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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 13:27:43 GMT
I hear a fair amount of those "it makes a billion easy" type of comments, but those just remind me of when the same exact thing was said about BVS, and that movie didn't come close to a billion, ending at $873.
So, the question is, what does Justice League have going for it that BVS didn't?
- It isn't the first time Clark, Bruce, and Diana have been in the same shot, so it doesn't have that. - Are Flash and Aquaman supposed to add $127 billion? Why? - WW was good yes so it does have that, but even though MOS wasn't, it's not like that movie was so bad that it ruined the potential of BVS. - BVS was also all on it's own. Thor 3 will also be out and with a lot of buzz around it. There will be people who only see one, and there will be people who choose Thor as that one, so that is a real factor. - Not to mention there are far more major films out this year than in the BVS/CW year, counting some films people might be waiting on in December, and people do make decisions on which to see. While JL might be considered must see for some people, it's not for others who only see so many films a year. - Then there is the overall poor reputation of DC.
So it may get to a billion, but to sum up, BVS come up well short even without competition while JL does have competition, we've already seen the first meeting of most of these characters so there isn't much new factor, Flash and Aquaman aren't established or significant draws, and the only positive buzz for DC has been WW which they hope overshadows the poor reception of the rest of the DCU.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 7, 2017 14:39:03 GMT
I hear a fair amount of those "it makes a billion easy" type of comments, but those just remind me of when the same exact thing was said about BVS, and that movie didn't come close to a billion, ending at $873.
So, the question is, what does Justice League have going for it that BVS didn't?
- It isn't the first time Clark, Bruce, and Diana have been in the same shot, so it doesn't have that. - Are Flash and Aquaman supposed to add $127 billion? Why? - WW was good yes so it does have that, but even though MOS wasn't, it's not like that movie was so bad that it ruined the potential of BVS. - BVS was also all on it's own. Thor 3 will also be out and with a lot of buzz around it. There will be people who only see one, and there will be people who choose Thor as that one, so that is a real factor. - Not to mention there are far more major films out this year than in the BVS/CW year, counting some films people might be waiting on in December, and people do make decisions on which to see. While JL might be considered must see for some people, it's not for others who only see so many films a year. - Then there is the overall poor reputation of DC.
So it may get to a billion, but to sum up, BVS come up well short even without competition while JL does have competition, we've already seen the first meeting of most of these characters so there isn't much new factor, Flash and Aquaman aren't established or significant draws, and the only positive buzz for DC has been WW which they hope overshadows the poor reception of the rest of the DCU.
So how does it get to a billion? The sad thing is, when you think about it, it really only made $573.3 million since it still has to make its budget first before you can really start a profit. I don't usually measure the success of a movie by how much money it makes as there are great movies out there that have flopped before. But a film like Justice League should make over a billion, but if it doesn't, it then DC needs to reevaluate their plan for future films |
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Post by scabab on Aug 7, 2017 15:13:08 GMT
It's profit was considerably less than that. Only half its gross even goes back to the studio and then you have to take off the budget from that.
Justice League could make a billion but would not be surprised at all if it doesn't. If it wasn't for Wonder Woman doing so well I'd have definitely have said it would make less than a billion.
It's got a chance now but before it could easily have done worse than BvS.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 15:50:25 GMT
The sad thing is, when you think about it, it really only made $573.3 million since it still has to make its budget first before you can really start a profit. I don't usually measure the success of a movie by how much money it makes as there are great movies out there that have flopped before. But a film like Justice League should make over a billion, but if it doesn't, it then DC needs to reevaluate their plan for future films It should, but BVS should have too. My only point is that it didn't and I'm not sure what about Justice League makes a significant difference. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 15:52:24 GMT
It's profit was considerably less than that. Only half its gross even goes back to the studio and then you have to take off the budget from that. Justice League could make a billion but would not be surprised at all if it doesn't. If it wasn't for Wonder Woman doing so well I'd have definitely have said it would make less than a billion. It's got a chance now but before it could easily have done worse than BvS. I agree that WW gives it a chance, so we're talking about moving from 873 to 1000. Does WW's success, Flash and Aquaman really add 127 million when JL is competing with Thor and BVS had no competition at all? |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 7, 2017 16:04:12 GMT
All this talk about profit is just stupid. No one measures profit except the studio execs. If it makes it to $1 billion, then the job is done.
I couldn't care less what the studio raked in for profits.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 16:41:26 GMT
All this talk about profit is just stupid. No one measures profit except the studio execs. If it makes it to $1 billion, then the job is done. I couldn't care less what the studio raked in for profits. I agree. The box office is a reflection of how many people saw it, and the conversation about how much the studio spent on the film has nothing to do with gauging the interest level. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 16:42:48 GMT
It's profit was considerably less than that. Only half its gross even goes back to the studio and then you have to take off the budget from that. Justice League could make a billion but would not be surprised at all if it doesn't. If it wasn't for Wonder Woman doing so well I'd have definitely have said it would make less than a billion. It's got a chance now but before it could easily have done worse than BvS. Profit isn't what the question is about. Box office is more about how many people saw it.
Truthfully I'd rather ask about total ticket sales.
But either way the budget of the film has nothing to do with the question being asked here.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2017 17:08:37 GMT
I hear a fair amount of those "it makes a billion easy" type of comments, but those just remind me of when the same exact thing was said about BVS, and that movie didn't come close to a billion, ending at $873.
So, the question is, what does Justice League have going for it that BVS didn't?
