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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 12:53:33 GMT
Just have them watch the bloody Sam Raimi movies. Or read Amazing Spider Man issue number 1 online or something |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 12, 2017 13:12:40 GMT
It didn't need to be an origin story (and I'm glad it wasn't), but they don't even touch on some of the Spider-Man essentials. How'd he get his powers? Why does he even want to be a hero? There's a throwaway line about him getting bit by a spider, but that's not self explanatory. If you're a kid who wants to get into Spider-Man, you better do your homework before Homecoming. Shame. I thought you were better than that, Marvel. I like that they did that. Wish DC would do that with Batman and Superman. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 12, 2017 13:37:14 GMT
Uncle Ben should have been mentioned, not just alluded to vaguely, since his death due to Peter's irresponsibility is Peter's whole motivation. The "with great power..." ethos kind of fell to the wayside with wanting to impress Stark. Yeah yeah they alluded to that less vaguely in Civil War but this is the solo film, what harm could there be in having it again. That said, any self-respecting parent who's a Spider-Man fan should make their kid watch at least Raimi's Spider-Man 1 before or after this, preferably before. That covers the origin. It's like people forget the old films exist. Since the Raimi trilogy is not that good I would say that they should watch ASM1 first. Wow! You have no taste. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 14:04:24 GMT
It didn't need to be an origin story (and I'm glad it wasn't), but they don't even touch on some of the Spider-Man essentials. How'd he get his powers? Why does he even want to be a hero? There's a throwaway line about him getting bit by a spider, but that's not self explanatory. If you're a kid who wants to get into Spider-Man, you better do your homework before Homecoming. Shame. I thought you were better than that, Marvel. I like that they did that. Wish DC would do that with Batman and Superman. Force you to do homework? |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 12, 2017 14:48:06 GMT
It's not a big deal. My first Batman experience was Batman '66 and it had no origin story, that didn't hurt my life long love of Batman. My first Spider-Man experience was the the 1967 TV series. I think it had one flash back episode that touched on his origin story but it wasn't the first episode and it wasn't needed for me to love the show.
You can't time these things for every single kid. Don't worry, kids figure it out.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 12, 2017 16:00:32 GMT
I would argue that Spider-Man: Homecoming works as an excellent introduction to the character for children and preteens.
Homecoming displays all of the things that draw a child or preteen into a superhero's world, it show Peter's personality, motivations, powers, weaknesses, his supporting cast and the world he operates in. The fact that the movie doesn't serve his origin on a platter incentivizes a child to go out on their own and learn more about the character via the comic books where he originated.
Doing homework isn't an inherently bad thing - especially when it comes to kids. There is no right or wrong way for a child to get introduced to a superhero.
Did you start reading from Amazing Spider-Man number one when you got introduced to the character? This "argument" doesn't hold much water.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:02:24 GMT
I would argue that Spider-Man: Homecoming works as an excellent introduction to the character for children and preteens. Homecoming displays all of the things that draw a child or preteen into a superhero's world, it show Peter's personality, motivations, powers, weaknesses, his supporting cast and the world he operates in. The fact that the movie doesn't serve his origin on a platter incentivizes a child to go out on their own and learn more about the character via the comic books where he originated. Doing homework isn't an inherently bad thing - especially when it comes to kids. There is no right or wrong way for a child to get introduced to a superhero. Did you start reading from Amazing Spider-man number one when you got introduced to the character? This "argument" doesn't hold much water. I don't think a lot of these so called "Fans" ever read a comic book... |
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 12, 2017 16:06:08 GMT
I would argue that Spider-Man: Homecoming works as an excellent introduction to the character for children and preteens. Homecoming displays all of the things that draw a child or preteen into a superhero's world, it show Peter's personality, motivations, powers, weaknesses, his supporting cast and the world he operates in. The fact that the movie doesn't serve his origin on a platter incentivizes a child to go out on their own and learn more about the character via the comic books where he originated. Doing homework isn't an inherently bad thing - especially when it comes to kids. There is no right or wrong way for a child to get introduced to a superhero. Did you start reading from Amazing Spider-man number one when you got introduced to the character? This "argument" doesn't hold much water. I don't think a lot of these so called "Fans" ever read a comic book... I'll admit I never read any of the comics. But then again I love the MCU for what it is, and don't bitch constantly. On the rare occasion I might have a question, I just ask those of you who have read them. |
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jul 12, 2017 16:10:22 GMT
I would argue that Spider-Man: Homecoming works as an excellent introduction to the character for children and preteens. Homecoming displays all of the things that draw a child or preteen into a superhero's world, it show Peter's personality, motivations, powers, weaknesses, his supporting cast and the world he operates in. The fact that the movie doesn't serve his origin on a platter incentivizes a child to go out on their own and learn more about the character via the comic books where he originated. Doing homework isn't an inherently bad thing - especially when it comes to kids. There is no right or wrong way for a child to get introduced to a superhero. Did you start reading from Amazing Spider-man number one when you got introduced to the character? This "argument" doesn't hold much water. I don't think a lot of these so called "Fans" ever read a comic book... I don't think so either and honestly, that's fine - it's their loss. My problem with that attitude is that so many non-comic book readers try to pass themselves off as experts who are imminently qualified to dictate what the films should be like to the rest of us. SaveSave |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:25:29 GMT
