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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 1:03:58 GMT
I think everyone can agree barry bonds and lance armstrong were much bigger cheaters than brady. Bonds never won a championship so he doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History". Brady won 3 Super Bowls by cheating with SpyGate and won 1 Super Bowl by cheating with DeflateGate. Armstrong won 7 Tour de France races by doping. Johnson won the 100-meter sprint final and set a then world record at the 1988 Olympics by using steroids. And Ruiz won the Boston Marathon by using the subway during the race. Brady, Armstrong, Johnson, and Ruiz are all candidates for "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because they all won championships by cheating. Bonds doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because Bonds never won a championship.
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Post by marsexplorer on Feb 28, 2017 1:39:23 GMT
I think everyone can agree barry bonds and lance armstrong were much bigger cheaters than brady. Bonds never won a championship so he doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History". Brady won 3 Super Bowls by cheating with SpyGate and won 1 Super Bowl by cheating with DeflateGate. Armstrong won 7 Tour de France races by doping. Johnson won the 100-meter sprint final and set a then world record at the 1988 Olympics by using steroids. And Ruiz won the Boston Marathon by using the subway during the race. Brady, Armstrong, Johnson, and Ruiz are all candidates for "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because they all won championships by cheating. Bonds doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because Bonds never won a championship. I think we got it the first time.
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Post by Aj_June on Feb 28, 2017 1:41:28 GMT
Armstrong. That many people had emotions attached to him because of non-sports reason further contributes to his case.
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Post by Toy-Cannon on Feb 28, 2017 6:30:38 GMT
He used to hide thumb tacks in his glove . And grease under his cap. He cheated for 20 years and everyone just laughed it off.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 28, 2017 12:16:25 GMT
Lance is #1 because of his overall level of douche-osity associated with his cheating, but I can't believe you didn't have Barry Bonds on there. Bonds never won a championship so he doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History".
Brady won 3 Super Bowls by cheating with SpyGate and won 1 Super Bowl by cheating with DeflateGate.
Armstrong won 7 Tour de France races by doping.
Johnson won the 100-meter sprint final and set a then world record at the 1988 Olympics by using steroids.
And Ruiz won the Boston Marathon by using the subway during the race.
Brady, Armstrong, Johnson, and Ruiz are all candidates for "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because they all won championships by cheating. Bonds doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because Bonds never won a championship.
He won home run records/titles you fucking moron.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Feb 28, 2017 12:19:47 GMT
Everyone except Brady! Anne Hathaway Fan, you have convinced me that Brady is the GOAT in football! Congratulations!
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 16:07:10 GMT
Bonds never won a championship so he doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History". Brady won 3 Super Bowls by cheating with SpyGate and won 1 Super Bowl by cheating with DeflateGate. Armstrong won 7 Tour de France races by doping. Johnson won the 100-meter sprint final and set a then world record at the 1988 Olympics by using steroids. And Ruiz won the Boston Marathon by using the subway during the race. Brady, Armstrong, Johnson, and Ruiz are all candidates for "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because they all won championships by cheating. Bonds doesn't qualify for the title of "Biggest Cheater in Sports History" because Bonds never won a championship. I think we got it the first time. I know you got it the 1st time, but most Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. For example, when I explained that the Patriots' comeback wasn't the result of the Patriots playing better but simply the result of the Patriots being extremely lucky on 3 pivotal plays and being lucky on the OT coin toss, you understood that right away but Patriots' fans couldn't understand that. 1 dumb Patriots' fan even made the dumb claim that the Patriots "put themselves in position to be lucky".
Did you ever find out from that dumb Patriots' fan how someone "puts themselves in position to be lucky"? Because I sure would like to know how to put myself in position to pick the winning lottery numbers. Am I buying my lottery tickets from the wrong machine? Is it just a matter of buying my lottery tickets from a different machine? How do I put myself in position to know which machine is a "lucky" machine to buy lottery tickets from?
