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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:49:24 GMT
Logan is much better than The Dark Knight. Thats an overrated turd. That movie makes no sense what so ever. It only gets lots of praise because its Ledgers big farewell.
It has the worst Batman actor. There is no story. No purpose. Nothing deep about it.
Harvey Dent gets angry at Batman for saving him instead of Rachel (great plastic surgery job after Batman Begins btw) but it was The Joker who fed Batman false information. He gets so angry that he teams up with... The Joker... How does that make any sense?
Its a whole lot of clueless shite. BvS is the much superior film. And that one has got Martha...
So really, you are insulting the CBM Fox ever made when you put it in the same league as The Dark Knight.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 7, 2017 19:44:05 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 19:53:38 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...? you like saying Bayesian don't you?
All I'm saying is SPH has a higher fan score on top of a higher rating, so it's definitely up there.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 7, 2017 20:23:54 GMT
better reviewed than logan with 93% at 7.9 average rating after nearly 6 months?. before Logan even got the best reviewed movie ever on rt, the film already got a lot of TDK comparison. homecoming has not gotten that type of accliam or comparsion. wonder woman was at a 94% at the time of the release on Friday and dropped to a 92%. so it is in the spiderman homecoming range. If this holds then it would cause a lot of problems and credibility for critics. a movie like Logan that is a land mark comic film and raised the bar for cbms scoring lower than a movie like Homecoming on %, that despite the good reviews has not been called one of the best comic films ever or the best marvel film getting that 94% will just confirm critics go very soft on mcu movies and they are indeed bias to mcu movies Homecoming was fun and light hearted but much inferior to Logan. and I hate to say this but wonder woman was the better and more interesting, it took more chances and had a better plotline. Logan is an oscar worthy movie that will be talked about for years to come. homecoming is a pop corn flick. RT scores will become meaningless and very questioning if this score remains higher than Logan, TDK, Winter Solider or DOFP. There Are many fans of Spiderman that have said spiderman 1 and 2 are better. so what is the plan with this critics? did they get so mad at themselves for praising wonder woman that they quickly remembered their loyalty is to marvel first? the same critics gave power ranger 2017 a 46% on rt even though the first 2 arcs of power rangers was as good as homecoming. Logan got an easier time with critics because it was Jackman's Swan Song and because they killed him and Xavier off, plus it was "grounded" while SM:H wholly embraces what it is. So that's why Logan got that praise, it was mainly due to the artificial boosters of that other stuff than the actual content of the film. Of course, Dark Knight itself is overrated and got protection from critics thanks to Heath Ledgers' you-know-what.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 7, 2017 20:30:57 GMT
I don't think it was in the league of tdk at all. It perfect for what it was, I agree. A small little film that sums up the end of Logan, and it was a nice touch. But it's not like it's the best comic film ever and although I haven't seen Homecoming yet, I'm inclined to say it's apt to be a lot more fun.
The Oscar nom conversation is just silly. WW got that word tossed about and 4 weeks later Homecoming has better reviews. Homecoming has a higher like rating than both, etc.
I think you're underselling it. --------------------------------- it was actually in the league of tdk by the same critics you are suing to sell homecoming and comic book fans and people agreed in general. the POV is not shared with homecoming. the same critics have rated homecoming high but none of them have called it one of the best super hero films of all time. the reviews are similar to dr strange than tdk or logan or even TWS and DOFP. Wonder woman even got that honour with some critics. homecoming has been called a lot of fun. it has not even be called the best mcu to date like avengers, tws, civil war or gotg. that's it. Nothing deep or a game changer. marvel must have turned up the juice with this critics. wonder woman scared the shit out of them. on many comic book board, a lot of spiderman fans (people who actually read the comics are rating it lower than spiderman 1 and 2). need more proof the of the mcu bias? logan is way above homecoming. wonder woman is better than homecoming.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 20:34:53 GMT
I don't think it was in the league of tdk at all. It perfect for what it was, I agree. A small little film that sums up the end of Logan, and it was a nice touch. But it's not like it's the best comic film ever and although I haven't seen Homecoming yet, I'm inclined to say it's apt to be a lot more fun.
