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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2017 1:11:12 GMT
200 reviews now in and 188 Fresh with strong praise, and the Box office is strong too out of the gate.
16-0 for Marvel. Unbelievable.
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Post by summers8 on Jul 8, 2017 1:20:47 GMT
those are bad movies or disappointing movies. if you call IM2, Thor 2 and AOU good films please do the same for man of steel and x-men 3 that got better average rating on rt and even better metacritic scores. as I said. mcu will put out crap and the critics wont call it out. You seem to think your opinions on IM2, Thor2 and AoU are more objective than the critics' opinions. They're not. the same critics rated X3 higher than thor 1, thor 2 and iron man 3 on metacritic. critics are supposed to be consistent with criticism and be objective they do that well for all films except the mcu movies. once upon a time critics never gave a movie a good review because it was only fun and entertaining. as you hide behind critics can you actually tell me that SMH is on the same level as the Logan or TDK??? or even the mcu movie that is closest to these films. Winter Solider. the only real adult mcu movie? as I said, the homecoming reviews is the critics showing their loyalty to marvel after wonder woman. the critics reception of the film is not matching the fans reception's of the film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 8, 2017 1:22:56 GMT
You seem to think your opinions on IM2, Thor2 and AoU are more objective than the critics' opinions. They're not. the same critics rated X3 higher than thor 1, thor 2 and iron man 3 on metacritic. critics are supposed to be consistent with criticism and be objective they do that well for all films except the mcu movies. once upon a time critics never gave a movie a good review because it was only fun and entertaining. as you hide behind critics can you actually tell me that SMH is on the same level as the Logan or TDK??? or even the mcu movie that is closest to these films. Winter Solider. the only real adult mcu movie? as I said, the homecoming reviews is the critics showing their loyalty to marvel after wonder woman. the critics reception of the film is not matching the fans reception's of the film. X3 had little competition, so it had an easier time. And yes, Homecoming is as good as either of those because Homecoming didn't need the artificial boosters both TDK and Logan had (Heath Ledger dying and Jackman's swan song performance).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 8, 2017 1:22:56 GMT
You seem to think your opinions on IM2, Thor2 and AoU are more objective than the critics' opinions. They're not. the same critics rated X3 higher than thor 1, thor 2 and iron man 3 on metacritic. critics are supposed to be consistent with criticism and be objective they do that well for all films except the mcu movies. once upon a time critics never gave a movie a good review because it was only fun and entertaining. as you hide behind critics can you actually tell me that SMH is on the same level as the Logan or TDK??? or even the mcu movie that is closest to these films. Winter Solider. the only real adult mcu movie? as I said, the homecoming reviews is the critics showing their loyalty to marvel after wonder woman. the critics reception of the film is not matching the fans reception's of the film. You are having to go so far out of the way just to try to muddy up the water so that you can pretend the MCU is fucking awesome. Just relax bro. The MCU are solid, fun, great films.
Relax and enjoy it. Good grief dude.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 8, 2017 1:23:31 GMT
Logan got an easier time with critics because it was Jackman's Swan Song and because they killed him and Xavier off, plus it was "grounded" while SM:H wholly embraces what it is. So that's why Logan got that praise, it was mainly due to the artificial boosters of that other stuff than the actual content of the film. Of course, Dark Knight itself is overrated and got protection from critics thanks to Heath Ledgers' you-know-what. So...everything that's not MCU is overrated,we got it Just those two "Masterpiece Genre-Changers" which are anything BUT Game-changers.