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Post by Courwes on Feb 28, 2017 16:40:23 GMT
I think we got it the first time. I know you got it the 1st time, but most Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. For example, when I explained that the Patriots' comeback wasn't the result of the Patriots playing better but simply the result of the Patriots being extremely lucky on 3 pivotal plays and being lucky on the OT coin toss, you understood that right away but Patriots' fans couldn't understand that. 1 dumb Patriots' fan even made the dumb claim that the Patriots "put themselves in position to be lucky".
Did you ever find out from that dumb Patriots' fan how someone "puts themselves in position to be lucky"? Because I sure would like to know how to put myself in position to pick the winning lottery numbers. Am I buying my lottery tickets from the wrong machine? Is it just a matter of buying my lottery tickets from a different machine? How do I put myself in position to know which machine is a "lucky" machine to buy lottery tickets from?
This is seriously some of the dumbest shit I have every read. You're seriously saying the last 3 Pats drive plus their OT drive were all luck. Sure they got lucky that Shanahan decided to pass and not run but they still had to win the game after that. Other than the one turnover (which was skill and a missed assignment, not luck) they still had to drive down the field to score and had to convert 2 two-point conversions. The Falcons just got outplayed at the end of the game. Stop being so salty, you sound ridiculous.
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Post by zoilus on Feb 28, 2017 16:51:00 GMT
I know you got it the 1st time, but most Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. For example, when I explained that the Patriots' comeback wasn't the result of the Patriots playing better but simply the result of the Patriots being extremely lucky on 3 pivotal plays and being lucky on the OT coin toss, you understood that right away but Patriots' fans couldn't understand that. 1 dumb Patriots' fan even made the dumb claim that the Patriots "put themselves in position to be lucky".
Did you ever find out from that dumb Patriots' fan how someone "puts themselves in position to be lucky"? Because I sure would like to know how to put myself in position to pick the winning lottery numbers. Am I buying my lottery tickets from the wrong machine? Is it just a matter of buying my lottery tickets from a different machine? How do I put myself in position to know which machine is a "lucky" machine to buy lottery tickets from?
LOL. Luck. Yeah, Brady and Belichick just lucked themselves into being the greatest QB and coach in history through their long and consistently successful careers. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 17:10:12 GMT
I know you got it the 1st time, but most Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. For example, when I explained that the Patriots' comeback wasn't the result of the Patriots playing better but simply the result of the Patriots being extremely lucky on 3 pivotal plays and being lucky on the OT coin toss, you understood that right away but Patriots' fans couldn't understand that. 1 dumb Patriots' fan even made the dumb claim that the Patriots "put themselves in position to be lucky".
Did you ever find out from that dumb Patriots' fan how someone "puts themselves in position to be lucky"? Because I sure would like to know how to put myself in position to pick the winning lottery numbers. Am I buying my lottery tickets from the wrong machine? Is it just a matter of buying my lottery tickets from a different machine? How do I put myself in position to know which machine is a "lucky" machine to buy lottery tickets from?
This is seriously some of the dumbest shit I have every read. You're seriously saying the last 3 Pats drive plus their OT drive were all luck. Sure they got lucky that Shanahan decided to pass and not run but they still had to win the game after that. Other than the one turnover (which was skill and a missed assignment, not luck) they still had to drive down the field to score and had to convert 2 two-point conversions. The Falcons just got outplayed at the end of the game. Stop being so salty, you sound ridiculous. Yes, it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when Brady's pass into traffic was tipped straight into the air and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Bennett was lucky enough to be standing directly under where the tipped ball come down and caught it.
And it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when another pass by Brady into traffic was deflected and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Edelman makes a lucky catch.
And it was pure luck that on a play in which multiple penalties occurred (including an obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots), the refs not only miss the obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots but call the ONLY penalty that miraculously moved the Falcons out of FG range and miraculously took away the Falcons' chance to kick a FG that would've put the game away late in the 4th quarter.
If all 3 of those plays didn't happen in the Patriots' favor, then the Patriots don't win. And all 3 of those plays weren't the result of the Patriots playing better. All 3 of those plays were clearly the result of the Patriots simply being extremely lucky.