The Oscar nom conversation is just silly. WW got that word tossed about and 4 weeks later Homecoming has better reviews. Homecoming has a higher like rating than both, etc.
I think you're underselling it. --------------------------------- it was actually in the league of tdk by the same critics you are suing to sell homecoming and comic book fans and people agreed in general. the POV is not shared with homecoming. the same critics have rated homecoming high but none of them have called it one of the best super hero films of all time. the reviews are similar to dr strange than tdk or logan or even TWS and DOFP. Wonder woman even got that honour with some critics. homecoming has been called a lot of fun. it has not even be called the best mcu to date like avengers, tws, civil war or gotg. that's it. Nothing deep or a game changer. marvel must have turned up the juice with this critics. wonder woman scared the shit out of them. on many comic book board, a lot of spiderman fans (people who actually read the comics are rating it lower than spiderman 1 and 2). need more proof the of the mcu bias? logan is way above homecoming. wonder woman is better than homecoming.
It's good. It's definitely good, and I don't think there is anything wrong with it at all. It even has some qualities that make it next level because of the uniqueness of what it accomplishes, which is utterly brilliant in many regards. So yes I fully support it.
But it's almost like Schindler's List in the way that you don't really need to see it again. It lacks a certain amount of fun, which was the point, and I'm suggesting it should have had any more fun because that would not have been the point, but as a result of being the lone gun depressing sort of climax that it is, it just doesn't have that TDK, Avengers, Terminator 2 watch it 437 times thing going for it.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 7, 2017 20:48:57 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...? It has nothing to do with rt scores. it is about the better movie with good film making and thinking outside box in this already crowded genre. mcu continues to make generic popcorn flicks and still keeps getting a good score from critics. hell naw baby.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 20:52:25 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...? It has nothing to do with rt scores. it is about the better movie with good film making and thinking outside box in this already crowded genre. mcu continues to make generic popcorn flicks and still keeps getting a good score from critics. hell naw baby. They aren't generic. They're actually very character focused. It's weird that you think that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 7, 2017 21:01:23 GMT
I don't think it was in the league of tdk at all. It perfect for what it was, I agree. A small little film that sums up the end of Logan, and it was a nice touch. But it's not like it's the best comic film ever and although I haven't seen Homecoming yet, I'm inclined to say it's apt to be a lot more fun.
The Oscar nom conversation is just silly. WW got that word tossed about and 4 weeks later Homecoming has better reviews. Homecoming has a higher like rating than both, etc.
I think you're underselling it. --------------------------------- it was actually in the league of tdk by the same critics you are suing to sell homecoming and comic book fans and people agreed in general. the POV is not shared with homecoming. the same critics have rated homecoming high but none of them have called it one of the best super hero films of all time. the reviews are similar to dr strange than tdk or logan or even TWS and DOFP. Wonder woman even got that honour with some critics. homecoming has been called a lot of fun. it has not even be called the best mcu to date like avengers, tws, civil war or gotg. that's it. Nothing deep or a game changer. marvel must have turned up the juice with this critics. wonder woman scared the shit out of them. on many comic book board, a lot of spiderman fans (people who actually read the comics are rating it lower than spiderman 1 and 2). need more proof the of the mcu bias? logan is way above homecoming. wonder woman is better than homecoming.
Like I said, those critics went easy on it for other reasons. Homecoming doesn't have the artificial boosters that Logan did. And Logan really wasn't the "game changer" fans say it is, there was little new there.
