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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:43:53 GMT
Civil War says Avengers was 4 years ago. Homecoming (2 months after CW) says it was 8 years ago.
It's a big fat error. Marvel has a juicy egg on their face. Time to get over it, Marveltards.
This dingleberry wasted his time.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 19, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
That's actually a great point about Ross's line. He says they've been operating for four years without supervision; he doesn't say they've been operating with no supervision from the beginning. It gets fuzzy the longer you look at it though. And the video doesn't even address the tv shows (which reference each other and the films) which would probably screw things up even more. Individual films have continuity errors all the time, it's hardly surprising that a franchise as massive as the MCU would run into this problem eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:04:39 GMT
That's actually a great point about Ross's line. He says they've been operating for four years without supervision; he doesn't say they've been operating with no supervision from the beginning. It gets fuzzy the longer you look at it though. And the video doesn't even address the tv shows (which reference each other and the films) which would probably screw things up even more. Individual films have continuity errors all the time, it's hardly surprising that a franchise as massive as the MCU would run into this problem eventually. The context of that scene makes it clear that he's saying that the Avengers have NEVER had proper supervision in the FOUR years that they've been operating. He includes New York in that. They'd have left that part out if they were only talking about the stuff that happened after TWS. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 19, 2017 16:17:57 GMT
That's actually a great point about Ross's line. He says they've been operating for four years without supervision; he doesn't say they've been operating with no supervision from the beginning. It gets fuzzy the longer you look at it though. And the video doesn't even address the tv shows (which reference each other and the films) which would probably screw things up even more. Individual films have continuity errors all the time, it's hardly surprising that a franchise as massive as the MCU would run into this problem eventually. The context of that scene makes it clear that he's saying that the Avengers have NEVER had proper supervision in the FOUR years that they've been operating. He includes New York in that. They'd have left that part out if they were only talking about the stuff that happened after TWS. Sounds more like Ross was being hyperbolic to make a point - and exploiting their emotions to make them submit. If they never had oversight then what the hell was Fury and SHIELD? He brought the team together. That's the sort of thing a supervisor does! Do you even remember the beginning of The Winter Soldier? Two avengers on a SHIELD sanctioned mission. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 19, 2017 16:57:21 GMT
Watched the first 90 seconds of the video and could immediately see that the timeline that idiot MCU fan wasted his time making up is just as big a FUCK-UP as the "8 Years Later" FUCK-UP. The idiot MCU fan retcons MCU to say that The Avengers took place in 2009 (and also retcons Captain America: The First Avenger to say that it ended in 2009). MAJOR FUCK-UP!
Never mind any BS about what Mickey Rourke watching a video of Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 or about what Civil War says. Just look at Captain America: The First Avenger and you can see that the timeline in the video and the "8 Years Later" are both MAJOR FUCK-UPs!
In Captain America: The First Avenger, Steve Rogers and several other young men are trying to sign up for the Army to go fight the Nazis. At the end of the movie, Steve Rogers wakes up and runs out of the building into Times Square and Nick Fury tells him that he's been asleep for 70 years.
World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter World War II until after Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941. That means the scenes of Steve Rogers and the other young men signing up for the Army to go fight the Nazis didn't happen until December 1941 at the earliest. DO THE MATH! 1941 + 70 years = 2011.
So Steve Rogers didn't wake up in Captain America: The First Avenger until around December 2011 (give or take a 6 months) at the earliest. That means The Avengers takes place no sooner than the end of 2011 and more likely in 2012 (the time that the movie was actually released). So Civil War takes place 4 years later (in 2016) and SMH takes place 5 years later (in 2017), not 8 years later as the movie says. MAJOR FUCK-UP!
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Post by zoilus on Jul 19, 2017 17:04:45 GMT
World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter World War II until after Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941. That means the scenes of Steve Rogers and the other young men signing up for the Army to go fight the Nazis didn't happen until December 1941 at the earliest. DO THE MATH! 1941 + 70 years = 2011.