Add in the fact that the Patriots winning the OT coin toss was also not the result of the Patriots playing better but the result of the Patriots being lucky. It's simple to understand, but once again your failure to understand such a simple concept further proves that I'm 100% right about Patriots' fans being slow at getting things.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 17:11:31 GMT
I know you got it the 1st time, but most Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. For example, when I explained that the Patriots' comeback wasn't the result of the Patriots playing better but simply the result of the Patriots being extremely lucky on 3 pivotal plays and being lucky on the OT coin toss, you understood that right away but Patriots' fans couldn't understand that. 1 dumb Patriots' fan even made the dumb claim that the Patriots "put themselves in position to be lucky".
Did you ever find out from that dumb Patriots' fan how someone "puts themselves in position to be lucky"? Because I sure would like to know how to put myself in position to pick the winning lottery numbers. Am I buying my lottery tickets from the wrong machine? Is it just a matter of buying my lottery tickets from a different machine? How do I put myself in position to know which machine is a "lucky" machine to buy lottery tickets from?
LOL. Luck. Yeah, Brady and Belichick just lucked themselves into being the greatest QB and coach in history through their long and consistently successful careers. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Brady and Belichick did it by cheating throughout their careers. And getting extremely lucky.
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Post by zoilus on Feb 28, 2017 17:14:18 GMT
Brady and Belichick did it by cheating throughout their careers. And getting extremely lucky.
Only biased loons like you think they cheated. Everyone else knows they were better post-spygate (and that filming and stealing signals is legal anyway), and that their footballs were the appropriate pressures for the weather. Go ahead and cite Marlow, whose rubber stamp was clearly bought as he approved of demonstrably fraudulent experiments.
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Post by Courwes on Feb 28, 2017 17:19:03 GMT
This is seriously some of the dumbest shit I have every read. You're seriously saying the last 3 Pats drive plus their OT drive were all luck. Sure they got lucky that Shanahan decided to pass and not run but they still had to win the game after that. Other than the one turnover (which was skill and a missed assignment, not luck) they still had to drive down the field to score and had to convert 2 two-point conversions. The Falcons just got outplayed at the end of the game. Stop being so salty, you sound ridiculous. Yes, it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when Brady's pass into traffic was tipped straight into the air and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Bennett was lucky enough to be standing directly under where the tipped ball come down and caught it.
And it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when another pass by Brady into traffic was deflected and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Edelman makes a lucky catch.
And it was pure luck that on a play in which multiple penalties occurred (including an obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots), the refs not only miss the obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots but call the ONLY penalty that miraculously moved the Falcons out of FG range and miraculously took away the Falcons' chance to kick a FG that would've put the game away late in the 4th quarter.
If all 3 of those plays didn't happen in the Patriots' favor, then the Patriots don't win. And all 3 of those plays weren't the result of the Patriots playing better. All 3 of those plays were clearly the result of the Patriots simply being extremely lucky.
Add in the fact that the Patriots winning the OT coin toss was also not the result of the Patriots playing better but the result of the Patriots being lucky. It's simple to understand, but once again your failure to understand such a simple concept further proves that I'm 100% right about Patriots' fans being slow at getting things.
And yet they still had to make the other plays to score. No one is slow at getting things. You just look pathetic trying to come up with excuses. You act like the ball not being intercepted automatically gave them 6 points.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 17:23:15 GMT
Brady and Belichick did it by cheating throughout their careers. And getting extremely lucky.
Only biased loons like you think they cheated. Everyone else knows they were better post-spygate (and that filming and stealing signals is legal anyway), and that their footballs were the appropriate pressures for the weather. Go ahead and cite Marlow, whose rubber stamp was clearly bought as he approved of demonstrably fraudulent experiments. Nope. The whole country outside of New England knows that Brady and Belichick are cheaters.
Filming and stealing signals is legal ONLY IF DONE IN A LEGAL MANNER. BRADY AND BELICHICK DID IT IN AN ILLEGAL MANNEER, WHICH IS CHEATING.