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Post by miike80 on Jul 7, 2017 21:14:09 GMT
better reviewed than logan with 93% at 7.9 average rating after nearly 6 months?. before Logan even got the best reviewed movie ever on rt, the film already got a lot of TDK comparison. homecoming has not gotten that type of accliam or comparsion. wonder woman was at a 94% at the time of the release on Friday and dropped to a 92%. so it is in the spiderman homecoming range. If this holds then it would cause a lot of problems and credibility for critics. a movie like Logan that is a land mark comic film and raised the bar for cbms scoring lower than a movie like Homecoming on %, that despite the good reviews has not been called one of the best comic films ever or the best marvel film getting that 94% will just confirm critics go very soft on mcu movies and they are indeed bias to mcu movies Homecoming was fun and light hearted but much inferior to Logan. and I hate to say this but wonder woman was the better and more interesting, it took more chances and had a better plotline. Logan is an oscar worthy movie that will be talked about for years to come. homecoming is a pop corn flick. RT scores will become meaningless and very questioning if this score remains higher than Logan, TDK, Winter Solider or DOFP. There Are many fans of Spiderman that have said spiderman 1 and 2 are better. so what is the plan with this critics? did they get so mad at themselves for praising wonder woman that they quickly remembered their loyalty is to marvel first? the same critics gave power ranger 2017 a 46% on rt even though the first 2 arcs of power rangers was as good as homecoming. Logan got an easier time with critics because it was Jackman's Swan Song and because they killed him and Xavier off, plus it was "grounded" while SM:H wholly embraces what it is. So that's why Logan got that praise, it was mainly due to the artificial boosters of that other stuff than the actual content of the film. Of course, Dark Knight itself is overrated and got protection from critics thanks to Heath Ledgers' you-know-what. So...everything that's not MCU is overrated,we got it
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 21:18:16 GMT
So...everything that's not MCU is overrated,we got it I'm not aware of anything in the MCU that's been overrated.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 7, 2017 21:33:30 GMT
They aren't generic. They're actually very character focused. It's weird that you think that. well they are generic. spiderman fans are giving their reviews and most are saying it does not hold a candle to the raimi movies. forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=531941&page=4I am all for marvel making their typical light hearted pop corn flick but please lets stop hurting the credibility of this genre by putting a movie of homecoming status to logan, tdk, tws and dofp. perhaps the most adult comic films that are good movies not just good comic films. if you think i am wrong then why has none of the reviews called the movie the best mcu movie to date? civil war was called that at least for a while.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 22:32:32 GMT
They aren't generic. They're actually very character focused. It's weird that you think that. well they are generic. spiderman fans are giving their reviews and most are saying it does not hold a candle to the raimi movies. forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=531941&page=4I am all for marvel making their typical light hearted pop corn flick but please lets stop hurting the credibility of this genre by putting a movie of homecoming status to logan, tdk, tws and dofp. perhaps the most adult comic films that are good movies not just good comic films. if you think i am wrong then why has none of the reviews called the movie the best mcu movie to date? civil war was called that at least for a while. No, actually most are saying it's great at least very comparable to Spidey 2.
If you want to pretend every movie needs to be super series and that makes it better, go right ahead, but I love that Marvel has been smart enough to switch up the pace at every turn.
Who said it had to be the best MCU movie to date? There's like 16 of them. Relax.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 7, 2017 23:28:02 GMT
well they are generic. spiderman fans are giving their reviews and most are saying it does not hold a candle to the raimi movies. forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=531941&page=4I am all for marvel making their typical light hearted pop corn flick but please lets stop hurting the credibility of this genre by putting a movie of homecoming status to logan, tdk, tws and dofp. perhaps the most adult comic films that are good movies not just good comic films. if you think i am wrong then why has none of the reviews called the movie the best mcu movie to date? civil war was called that at least for a while. No, actually most are saying it's great at least very comparable to Spidey 2.
If you want to pretend every movie needs to be super series and that makes it better, go right ahead, but I love that Marvel has been smart enough to switch up the pace at every turn.
