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Post by ctown28 on Mar 2, 2017 1:18:34 GMT
If Johnson wasn't able to have his guys in the pressbox and he had his guys filming from the sidelines, then he would've just said "Sometimes my guys filmed from the press box and sometimes my guys filmed from the sidelines." But Johnson only said "My guy was up with my camera crew in the press box" and NEVER said his guy filmed from the sidelines EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ASKED POINT-BLANK "Where’d you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?" So it's pretty clear from Johnson's exact answer to the question of "Where’d you put your guy who was videotaping? Where was he?" that Johnson only filmed from the press box (which isn't against the rules and isn't cheating) and NEVER filmed from the sidelines (which is against the rules and is cheating) like Belicheat did. And we can't assume from a conditional or hypothetical statement that it ever happened, since we know that Flacco's conditional or hypothetical statement telling his teammates to break the rules NEVER resulted in any actual breaking of the rules. Flaccos comments came prior to something that may or may not happen. Johnsons comments came after the fact. Why would he state that he did the EXACTLY same thing if he had never previously filmed from the sidelines before. Yes, he normally had his guy I the press box, unless there was a crew there, in which case he sent them to the sidelines. It's clear to any logical person on the planet, but thenagain, look who I'm dealing with. You came making the same argument over and over gym and when new things are brought into the discussion, you just repeat the same tired argument.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 2, 2017 1:24:56 GMT
sg;iojhse;gilusheropgiluhserogilpuhsefglksjdhfglkdsjfhgjdf Let's hear your comic book movie predictions for 2017. I believe last year you had "Captain America: Civil War will not make $1 billion" "Batman v Superman will be the highest grossing comic book movie ever (until Justice League)" "Doctor Strange - a November movie about a character no one knows or cares about - will bomb"
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 2, 2017 2:45:56 GMT
Flaccos comments came prior to something that may or may not happen. Johnsons comments came after the fact. Doesn't matter if the comments came before or after something happened. If it's preceded by an "IF", then it's a conditional or hypothetical situation and we can't assume that it ever happened.
There are many times when I've invested in a stock and later said "IF I had known the stock would perform so well, I would've bought a lot of shares". Those were comments about something that came after the fact, but nevertheless they were comments about a conditional/hypothetical situation, which never actually happened (I didn't know the stock would perform so well so I didn't buy the stock).
Same with Johnson's statement. Johnson's statement was clearly about a conditional/hypothetical situation that never actually happened (just like Flacco's statement about a conditional/hypothetical situation never actually happened. That's why when Johnson was asked point-blank where his camera guy filmed from, Johnson specifically said that his camera guy filmed from the press box and Johnson never even mentioned anything at all about filming from the sidelines. Because that nothing but a comment about a conditional/hypothetical situation that never actually happened.
It's clear to any logical person on the planet, but thenagain, look who I'm dealing with. It's clear to any logical person that Brady ordered Jim "The Deflator" McNally to deflate the footballs for Brady to use in games. But then again, look who I'm dealing with. You threw a hissy fit because the Giants' punishment for using walkie-talkies in a regular season game on a few plays in which they didn't score any points wasn't as severe as the Patriots' punishment for Brady using illegally-tampered footballs in an AFC Championship Game for an entire half in which they built a double-digit lead by cheating. You never did answer the question if you think that a shoplifter who steals $100 worth of merchandise from Macy's should get the same punishment that Bernie Madoff got for scamming thousands of people out of bilions of dollars (150 years in prison). when new things are brought into the discussion, you just repeat the same tired argument. You haven't brought anything new into the discussion. You've just repeated the same old excuses that you did before and that I've already debunked before.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 2, 2017 4:10:52 GMT
You're the only one here dumb enough to think JJ didn't film from the sideline even though he said "That's when you need to do it from the sideline." and "this is exactly how I was told to do it."
LOLOL except there isn't a single communication about tampering with footballs. There isn't a single communication about anyone wanting pressure below the legal limit. There aren't any communications between Brady and McNally. There ARE texts from Jastremski to his then-fiancee after a Pats/Jets game saying 1. Brady complained the footballs were too hard. 2. The footballs were almost 16 psig. 3. The footballs were "supposed to be 13"
So to sum up, there's 0 evidence of a conspiracy, and there is evidence of intent to follow the rules. Not to mention the only scientists who think deflation occurred are ones hired by Goodell, the former Jets employee, who had a shitty year of being soft and incompetent. But sure, keep telling yourself it's clear to any logical person that Brady gave an order.