The Patriots footballs were under the legal limit and Professor Marlow (the most qualified physicist on the planet) confirmed that the deflation was due to a combination of weather AND human tampering.
Judge Denny Chin also rubber stamped the evidence against Brady. Was Judge Denny Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has no affiliation with the NFL and who took an oath to review evidence objectively and without bias) also brought? Once again, YOU LOSE.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 17:27:42 GMT
Yes, it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when Brady's pass into traffic was tipped straight into the air and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Bennett was lucky enough to be standing directly under where the tipped ball come down and caught it.
And it was pure luck (not the Patriots playing better) that when another pass by Brady into traffic was deflected and should've been intercepted, not only was the pass not intercepted but Edelman makes a lucky catch.
And it was pure luck that on a play in which multiple penalties occurred (including an obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots), the refs not only miss the obvious facemask penalty against the Patriots but call the ONLY penalty that miraculously moved the Falcons out of FG range and miraculously took away the Falcons' chance to kick a FG that would've put the game away late in the 4th quarter.
If all 3 of those plays didn't happen in the Patriots' favor, then the Patriots don't win. And all 3 of those plays weren't the result of the Patriots playing better. All 3 of those plays were clearly the result of the Patriots simply being extremely lucky.
Add in the fact that the Patriots winning the OT coin toss was also not the result of the Patriots playing better but the result of the Patriots being lucky. It's simple to understand, but once again your failure to understand such a simple concept further proves that I'm 100% right about Patriots' fans being slow at getting things.
And yet they still had to make the other plays to score. No one is slow at getting things. You just look pathetic trying to come up with excuses. You act like the ball not being intercepted automatically gave them 6 points. Once again, you've proven that Patriots' fans are slow at getting things. The ball not being intercepted AND being caught by a Patriots receiver who was lucky to be where the ball fell after being deflected gave the Patriots a 1st down, which kept the drive alive and allowed the Patriots to score those 6 points. Had either (not necessarily both, but just either 1) of those 2 passes into traffic that had been tipped been intercepted like they should've been, then the Patriots don't get the 6 points on that drive and don't win. I KNOW YOU PATRIOTS' FANS ARE SLOW AT GETTING THINGS, BUT WHAT IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO GET ABOUT THAT?
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Post by zoilus on Feb 28, 2017 17:34:16 GMT
Really? Fans of teams other than the Patriots think they're cheaters? Imagine that! Sour grapes. You're also grossly overestimating the number of people that think that.
LOL HYPERBOLE! He rubber stamped Exponent's demonstrably fraudulent experiments. Wet and dry footballs don't warm at the same rate. Seems he didn't even know that. Seems he also didn't realize that for the Master/Exemplar gauge to determine Anderson was wrong about using the logo gauge would require precise internal temperatures of the footballs pre-game to go along with precise pressure values (which also weren't recorded).
LOL RED LETTERS! If there is no advantage, then it doesn't qualify as cheating now does it? Result of stealing signals is the same, no matter how it's reached.
Appeal to authority fallacy. I might as well say CHIEF JUDGE KATZMANN DISSENTED AND SAYS CHIN IS WRONG! See? It's not that convincing is it?
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 19:05:30 GMT
Really? Fans of teams other than the Patriots think they're cheaters? Not just fans of other teams. Judge Denny Chin (an unbiased federal appellate court judge who has no affiliation with the NFL and who took an oath to review evidence objectively and without bias) also said that Brady is a cheater. Nope. It's not hyperbole. When the highly-respected Ivy League university that Albert Einstein (the most brilliant physicist in history) was a resident scholar of makes you the Chairman of their Department of Physics, then you're clearly the most qualified physicist on the planet. There was a significant advantage. If there was no advantage, then why did Belichick continue to violate the rules and risk getting caught for 6+ seasons? The reason Belichcik continued to violate the rules and risk getting caught for 6+ seasons was because the Patriots gained a sigificant advantage from their illegal videotaping, as proven by the 3 Super Bowls they won by cheating with SpyGate.
