairly accurate depiction of how a film was perceived by the majority of viewers. That is true for both the scores and the reviews on IMDb.
P.S. OK, full disclosure: I happen to write a lot of reviews on IMDb so I may be a liiiitle biased in this regard
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 9:37:15 GMT
When will we have the reviews ? Now. Check Rotten Tomatoes and note the avg rating. It was 74% when I checked yesterday. I can't say I'm really excited for it, but I will still watch it. LOLOL it's got feminist Watson as a lead, a "progressive" SJW-backed PC-reinvented story of her being an inventor blah blah, they've removed trigger lines, it has the first official gay Disney character--of course the critics are going to love this one. Remember how the critics adored that trash-heap that was Ghostbusters just because there were four female leads? Yeah, that happened too. RT is about as reliable as a leaky boat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 3:27:57 GMT
The singing is godawful, and reviewers have even brought that up in plenty of the rotten reviews. They keep coming in along with the freshes, so this is looking like a mixed bag. Some are reviewing the film on musical merit, and a lot is missing there. I've listened to the entire score, and here's what I have to say on musical merit.
'Aria' sounds like a lost track from the Scarlet Pimpernel musical. While it's the most bearable new track, it doesn't have a lot going for it.
I will say, from the songs performed by the actual movie cast, MacGregor's Be Our Guest was the best, followed by The Mob Song. The lyric changes to Gaston were unnecessary. The majority of the cast should stick to primarily acting, as they haven't the vocal range or ability to sustain a note if their lives (and careers) depended upon it. Auto-tuning is very present, and Disney and that one producer who said otherwise are big liars. Nothing new.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 3:52:37 GMT
The singing is godawful, and reviewers have even brought that up in plenty of the rotten reviews. That's sad to hear. Is is as bad as the singing in 2004 Phantom of the Opera? What about the much dreaded gay scene? I've read that it's so subtle, most people wouldn't notice had it not been announced. Is this true?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 4:34:08 GMT
I won't judge this film until I've seen it. Smart.
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Post by spooner5020 on Mar 10, 2017 14:11:20 GMT
The singing is godawful, and reviewers have even brought that up in plenty of the rotten reviews. They keep coming in along with the freshes, so this is looking like a mixed bag. Some are reviewing the film on musical merit, and a lot is missing there. I've listened to the entire score, and here's what I have to say on musical merit. 'Aria' sounds like a lost track from the Scarlet Pimpernel musical. While it's the most bearable new track, it doesn't have a lot going for it. I will say, from the songs performed by the actual movie cast, MacGregor's Be Our Guest was the best, followed by The Mob Song. The lyric changes to Gaston were unnecessary. The majority of the cast should stick to primarily acting, as they haven't the vocal range or ability to sustain a note if their lives (and careers) depended upon it. Auto-tuning is very present, and Disney and that one producer who said otherwise are big liars. Nothing new. Are these the same people who thought the singing in Jungle book was awful too? And also I don't agree about the singing. I think Emma sounds great. Yes she does fall flat sometimes but so what? She's an actress not a singer. Disney clearly saw something in her or else they would have gone with someone else. At least be thankful it wasn't Amy Schumer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 17:26:16 GMT
The singing is atrocious in places, unfortunately. I actually cringed listening to the opening number. They decided to cast a Belle who can't sing the notes, can't sustain a phrase, and has to be edited through the rafters. They decided to cast a Beast who didn't have a voice deep enough for the role, so they altered his speaking and singing voice which makes his solo unlistenable when it sounds like it may have been OK otherwise. And all the lyric changes are distracting. I wish they would have never remade the movie at this point. I'm glad for all these spoilers for one reason though - I now know not to waste my money seeing it in theatres.
The Mob Song, however, is well done. The music sounds extra menacing and Gaston sounds very malicious. On YouTube, the entire soundtrack is available on the DisneyMusicVEVO channel.
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Post by jrj624 on Mar 15, 2017 0:54:13 GMT
I just saw the film and when it was finished I found myself asking ... "Wait a minute ... where was this 'gay scene' they having been making such a big deal out of?" Seriously, if nothing had ever been said in the first place, I'm guessing 99.9% of the audience never would have given it a second thought ... that's how ridiculous this whole thing is!! Now, enough about that aspect ... what did I think of the film as a whole? It was fantastic!!! I guess haters will always be haters but Emma Watson was perfect for the role. You simply cannot compare listening to the music via cd/streaming/itunes/whatever to hearing and seeing it at the same time in the context of the film. It worked perfectly for me and I will wager a guess that for the majority of the movie going public that will be seeing this film, they will all think it's wonderful. Unlike the few nitpickers online, most of these people will not be going into this film with preconceived expectations. Many will have never likely seen the stage show and, even though many may be familiar with the original animated classic, they will realize there is no need to compare the two, they are two entirely different "beasts" (no pun intended). The film stands on it's own ... it's a beautiful film visually ... and I guarantee there will be a few kleenex's used before the end of the film. I really feel sorry for the few out there that have so much hate for something that they haven't even seen yet. Fortunately, it is their loss, not ours. GO ... see for yourself. My guess is you'll enjoy it and probably go back again.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 15, 2017 23:36:02 GMT
It looks like it'd be a solid entry as far as their live action remakes go. I figured it'd get better reviews than what's shown up on RT so far.
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Post by ashverses on Apr 13, 2017 16:32:44 GMT
Now crossed 1 billion WW and 436M Domestic.
If this were 2016, it'd be 3rd domestically (behind Finding Dory but ahead of Civil War). WW it would be 5th overall (between Jungle Book and Zootopia).
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Post by deeznutz on Apr 15, 2017 21:38:01 GMT
Couldn't care less it's one of the Disney classics I don't like
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Post by MooseNugget on May 15, 2017 3:04:35 GMT
I really enjoyed the film. All the music was good. Of course being a Disney film the CGI was top notch. 9/10.
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