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Post by zoilus on Jul 8, 2017 2:21:05 GMT
critics are supposed to be consistent LOL no. as you hide behind critics can you actually tell me that SMH is on the same level as the Logan or TDK??? Wat? Moi? I don't care about critic ratings. I don't mention them unless maybe I'm trying to rile up some idiot that takes reviews too seriously. I liked Logan but apparently not as much as others because I didn't rate it as high as it's been getting. 'Good not great' But then again it was the end for Jackman and Stewart (well, he may appear on Legion) and things like that can bias critics into being more generous. It's a 'legacy rating'. TDK was masterful. Certainly a step (or 2) above Logan IMHO. I probably will like SM:H more than TDK though, because I liked his tone in Civil War and Spidey is fun while TDK was kind of dark and just a touch away from taking itself too seriously. as I said, the homecoming reviews is the critics showing their loyalty to marvel after wonder woman. the critics reception of the film is not matching the fans reception's of the film. What's that even mean? They're being kinder to SM:H because WW just came out? That's dumb. They liked WW. They liked Spidey. No question of loyalty here. On RT the 'top critics' score is 92% and the audience score is 92%. Is that what you mean by matching? I don't get it. You're complaining about one type of viewer opinion not matching a slightly different type of viewer opinion. You're overanalyzing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 16:03:32 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...? Tristan, shut up. What would you know about RT scores? Also, you seem desperate, but how desperate? Because the IMDb top 250 keeps getting changed, but you're too blind to see. See, you're not intelligent enough to post in this type of thread, it just makes you look like a snob
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 8, 2017 16:39:21 GMT
enter fanboy Stanton, one of our most unwavering low effort thinkers here. Did you ever go to school, old chap? You are blatantly wrong on every conceivable level: 1. I really hate to spoil it for you again. But one cannot objectively compare the ratings of movies (even when from the same site) WITHOUT some statistically adjusted methodology, e.g. Bayesian, weighing and accounting for the different numbers of reviews and other factors. Have RT already release the adjusted score...? No, but unenlightened nimrods like you do not care for facts anyway. 2. Even when ignoring basic mathematics and statistical methods, Logan from this year is a lot higher. Btw Logan is also in the Top 250 unlike MCU films, lets see how Spiderboy fares, huh...? Tristan, shut up. What would you know about RT scores? Also, you seem desperate, but how desperate? Because the IMDb top 250 keeps getting changed, but you're too blind to see. See, you're not intelligent enough to post in this type of thread, it just makes you look like a snob
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 18:32:54 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 9, 2017 1:39:32 GMT
200 reviews now in and 188 Fresh with strong praise, and the Box office is strong too out of the gate.
16-0 for Marvel. Unbelievable. Unbelievable is right! Because it's not even true. 75% = "Certified Fresh" A:AoU ( 74.6 ) IM2 ( 72.5 ) TIH ( 66.8 ) and T:TDW ( 65.9 ) all fail this basic test.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2017 1:55:38 GMT
200 reviews now in and 188 Fresh with strong praise, and the Box office is strong too out of the gate.
16-0 for Marvel. Unbelievable. Unbelievable is right! Because it's not even true. 75% = "Certified Fresh" A:AoU ( 74.6 ) IM2 ( 72.5 ) TIH ( 66.8 ) and T:TDW ( 65.9 ) all fail this basic test. Are you just making up your own criteria? They're all fresh. Nobody said certified fresh, so wtf are you talking about?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 18, 2017 12:11:57 GMT
It is, but it has a 93, and yeah it's great, but it's also rather slow and one of those that is really really really good at what it is, but also isn't particularly exciting or needs to be seen again. In terms of reviews, it has a higher average rating and a greater number of reviews compared to 'Homecoming'. Ok, Homecoming has maintained it's advantage, so that whole "WW has more reviews" thing doesn't apply any more.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 18, 2017 15:04:33 GMT
In terms of reviews, it has a higher average rating and a greater number of reviews compared to 'Homecoming'. Ok, Homecoming has maintained it's advantage, so that whole "WW has more reviews" thing doesn't apply any more. I was referring to Logan, not WW.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 18, 2017 16:17:55 GMT