Who said it had to be the best MCU movie to date? There's like 16 of them. Relax. ------------------------ 16 mcu movies but they have their elites. civil war, tws, avengers gotg. are their elites. not once has anyone said homecoming is better than TWS which is considered the best mcu movie.
most are saying spiderman 2 is better. way better. many are saying spiderman 1 is better. as for the oscar talk, it was not silly. at least not with logan and there is the difference.logan is a movie worthy of oscar norms.; spiderman is not because it is another light and funny generic mcu movie. the difference between the high rt score is that logan rt score is worthy of a masterpiece. homecoming rt score is not. its more like when dr strange scored a 90 but usually ranked as a middle mcu movie.
Logan is still rated higher over all. thanks to more reviews and a higher average rating but please how scared did marvel become of logan and wonder woman that they had to make sure the critics were still on their side after gotg 2?
all this replies and even the mcu fans cant say homecoming is the best comic film of 2017 . the critics have not even said it at all. this movie is not better than wonder woman talkless of logan but it does one thing....finally shows the bias is real with marvel movies had logan been a marvel film, it would have stayed a 100% fresh on rt. please you think marvel is not already courting with some critics about captain marvel after wonder woman?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2017 23:37:16 GMT
------------------------ 16 mcu movies but they have their elites. civil war, tws, avengers gotg. are their elites. not once has anyone said homecoming is better than TWS which is considered the best mcu movie.
most are saying spiderman 2 is better. way better. many are saying spiderman 1 is better. as for the oscar talk, it was not silly. at least not with logan and there is the difference.logan is a movie worthy of oscar norms.; spiderman is not because it is another light and funny generic mcu movie. the difference between the high rt score is that logan rt score is worthy of a masterpiece. homecoming rt score is not. its more like when dr strange scored a 90 but usually ranked as a middle mcu movie.
Logan is still rated higher over all. thanks to more reviews and a higher average rating but please how scared did marvel become of logan and wonder woman that they had to make sure the critics were still on their side after gotg 2?
all this replies and even the mcu fans cant say homecoming is the best comic film of 2017 . the critics have not even said it at all. this movie is not better than wonder woman talkless of logan but it does one thing....finally shows the bias is real with marvel movies had logan been a marvel film, it would have stayed a 100% fresh on rt. please you think marvel is not already courting with some critics about captain marvel after wonder woman?
Can you learn how to type in the boxes correctly? That would really help. Thanks.
So, I don't know why you're going on about this "nobody said it was the best MCU film" Who cares? That has nothing to do with anything.
And Spidey is actually getting better reviews, it has an overall higher RT score and audience score currently, and Logan only barely has a better rating. So I don't see what your point really is there.
I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say if it's better than WW, but there wasn't anything particularly special about WW, so there's plenty of room for it to be.
I'm not interested in your biased critics bullshit.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 8, 2017 0:15:28 GMT
Can you learn how to type in the boxes correctly? That would really help. Thanks.
So, I don't know why you're going on about this "nobody said it was the best MCU film" Who cares? That has nothing to do with anything.
And Spidey is actually getting better reviews, it has an overall higher RT score and audience score currently, and Logan only barely has a better rating. So I don't see what your point really is there.
I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say if it's better than WW, but there wasn't anything particularly special about WW, so there's plenty of room for it to be.
I'm not interested in your biased critics bullshit. ------------------------------------- my bias bullshit ? please tell that to the critics that turn into cowards and cant call out when mcu makes a bad movie. didnt rt do their best cbm movies of all time and logan came in at no 1? when that happened, no one lost sleep over it because we all said if it is not logan than it should be tdk. it is a joke to now imply homecoming is the best rated cbm ever.I knew rt scores were meaningless but if spiderman homecoming stays in the 92-94 range then the credibility would be lost. spiderman homecoming is barely out and it holds t 8.3 on imdb. logan is 6 month and it holds at 8.3. wonder woman and logan have higher metacritic scores
if there was no bias then spiderman homecoming should be rated lower than mcu winter solider. logan does not barely has a better rating because logan is at more than 250+ reviews after 6 months. spiderman the reviews are still counting. even the best mcu fan on this board...the one with the captain america photo called the film solid..that was it. this is the problem with critics, this days. you say the critics are not biased but iron man 2, thor 2 and AOU all got comfortable fresh scores? marvel will put out bullshit and critics will still praise it. this is the bias that has turned rt into fox and cnn news.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2017 0:19:09 GMT
Can you learn how to type in the boxes correctly? That would really help. Thanks.