I might as well say CHIEF JUDGE KATZMANN DISSENTED AND SAYS CHIN IS WRONG! See? It's not that convincing is it? Katzmann was on the losing side so what Katzmann said is irrelevant. Judge Chin was part of the majority so only Judge Chin's opinion is a valid one. When a similar future case comes in court, the lawyers aren't going to cite Katzmann's opinion because Katzmann's opinion was a losing opinion. They're only going to cite what Judge Chin said because Judge Chin was part of the majority so oly Judge Chin's opinion is a valid one.
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Post by zoilus on Feb 28, 2017 19:24:19 GMT
I already took down Chin. He only ruled on Goodell's authority, not evidence, and will not question the opinion of an expert witness when it comes to science.
Already took down Marlow. He rubber stamped Exponent's demonstrably fraudulent experiments. He has no credibility. You're using an appeal to authority fallacy because you don't know what you're talking about, because you're wrong, and because you hate the Patriots.
Filming from the sideline was a league-wide practice for years. Ray Anderson's memo said to stop, but since he misquoted the official rules, Belichick ignored it. The rule is an arbitrary technicality. Even Jimmy Johnson did it, and he said "I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us." LOL you're in a pickle now aren't you? Did Belichick do it because it helped, or was Jimmy Johnson right in saying it didn't help? Do you love JJ more than you hate BB? Let's find out!
Oh but he's the CHIEF judge, that makes his authority greater! That's your kind of logic isn't it? 'Marlow is from the university that Einstein blah blah, therefore he's the best!' You're just using a combination of appeal to authority and appeal to popularity fallacies.
All of this arguing about intellectual authority is secondary. Exponent's experiments were demonstrably fraudulent. They faked the science. This is clear. Wet and dry footballs do not warm at the same rate. This is very simple. You need to address that before you can go on about how great Marlow is.
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Post by DC-Fan on Feb 28, 2017 20:34:11 GMT
No, you didn't. Who won the DeflateGate case? That's right, the NFL won. And Judge Chin was part of the majority that ruled in favor of the NFL. He only ruled on Goodell's authority, not evidence Judge chin said on the record in open court that "THE EVIDENCE OF BALL TAMPERING IS COMPELLING". So it's pretty clear that Judge Chin felt that there was plenty of evidence proving that Brady cheated. will not question the opinion of an expert witness when it comes to science. Judges don't question the expert witnesses. The opposing side's lawyers question the expert witnesses. Judges listen to the questions from opposing side's lawyers and listen to the answers from the witnesses and then make a judgment based on those questions and answers whether the witness is credible or not. In this case, Brady's lawyers argued against Professor Marlow's analsyis. Judge Chin read the briefs submitted by Brady's lawyers and heard the arguments put forth by Brady's lawyers against Professor Marlow's analysis and concluded that Professor Marlow's analysis is sound and Brady's lawyers didn't have a sufficient argument to debunk Professor Marlow's analysis. Its no different than when a D.A. makes an argument to a judge to try to get a search warrant. The judge listens to the argument and may decide that the D.A. didn't have a sufficient argument for probable cause. Likewise, in the case of DeflateGate, Judge Chin listened to the arguments from Brady's lawyers and decided that they didn't have a sufficient argument against Professor Marlow's analysis. Already took down Marlow. No you didn't. The highly-respected Ivy League university that Albet Einstein (the most brillant physicist in history) was a resident scholar of made Professor Marlow the Chairman of their Department of Physics so NO ONE is more qualified than Professor Marlow to speak on the phyics of DeflateGate. You claim that Professor Marlow isn't the most qualified. So who else is more qualified than the former Chairman of the Department of Physics at the highly-respected Ivy League university that Albert Einstein (the most brillant physicist in history) was a resident scholar of? Filming from the sideline was a league-wide practice for years. Another BS excuse without any proof at all that it was a league-wide practice. Johnson filmed from the coaches booth. Johnson was asked point blank where his camera guy filmed from and Johnson specifically sai his camera guy was up in the coaches booth. Filming from the coaches booth (like Johnson did) isn't against the rules and isn't cheating. Filming from the sidelines (like Belichick