LOL there is this math thing you don't know about, it's called rounding. Anyway, we all know you actually love Marvel and just do these posts for attention. You see the movies as soon as they come out. You watch all the Netflix shows. This is the behavior of someone who enjoys Marvel. You're not fooling anyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:07:33 GMT
The context of that scene makes it clear that he's saying that the Avengers have NEVER had proper supervision in the FOUR years that they've been operating. He includes New York in that. They'd have left that part out if they were only talking about the stuff that happened after TWS. Sounds more like Ross was being hyperbolic to make a point - and exploiting their emotions to make them submit. If they never had oversight then what the hell was Fury and SHIELD? He brought the team together. That's the sort of thing a supervisor does! Do you even remember the beginning of The Winter Soldier? Two avengers on a SHIELD sanctioned mission. There's nothing hyperbolic about that scene. He's claiming that they've been operating without governmental supervision, and he includes what happened in New York in that. SHIELD didn't work for the government. SHIELD was in independent international intelligence agency. They weren't accountable to the governments of the world. They were like the Federal Reserve (in terms of agency, not function). So it was still a private operation. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 19, 2017 17:14:49 GMT
Civil War says Avengers was 4 years ago. Homecoming (2 months after CW) says it was 8 years ago. It's a big fat error. Marvel has a juicy egg on their face. Time to get over it, Marveltards. This dingleberry wasted his time. The uploader did admit some details( Provided in the films themselves and by those working on them) were sketchy, but provided a very solid interpretation of the timeline for the majority of the video that does line things up with the whole "eight years" thing. They did not waste their time, they made a strong effort, and one I think most could get behind instead of admitting "defeat" like you'd wish all fans of the MCU would do. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 19, 2017 17:17:58 GMT
There's nothing hyperbolic about that scene. Yes there is. He's asking them to do something he wants them to do - sign the accords. You don't get what you want by telling the truth. He's claiming that they've been operating without governmental supervision, and he includes what happened in New York in that. They had supervision. Fury, SHIELD, the World Security Council (Basically NATO or UN). He included Loki's invasion to make them feel guilty, so he could more likely manipulate them into giving him what he wanted. Anyway, you're a silly ass troll, this debate will not be as thorough as you wish. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 19, 2017 17:21:22 GMT
Watched the first 90 seconds of the video and could immediately see that the timeline that idiot MCU fan wasted his time making up is just as big a FUCK-UP as the "8 Years Later" FUCK-UP. The idiot MCU fan retcons MCU to say that The Avengers took place in 2009 (and also retcons Captain America: The First Avenger to say that it ended in 2009). MAJOR FUCK-UP!Never mind any BS about what Mickey Rourke watching a video of Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 or about what Civil War says. Just look at Captain America: The First Avenger and you can see that the timeline in the video and the "8 Years Later" are both MAJOR FUCK-UPs!In Captain America: The First Avenger, Steve Rogers and several other young men are trying to sign up for the Army to go fight the Nazis. At the end of the movie, Steve Rogers wakes up and runs out of the building into Times Square and Nick Fury tells him that he's been asleep for 70 years. World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter World War II until after Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941. That means the scenes of Steve Rogers and the other young men signing up for the Army to go fight the Nazis didn't happen until December 1941 at the earliest. DO THE MATH! 1941 + 70 years = 2011.
So Steve Rogers didn't wake up in Captain America: The First Avenger until around December 2011 (give or take a 6 months) at the earliest. That means The Avengers takes place no sooner than the end of 2011 and more likely in 2012 (the time that the movie was actually released). So Civil War takes place 4 years later (in 2016) and SMH takes place 5 years later (in 2017), not 8 years later as the movie says. MAJOR FUCK-UP!Quit using exclamation points, and having the majority of your post in bold print, you are writing on the internet - people can read you just fine. Secondly, the uploader didn't suggest their interpretation of the timeline was the right one and admitted areas were sketchy, they were not calling others out and saying they were fools if they thought it was a plot hole, they just provided an explanation - no differently than how you like to interpret Lex Luthor creating Doomsday to be a re-interpretation of a Greek myth. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:25:05 GMT
Watched the first 90 seconds of the video and could immediately see that the timeline that idiot MCU fan wasted his time making up is just as big a FUCK-UP as the "8 Years Later" FUCK-UP. The idiot MCU fan retcons MCU to say that The Avengers took place in 2009 (and also retcons Captain America: The First Avenger to say that it ended in 2009). MAJOR FUCK-UP!Never mind any BS about what Mickey Rourke watching a video of Tony Stark in Iron Man 2 or about what Civil War says. Just look at Captain America: The First Avenger and you can see that the timeline in the video and the "8 Years Later" are both MAJOR FUCK-UPs!In Captain America: The First Avenger, Steve Rogers and several other young men are trying to sign up for the Army to go fight the Nazis. At the end of the movie, Steve Rogers wakes up and runs out of the building into Times Square and Nick Fury tells him that he's been asleep for 70 years. World War II started in 1939, but the US didn't enter World War II until after Pearl Harbor was bombed in 1941. That means the scenes of Steve Rogers and the other young men signing up for the Army to go fight the Nazis didn't happen until December 1941 at the earliest. DO THE MATH! 1941 + 70 years = 2011.