In terms of reviews, it has a higher average rating and a greater number of reviews compared to 'Homecoming'. Ok, Homecoming has maintained it's advantage Nope. SMH has now dropped into a tie with Wonder Woman at 92%. But the most important number is 61%. That's the 2nd-weekend drop for SMH now that word-of-mouth has quickly spread that SMH is just another over-rated and over-hyped MCU movie.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 18, 2017 16:44:27 GMT
Dude, Wonder Woman and Spider-Man are great films in their own right. Wonder Woman has a slight advantage of making a little bit more because we've never seen her on the big screen before while we're on our 6th Spider-Man movie. So it's not surprising at all that Spider-Man had a drop. But they're both got amazing reviews and are above 90%. One really isn't better than the other. To MCU fans, Wonder Woman was a success and they deserve it. Why bring that down. And too DCEU fans, (particularly one) twist it however you want, Spider-Man was a success too and another hit for Marvel. Bitching and moaning about it won't bring it down just because you don't like the MCU
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 19, 2017 3:04:30 GMT
they're both got amazing reviews and are above 90%. One really isn't better than the other. Yet when SMH was 1% or 2% higher than Wonder Woman, many MCU fans here (including you and ArArArchStanton) kept insisting that was proof that SMH was better than Wonder Woman. But now that SMH has dropped into a tie with Wonder Woman at 92%, you're saying that 1% or 2% didn't matter. To MCU fans, Wonder Woman was a success and they deserve it. Why bring that down. Many MCU fans here (including ArArchStanton) kept insisting that SMH was better than Wonder Woman because SMH's opening weekend of $117.0M beat Wonder Woman's opening weekend of $103.3M. But SMH dropped 62.2% for a 2nd weekend of $44.2M while Wonder Woman dropped only 43.3% for a 2nd weekend of $58.5M. So SMH's opening weekend beat Wonder Woman's opening weekend by $13.7M, but Wonder Woman's 2nd weekend beat SMH's 2nd weekend by $14.3M. Opening weekends are mostly due to marketing and hype. 2nd weekends are due to word-of-mouth. And the 62.2% drop for SMH indicates that the word-of-mouth is quickly spreading that SMH is just another over-hyped and over-rated MCU movie.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 19, 2017 3:08:25 GMT
they're both got amazing reviews and are above 90%. One really isn't better than the other. Yet when SMH was 1% or 2% higher than Wonder Woman, many MCU fans here (including you and ArArArchStanton) kept insisting that was proof that SMH was better than Wonder Woman. But now that SMH has dropped into a tie with Wonder Woman at 92%, you're saying that 1% or 2% didn't matter. To MCU fans, Wonder Woman was a success and they deserve it. Why bring that down. Many MCU fans here (including ArArchStanton) kept insisting that SMH was better than Wonder Woman because SMH's opening weekend of $117.0M beat Wonder Woman's opening weekend of $103.3M. But SMH dropped 62.2% for a 2nd weekend of $44.2M while Wonder Woman dropped only 43.3% for a 2nd weekend of $58.5M. So SMH's opening weekend beat Wonder Woman's opening weekend by $13.7M, but Wonder Woman's 2nd weekend beat SMH's 2nd weekend by $14.3M. Opening weekends are mostly due to marketing and hype. 2nd weekends are due to word-of-mouth. And the 62.2% drop for SMH indicates that the word-of-mouth is quickly spreading that SMH is just another over-hyped and over-rated MCU movie. Yet, you were also the one pulling that shit too, so don't pretend you didn't. But if you read my Spider-Man review, you'd see that I actually prefer Wonder Woman over Spider-Man. And it's not really surprising that it dropped because it's the 6th Spider-Man film we've had. We haven't had a Wonder Woman film before, so it's not surprising most would want to see that first.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 19, 2017 3:40:03 GMT
if you read my Spider-Man review, you'd see that I actually prefer Wonder Woman over Spider-Man. I haven't read your review yet because it's just too damn long. Even IMDb limits reviews to 1000 words. Your review looks to be more than twice that long. Maybe 1 of these days when I'm not as busy, I'll read your review. it's not really surprising that it dropped because it's the 6th Spider-Man film we've had. We haven't had a Wonder Woman film before, so it's not surprising most would want to see that first. In 2008, MCU released their 1st Iron Man movie and DC released The Dark Knight (which was the 6th Batman movie, if you don't count the 1966 Batman movie starring Adam West and Burt Ward). The Dark Knight did better than Iron Man in the 1st weekend, the 2nd weekend, the 3rd weekend, etc ... all the way through the 13th weekend. Iron Man finally beat The Dark Knight in the 14th, 15th, 16th, and 17th weekends before The Dark Knight came back to beat Iron Man in the last 5 weekends.
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