So, I don't know why you're going on about this "nobody said it was the best MCU film" Who cares? That has nothing to do with anything.
And Spidey is actually getting better reviews, it has an overall higher RT score and audience score currently, and Logan only barely has a better rating. So I don't see what your point really is there.
I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say if it's better than WW, but there wasn't anything particularly special about WW, so there's plenty of room for it to be.
I'm not interested in your biased critics bullshit. ------------------------------------- my bias bullshit ? please tell that to the critics that turn into cowards and cant call out when mcu makes a bad movie. didnt rt do their best cbm movies of all time and logan came in at no 1? when that happened, no one lost sleep over it because we all said if it is not logan than it should be tdk. it is a joke to now imply homecoming is the best rated cbm ever.I knew rt scores were meaningless but if spiderman homecoming stays in the 92-94 range then the credibility would be lost. spiderman homecoming is barely out and it holds t 8.3 on imdb. logan is 6 month and it holds at 8.3. wonder woman and logan have higher metacritic scores
if there was no bias then spiderman homecoming should be rated lower than mcu winter solider. logan does not barely has a better rating because logan is at more than 250+ reviews after 6 months. spiderman the reviews are still counting. even the best mcu fan on this board...the one with the captain america photo called the film solid..that was it. this is the problem with critics, this days. you say the critics are not biased but iron man 2, thor 2 and AOU all got comfortable fresh scores? marvel will put out bullshit and critics will still praise it. this is the bias that has turned rt into fox and cnn news.
Please learn how to type in the boxes. Thank you.
And the MCU hasn't made a bad movie, so I don't know why you'd expect anybody to say they have. IM2, THOR2, and AOU are all good films.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 8, 2017 0:31:48 GMT
Please learn how to type in the boxes. Thank you.
And the MCU hasn't made a bad movie, so I don't know why you'd expect anybody to say they have. IM2, THOR2, and AOU are all good films.
those are bad movies or disappointing movies. if you call IM2, Thor 2 and AOU good films please do the same for man of steel and x-men 3 that got better average rating on rt and even better metacritic scores. as I said. mcu will put out crap and the critics wont call it out.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2017 0:42:56 GMT
Please learn how to type in the boxes. Thank you.
And the MCU hasn't made a bad movie, so I don't know why you'd expect anybody to say they have. IM2, THOR2, and AOU are all good films.
those are bad movies or disappointing movies. if you call IM2, Thor 2 and AOU good films please do the same for man of steel and x-men 3 that got better average rating on rt and even better metacritic scores. as I said. mcu will put out crap and the critics wont call it out. They're definitely not bad movies, and I'm sorry if you were disappointed by them, but I find them to have a lot of really great moments, with great acting, great characters, and great action. Man of Steel was far more poorly written which is why is it gets the derision is does. Trying to act like MOS was in the same ball park is just incorrect. I'm sorry.
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Post by zoilus on Jul 8, 2017 0:50:34 GMT
Please learn how to type in the boxes. Thank you.
And the MCU hasn't made a bad movie, so I don't know why you'd expect anybody to say they have. IM2, THOR2, and AOU are all good films.
those are bad movies or disappointing movies. if you call IM2, Thor 2 and AOU good films please do the same for man of steel and x-men 3 that got better average rating on rt and even better metacritic scores. as I said. mcu will put out crap and the critics wont call it out. You seem to think your opinions on IM2, Thor2 and AoU are more objective than the critics' opinions. They're not.
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