So Steve Rogers didn't wake up in Captain America: The First Avenger until around December 2011 (give or take a 6 months) at the earliest. That means The Avengers takes place no sooner than the end of 2011 and more likely in 2012 (the time that the movie was actually released). So Civil War takes place 4 years later (in 2016) and SMH takes place 5 years later (in 2017), not 8 years later as the movie says. MAJOR FUCK-UP!Quit using exclamation points, and having the majority of your post in bold print, you are writing on the internet - people can read you just fine. Secondly, the uploader didn't suggest their interpretation of the timeline was the right one and admitted areas were sketchy, they were not calling others out and saying they were fools if they thought it was a plot hole, they just provided an explanation - no differently than how you like to interpret Lex Luthor creating Doomsday to be a re-interpretation of a Greek myth. Well, said. Until Marvel Studios releases an official timeline for the series, we as fans can really only guess based on what we've seen. There is strong evidence throughout the whole series to say that real time and movie time are not perfectly matching up. And of course there are those presently unknown "consequences" of Doctor Strange mucking about with time in the last act of his movie. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 19, 2017 17:28:47 GMT
Honestly, it's not that bad. It seems kind of dumb right now, but the timeline has never been an integral part of the plot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:31:46 GMT
Civil War says Avengers was 4 years ago. Homecoming (2 months after CW) says it was 8 years ago. well its hard to argue with that! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:46:03 GMT
There's nothing hyperbolic about that scene. Yes there is. He's asking them to do something he wants them to do - sign the accords. You don't get what you want by telling the truth. He's claiming that they've been operating without governmental supervision, and he includes what happened in New York in that. They had supervision. Fury, SHIELD, the World Security Council (Basically NATO or UN). He included Loki's invasion to make them feel guilty, so he could more likely manipulate them into giving him what he wanted. Anyway, you're a silly ass troll, this debate will not be as thorough as you wish. SHIELD was supervision, but not GOVERNMENTAL supervision (which is what Ross was talking about). SHIELD was not like NATO or the UN. It was its own separate thing. It's not accountable to the UN or to any world government. I'm glad you've found a theory to latch onto that makes this glaring failure make sense to you, but it doesn't change the reality that it's still a retcon. Marvel fucked-up. No one interpreted Ross's "4 years" statement to mean anything OTHER than the beginning of the Avengers until Marvel majorly fucked up the timeline. Now everyone is scrambling to make sense of it, instead of just admitting that they goofed and have egg all over their face. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:47:33 GMT
Civil War says Avengers was 4 years ago. Homecoming (2 months after CW) says it was 8 years ago. It's a big fat error. Marvel has a juicy egg on their face. Time to get over it, Marveltards. This dingleberry wasted his time. The uploader did admit some details( Provided in the films themselves and by those working on them) were sketchy, but provided a very solid interpretation of the timeline for the majority of the video that does line things up with the whole "eight years" thing. They did not waste their time, they made a strong effort, and one I think most could get behind instead of admitting "defeat" like you'd wish all fans of the MCU would do. As I told the other poster... I'm glad you've found a theory to latch onto that makes this glaring failure make sense to you, but it doesn't change the reality that it's still a retcon. Marvel fucked-up. No one interpreted Ross's "4 years" statement to mean anything OTHER than the beginning of the Avengers until Marvel majorly fucked up the timeline. Now everyone is scrambling to make sense of it, instead of just admitting that they goofed and have egg all over their face. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 19, 2017 17:48:08 GMT
No one interpreted Ross's "4 years" statement to mean anything OTHER Now everyone is scrambling to make sense of it, instead of just admitting that they goofed and have egg all over their face. 'No one'? Now you use your own hyperbole.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:49:05 GMT
No one interpreted Ross's "4 years" statement to mean anything OTHER Now everyone is scrambling to make sense of it, instead of just admitting that they goofed and have egg all over their face. 'No one'? Now you use your own hyperbole. No one did, Marveltard. We both know it. That's why it was invented with this dopey video that you all are desperately latching onto. |
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Post by zoilus on Jul 19, 2017 18:02:08 GMT
'No one'? Now you use your own hyperbole. No one did, Marveltard. We both know it. That's why it was invented with this dopey video that you all are desperately latching onto. It makes much more sense to interpret them as having had no supervision since the fall of SHIELD, and since then many characters believe Fury (Avengers supervisor) to be dead. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 19, 2017 18:11:07 GMT
Yes there is. He's asking them to do something he wants them to do - sign the accords. You don't get what you want by telling the truth. They had supervision. Fury, SHIELD, the World Security Council (Basically NATO or UN). He included Loki's invasion to make them feel guilty, so he could more likely manipulate them into giving him what he wanted. Anyway, you're a silly ass troll, this debate will not be as thorough as you wish. SHIELD was supervision, but not GOVERNMENTAL supervision (which is what Ross was talking about). SHIELD was not like NATO or the UN. It was its own separate thing. It's not accountable to the UN or to any world government. I'm glad you've found a theory to latch onto that makes this glaring failure make sense to you, but it doesn't change the reality that it's still a retcon. Marvel fucked-up. No one interpreted Ross's "4 years" statement to mean anything OTHER than the beginning of the Avengers until Marvel majorly fucked up the timeline. Now everyone is scrambling to make sense of it, instead of just admitting that they goofed and have egg all over their face. The World Security Council is governmental supervision, as he pointed out. SHIELD answers to them. He also pointed out that two Avengers were on a SHIELD mission together in The Winter Soldier, which was less than four years real time before Civil War. By no means does this video resolve the error-- the guy who uploaded it even admits as much. It's just a fan theory. Maybe Marvel will address this issue, maybe they won't. Honestly it isn't a big deal to me one way or the other; if anything I was more confused by where Doctor Strange fits into the timeline. I thought there were continuity errors in that flick regarding the MCU timeline but I'd have to watch it again. |
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