And you repeat the same ol logical fallacies, even after having it pointed out to you that you're using such fallacies. You keep citing Marlow even through his credibility is shite after propping up demonstrably fraudulent science.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 2, 2017 17:15:38 GMT
But he did menion filming from the sidelines, he talked about it when their were people in the press box. Thats where the erm EXACT same thing came from
I wasn't talking about Deflategate, I was talking about Spygate, which was a first offense just like the Giants situation was a first offense. Therefire your question is irrelevant. Both are first offenses and it is impossible to tell which is a bigger advantage, if any at all, therefore the punishments should be queal and not so disproportinate.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 2, 2017 17:53:22 GMT
No, the punishments shouldn't be equal. As I explained on another thread, the Giants didn't have a premeditated intent to cheat and only decided on the spurt-of-the-moment to use the walkie-talkies on a few plays when their regular communications weren't working. By contrast, in the case of SpyGate, the Patriots clearly had a premeditated intent to cheat.
It's like the difference between voluntary manslaughter and 1st-degree murder. A guy goes to a bar, has a few drinks, gets into an argument with another guy, they fight, he punches the guy, the guy falls and hits his head on the edge of a table and cracks his skull and dies. The guy who killed him didn't go to the bar with the premeditated intent to kill anyone. By contrast, Aaron Hernandez, the Unabomber, the Boston Marathon bombers, Timothy McVeigh, and the guy who killed several people in a Colorado movie theater during a showing of The Dark Knight Rises all had a premeditated intent to kill people. That's 1st-degree murder.
The guy who killed someone in a spontaneous bar fight would be charged with a lesser crime and receive a lesser punishment than Aaron Hernandez, the Unabomber, the Boston Marathon bombers, Timothy McVeigh, and the Colorado movie theater shooter. Likewise, the Giants should receive a lesser punishment for their spur-of-the-moment rules violation than the Patriots for their premeditated intentional rules violation. The Commissioner did the right thing and handed out the appropriate punishment to the Giants.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Mar 2, 2017 19:45:51 GMT
The correct answer is Lance Armstrong. Anything else is just false.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 2, 2017 22:55:25 GMT
So why did they even have the walkie talkies that could operate as a two radio if they never planned to use them?
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Post by zoilus on Mar 2, 2017 23:07:10 GMT
So why did they even have the walkie talkies that could operate as a two radio if they never planned to use them? Good question. Can't wait for his cockamamie response. Also, he hasn't responded to my last 3 posts. Seems he has surrendered to me.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 3, 2017 4:48:29 GMT
So why did they even have the walkie talkies that could operate as a two radio if they never planned to use them? So you have a report of the findings from the NFL's investigation? Because if you don't, then how do you know the Giants brought walkie-talkies to the game or that the walkie-talkies were even theirs?
When I go to a ball game, the stadium ushers often have walkie-talkies to communicate with other ushers or communicate with their supervisors. It could've been that when the Giants' communications weren't working, they wanted a quick solution to the problem and someone suggested that they borrow some walkie-talkies from the stadium ushers.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 3, 2017 5:18:03 GMT
So why did they even have the walkie talkies that could operate as a two radio if they never planned to use them? So you have a report of the findings from the NFL's investigation? Because if you don't, then how do you know the Giants brought walkie-talkies to the game or that the walkie-talkies were even theirs?
When I go to a ball game, the stadium ushers often have walkie-talkies to communicate with other ushers or communicate with their supervisors. It could've been that when the Giants' communications weren't working, they wanted a quick solution to the problem and someone suggested that they borrow some walkie-talkies from the stadium ushers.
Really? That's what you come up With? The Giants borrowed the walkie talkies from the ushers? I can see that happening. Hey, what happens when they run out of Gatorade or water or it all gets spilled? Do they send someone into the stands and buy it from the vendors? Maybe the NFL needs to be more transparent with their findings so we can't jump to a logical conclusion like they brought them and didn't borrow them from Stadium personnel.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Mar 3, 2017 6:44:32 GMT
When I'm feeling nostalgic for the IMDb sports board, I can just click on this thread and it brings it all back.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 3, 2017 7:29:25 GMT
Lance Armstrong
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 4, 2017 5:18:47 GMT
The Giants borrowed the walkie talkies from the ushers? Makes more sense than the excuse by dumb Patriots fans that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight. Maybe the NFL needs to be more transparent with their findings It's an internal NFL matter so they shouldn't have to publish it. If Google monitored their employees' Internet usage and disciplined several employees for inappropriate use of the Internet while at work, they don't need to publish that this specific employee was going to porn sites and that specific employee was going to online gambling sites. Those are internal company matters and the disciplinary actions are internal company matters. Same with the NFL investigations on rules violations. Those are internal company matters. That's why incompetent Berman got slapped down by the higher court. The PSI limit on footballs is an NFL rule and thus the rules violation is an internal NFL matter and it should be the NFL Commissioner and not an incompetent judge who decides what the appropriate punishment for violation of an NFL rule should be.