did) is against the rules and is cheating. Did Belichick do it because it helped, or was Jimmy Johnson right in saying it didn't help? It didn't help Johnson because Johnson filmed from the coaches booth (which isn't against the rules and thus isn't cheating), not the sidelines (which is against the rules and is cheating). It helped Belichick because Belichick filmed from the sidelines (which is against the rules and is cheating). That's why Belichick continued to violate the rules and risk getting caught for 6+ seasons - because the advantage he gained from the illegal filming was significant enough to overweigh the risk of getting caught. And that's also why the NFL prohibited filming from the sidelines but didn't prohibit filming from the coaches booth - because filming from the sidelines provided a significant advantage over just filming from the coaches booth. he's the CHIEF judge, that makes his authority greater! That makes his administrative duties greater. He gets to set the agenda for weekly meetings when the judges review petitions to decide which cases to hear and he gets to assign who writes the majority opinion if he's part of the marjority. But when it comes to voting on cases, he has no more power than any other judge. His vote still counts as only 1 vote. And in the case of DeflateGate, Katzmann's lone vote was a losing vote, which makes Katzmann's opinion on DeflateGate worthless. All of this arguing about intellectual authority is secondary. Exponent's experiments were demonstrably fraudulent. They faked the science. This is clear. Wet and dry footballs do not warm at the same rate. This is very simple. You need to address that before you can go on about how great Marlow is. No, I don't need toa ddress anything because Professor Marlow and Judge Chin have already spoken. You dumb Patriots' fans have been clinging to the excuse that there was bias against Brady. But we have 2 independent and unbaised sources (Professor Marlow and Judge Chin) who have confirmed that there is plenty of evidence proving that Brady cheated. Like Judge Chin said on the record in open court, "THE EVIDENCE OF BALL TAMPERING IS COMPELLING". So this is very simple. There was no bias, no witchhunt, and no conspiracy. Brady cheated and got caught cheating.
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Post by zoilus on Feb 28, 2017 20:58:38 GMT
Re: deflategate. (no need to systematically quote a bunch of different nonsense)
Everything you're saying boils down to two fallacious statements; 1. Judge Chin said so 2. Marlow said so
They're both the appeal to authority fallacy. They both have the same problem; they're reliant on Exponent's appendix in The Wells report. Two (at least) of Exponent's experiments are demonstrably fraudulent.
One experiment's graph shows a wet football and a dry football warming at the same rate. They do not. Wet footballs warm more slowly, due to the water insulating the ball and evaporative cooling. That means this experiment was either performed very shoddily or the data was forged.
The other is the Master/Exemplar gauge experiment which sought to determine if Walt Anderson used the logo gauge or the non-logo gauge pre-game. This experiment would require precise temperature and pressure values from the pre-game measurements. None of that data exists, so that experiment could not possibly have accurately made the reached conclusion that Anderson probably used the non-logo gauge. In short, that experiment was garbage. It's also interesting to note that this experiment hinges on the accuracy of Jastremski's gauge, which was last known to be in the possession of NFL exec James Daniel, when he used it to thrice measure the ball intercepted by D'Qwell Jackson. Then it mysteriously went missing...
This is just two blatant mistakes. I can't imagine what mistakes have been made that are not so obvious... that they made two such obvious errors indicates either incompetence or bias. That Marlow approves of their methodology shows he's either incompetent or biased. That Chin thinks such evidence is compelling or overwhelming illustrates how little he knows about science.
If you want to continue citing them, you first have to address Exponent's errors, because your entire argument is built on the foundation of the Wells Report. And it's a shitty foundation upon which to build.
LOL wrong. JJ said "This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn't think it helped us." Notice his use of the word 'exactly.' That
You also keep making the mistake that 'breaking a rule = cheating' which isn't so. Cheating means there is an advantage. If there is no advantage, then the action isn't cheating. The result is the same, the signals are stolen, regardless of how they're stolen.
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