I don't think a lot of these so called "Fans" ever read a comic book... I don't think so either and honestly, that's fine - it's their loss. My problem with that attitude is that so many non-comic book readers try to pass themselves off as experts who are imminently qualified to dictate what the films should be like to the rest of us. SaveSaveI always assume people know what they are talking about, but some of them have "problems" that are not problems at all. Like this thread, for instance. I never knew a kid that didn't know spider-man was bit by a spider or that superman is an alien. I do know some kids that don't know that Thor was an asgardian or that there is something called the green lantern corps. But the Big ones? pffft |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 16:37:10 GMT
Since the Raimi trilogy is not that good I would say that they should watch ASM1 first. Wow! You have no taste. Huh? I recently re-watched the Raimi trilogy. Its the same novie three times. The female lead is nothing but an empty bra-less screamqueen. Maquire's performance is wooden and he is too much of a cry baby. The movies aren't funny. There is no real depth. I always loved the Raimi trilogy but was very dissapointed upon my re-watch. ASM1 was much much better. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jul 12, 2017 17:08:20 GMT
Huh? I recently re-watched the Raimi trilogy. Its the same novie three times. The female lead is nothing but an empty bra-less screamqueen. Maquire's performance is wooden and he is too much of a cry baby. The movies aren't funny. There is no real depth. I always loved the Raimi trilogy but was very dissapointed upon my re-watch. ASM1 was much much better. No. ASM1 and 2 were dreadful movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 17:10:47 GMT
Huh? I recently re-watched the Raimi trilogy. Its the same novie three times. The female lead is nothing but an empty bra-less screamqueen. Maquire's performance is wooden and he is too much of a cry baby. The movies aren't funny. There is no real depth. I always loved the Raimi trilogy but was very dissapointed upon my re-watch. ASM1 was much much better. No. ASM1 and 2 were dreadful movies. Lets agree to disagree. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 12, 2017 18:24:13 GMT
I like that they did that. Wish DC would do that with Batman and Superman. Force you to do homework? What homework? Spidey, Bats and supes origins are well known, especially in popculture. Why do we need to see the same old bullshit over and over again. I have no problem with marvel trying something different. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 12, 2017 18:33:12 GMT
It didn't need to be an origin story (and I'm glad it wasn't), but they don't even touch on some of the Spider-Man essentials. How'd he get his powers? Why does he even want to be a hero? There's a throwaway line about him getting bit by a spider, but that's not self explanatory. If you're a kid who wants to get into Spider-Man, you better do your homework before Homecoming. Shame. I thought you were better than that, Marvel. Spider-man TAS. They didn't give his origin except for a small flashback that was basically "I got bit by a spider". Same as we got in the movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 18:56:32 GMT
Force you to do homework? What homework? Spidey, Bats and supes origins are well known, especially in popculture. Why do we need to see the same old bullshit over and over again. I have no problem with marvel trying something different. I'm very specifically talking about how you need to have a basic knowledge of Spider-Man (you need to take Spider-Man 101) before you can fully appreciate this movie as a NEW fan. If this is your first exposure to Spider-Man, you'll be missing some of the MAJOR essentials regarding the character. Thus, it's not a good "first experience" for a kid who wants to get into the character (as stated in the OP). You miss important stuff. You might be able to enjoy the kiddie jokes and the color explosions, but Homecoming doesn't give you any insights into how Spider-Man came to be (which includes what motivates him). |
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Post by Jerk on Jul 12, 2017 19:07:02 GMT
When he's old enough my kids first Spider-Man experience will be a comic book.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 12, 2017 19:16:59 GMT
I can understand brand loyalty but Marvel is just a name--the creators of the characters are either dead or not involved with the films at all.
You don't have to be a slave in praising it (unless you are getting paid to--if so, can you tell us your pay rates).
The executives do not deserve your loyalty.
But specifically on topic, one doesn't need an origin story every time.
In ye olden days with super heroes they never showed origins. Not with Batman, or Superman serials etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 19:17:32 GMT
What homework? Spidey, Bats and supes origins are well known, especially in popculture. Why do we need to see the same old bullshit over and over again. I have no problem with marvel trying something different. I'm very specifically talking about how you need to have a basic knowledge of Spider-Man (you need to take Spider-Man 101) before you can fully appreciate this movie as a NEW fan. If this is your first exposure to Spider-Man, you'll be missing some of the MAJOR essentials regarding the character. Thus, it's not a good "first experience" for a kid who wants to get into the character (as stated in the OP). You miss important stuff. You might be able to enjoy the kiddie jokes and the color explosions, but Homecoming doesn't give you any insights into how Spider-Man came to be (which includes what motivates him). You are very specifically talking about you being an asshole, that's what you are very specifically talking about. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 12, 2017 19:40:07 GMT
What homework? Spidey, Bats and supes origins are well known, especially in popculture. Why do we need to see the same old bullshit over and over again. I have no problem with marvel trying something different. I'm very specifically talking about how you need to have a basic knowledge of Spider-Man (you need to take Spider-Man 101) before you can fully appreciate this movie as a NEW fan. If this is your first exposure to Spider-Man, you'll be missing some of the MAJOR essentials regarding the character. Thus, it's not a good "first experience" for a kid who wants to get into the character (as stated in the OP). You miss important stuff. You might be able to enjoy the kiddie jokes and the color explosions, but Homecoming doesn't give you any insights into how Spider-Man came to be (which includes what motivates him). No, you don't. Small kids don't need an origin story. By the time they are about 10 they already know how to look up any info they want on the internet. You're being silly. |
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