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Post by zoilus on Mar 4, 2017 5:36:23 GMT
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Post by hairybuttcheeks on Mar 4, 2017 5:57:47 GMT
Wow, people here sure are giving ah FAN what he wants
For the new people here: DC fan is a troll from the old board. He has admitted he likes trolling to get a rise out of people. He is just a midget ginger (for real, we know this) that likes to annoy people. stop feeding this midget misfit!
stop arguing with him because he isn't serious.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 4, 2017 8:04:42 GMT
The Giants borrowed the walkie talkies from the ushers? Makes more sense than the excuse by dumb Patriots fans that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight. Maybe the NFL needs to be more transparent with their findings It's an internal NFL matter so they shouldn't have to publish it. If Google monitored their employees' Internet usage and disciplined several employees for inappropriate use of the Internet while at work, they don't need to publish that this specific employee was going to porn sites and that specific employee was going to online gambling sites. Those are internal company matters and the disciplinary actions are internal company matters. Same with the NFL investigations on rules violations. Those are internal company matters. That's why incompetent Berman got slapped down by the higher court. The PSI limit on footballs is an NFL rule and thus the rules violation is an internal NFL matter and it should be the NFL Commissioner and not an incompetent judge who decides what the appropriate punishment for violation of an NFL rule should be. Wow, you are ready pushing the bounds of stupidity here. MI'll one of people aren't watching Google employees break company rules, much less gambling on it. The NFL opened the can of worms about making public the punishments. The corrupt commissioner specifically said he would be transparent but when it was time to release the results of the psi levels after they were actually recorded, he reneged and just said said no violations were found. If no violations were found, release the findings.
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Post by SportsFan19 on Mar 4, 2017 11:42:44 GMT
Am I the only one who just scrolls 95% of what Anne Hathaway_Fan says? Who has time to dedicate to reading the same thing over and over, let along respond to them? Maybe I'm biased because it's mostly about the NFL, a league I don't follow at all. Or maybe it's therapeutic for some?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 4, 2017 17:43:27 GMT
Makes more sense than the excuse by dumb Patriots fans that Jim "The Deflator" McNally called himself "The Deflator" because he was trying to lose weight. It's an internal NFL matter so they shouldn't have to publish it. If Google monitored their employees' Internet usage and disciplined several employees for inappropriate use of the Internet while at work, they don't need to publish that this specific employee was going to porn sites and that specific employee was going to online gambling sites. Those are internal company matters and the disciplinary actions are internal company matters. Same with the NFL investigations on rules violations. Those are internal company matters. That's why incompetent Berman got slapped down by the higher court. The PSI limit on footballs is an NFL rule and thus the rules violation is an internal NFL matter and it should be the NFL Commissioner and not an incompetent judge who decides what the appropriate punishment for violation of an NFL rule should be. Wow, you are ready pushing the bounds of stupidity here. MI'll one of people aren't watching Google employees break company rules, much less gambling on it. The NFL opened the can of worms about making public the punishments. The corrupt commissioner specifically said he would be transparent but when it was time to release the results of the psi levels after they were actually recorded, he reneged and just said said no violations were found. If no violations were found, release the findings. The NFL did release the findings. They said no violations were found. That is a finding - no violations were found.
And it doesn't matter how many people are watching. The whole country followed the O.J. trial. The finding from the jury was Not Guilty. Did the court release a transcript or videotape of the jury deliberations? Did the court have each jury member step in front of a camera and tell the millions of people watching why they voted Not Guilty?
Nope. They just said Not Guilty and that's the only finding the public needed to know. Same with the PSI levels. The NFL said there were no violations and that's the only finding the public needs to know.
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Post by ctown28 on Mar 4, 2017 20:30:26 GMT
The NFL did release the findings. They said no violations were found. That is a finding - no violations were found.
And it doesn't matter how many people are watching. The whole country followed the O.J. trial. The finding from the jury was Not Guilty. Did the court release a transcript or videotape of the jury deliberations? Did the court have each jury member step in front of a camera and tell the millions of people watching why they voted Not Guilty?
Nope. They just said Not Guilty and that's the only finding the public needed to know. Same with the PSI levels. The NFL said there were no violations and that's the only finding the public needs to know.
And you continue to push the bounds of stupidity. You see, in the OJ trial, we all knew what the jury knew. We saw the evidence. The reasonable doubt. The way the prosecution botched the case. What the NFL is doing is not showing any of the evidence and saying to take their word for it. Did the prosecution make their case by simply saying "He's guilty and we have the evidence to prove it, but we aren't going to show it, just take our word for it. Of course not, just like the defense didn't plead that he is not guilty and to take their word for it. The showed actuall evidence to make their case. So if there are no violations found, why doesn't the NFL show the actual evidence? I'll tell you why, because the actual evidence shows a nattural deflation of footballs in cold weather.
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