- It isn't the first time Clark, Bruce, and Diana have been in the same shot, so it doesn't have that. - Are Flash and Aquaman supposed to add $127 billion? Why? - WW was good yes so it does have that, but even though MOS wasn't, it's not like that movie was so bad that it ruined the potential of BVS. - BVS was also all on it's own. Thor 3 will also be out and with a lot of buzz around it. There will be people who only see one, and there will be people who choose Thor as that one, so that is a real factor. - Not to mention there are far more major films out this year than in the BVS/CW year, counting some films people might be waiting on in December, and people do make decisions on which to see. While JL might be considered must see for some people, it's not for others who only see so many films a year. - Then there is the overall poor reputation of DC.
So it may get to a billion, but to sum up, BVS come up well short even without competition while JL does have competition, we've already seen the first meeting of most of these characters so there isn't much new factor, Flash and Aquaman aren't established or significant draws, and the only positive buzz for DC has been WW which they hope overshadows the poor reception of the rest of the DCU.
So how does it get to a billion? Easy. Justice League will have something that no other superhero movie except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put Justice League over $1 billion. |
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Post by scabab on Aug 7, 2017 17:48:55 GMT
It's profit was considerably less than that. Only half its gross even goes back to the studio and then you have to take off the budget from that. Justice League could make a billion but would not be surprised at all if it doesn't. If it wasn't for Wonder Woman doing so well I'd have definitely have said it would make less than a billion. It's got a chance now but before it could easily have done worse than BvS. I agree that WW gives it a chance, so we're talking about moving from 873 to 1000. Does WW's success, Flash and Aquaman really add 127 million when JL is competing with Thor and BVS had no competition at all? It also needs to make up for the crap that was Batman vs Superman and how many people disliked that movie. People probably don't give too much of a shit about Aquaman's and Cyborg. The villain isn't getting anyone interested either. It could also very well be crap again like Batman vs Superman. So it won't be easy, it might do it thanks to Wonder Woman and that's about it. It obviously won't touch Avengers level numbers though. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2017 17:55:41 GMT
I agree that WW gives it a chance, so we're talking about moving from 873 to 1000. Does WW's success, Flash and Aquaman really add 127 million when JL is competing with Thor and BVS had no competition at all? It also needs to make up for the crap that was Batman vs Superman and how many people disliked that movie. People probably don't give too much of a shit about Aquaman's and Cyborg. The villain isn't getting anyone interested either. It could also very well be crap again like Batman vs Superman. So it won't be easy, it might do it thanks to Wonder Woman and that's about it. It obviously won't touch Avengers level numbers though. will probably pass The Avengers box office because Justice League will have something that no other superhero movie except Wonder Woman had. |
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Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 7, 2017 18:26:08 GMT
It also needs to make up for the crap that was Batman vs Superman and how many people disliked that movie. People probably don't give too much of a shit about Aquaman's and Cyborg. The villain isn't getting anyone interested either. It could also very well be crap again like Batman vs Superman. So it won't be easy, it might do it thanks to Wonder Woman and that's about it. It obviously won't touch Avengers level numbers though. will probably pass The Avengers box office because Justice League will have something that no other superhero movie except Wonder Woman had. There's no way it passes The Avengers in the Box Office. It would have to be an absolute masterpiece for that to happen, and even then it would be a colossal undertaking and achievement if it somehow did. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2017 19:02:08 GMT
Justice League will probably pass The Avengers box office because Justice League will have something that no other superhero movie except Wonder Woman had. There's no way it passes The Avengers in the Box Office. will easily pass The Avengers at the box office. Like I said in my previous post, Justice League has something that no other CBM except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put it over The Avengers. |
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 7, 2017 20:24:35 GMT
There's no way it passes The Avengers in the Box Office. will easily pass The Avengers at the box office. Like I said in my previous post, Justice League has something that no other CBM except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put it over The Avengers. okay, i'll bite. what is this magical component? |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 7, 2017 20:50:15 GMT
There's no way it passes The Avengers in the Box Office. will easily pass The Avengers at the box office. Like I said in my previous post, Justice League has something that no other CBM except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put it over The Avengers. And what is it that Wonder Woman and Justice League have that other superhero film don't have?? |
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Post by scabab on Aug 7, 2017 21:23:49 GMT
Justice League has zero chance if outgross get either Avengers movie.
It's unlikely that it will outgross Civil War even. That said it could be the biggest DCEU movie to date, $900 million is impressive enough.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 7, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
Justice League has zero chance if outgross get either Avengers movie. It's unlikely that it will outgross Civil War even. That said it could be the biggest DCEU movie to date, $900 million is impressive enough. will easily pass The Avengers at the box office. Like I said above, Justice League has something that no other CBM except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put it over The Avengers. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 7, 2017 21:52:35 GMT
Justice League has zero chance if outgross get either Avengers movie. It's unlikely that it will outgross Civil War even. That said it could be the biggest DCEU movie to date, $900 million is impressive enough. will easily pass The Avengers at the box office. Like I said above, Justice League has something that no other CBM except Wonder Woman had. And that's what's going to put it over The Avengers. And what is it that they have that no superhero film has? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 7, 2017 21:54:28 GMT
I agree that WW gives it a chance, so we're talking about moving from 873 to 1000. Does WW's success, Flash and Aquaman really add 127 million when JL is competing with Thor and BVS had no competition at all? It also needs to make up for the crap that was Batman vs Superman and how many people disliked that movie. People probably don't give too much of a shit about Aquaman's and Cyborg. The villain isn't getting anyone interested either. It could also very well be crap again like Batman vs Superman. So it won't be easy, it might do it thanks to Wonder Woman and that's about it. It obviously won't touch Avengers level numbers though. Avengers was an event movie. That was must see. It was a landmark film. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:21:34 GMT
It also needs to make up for the crap that was Batman vs Superman and how many people disliked that movie. People probably don't give too much of a shit about Aquaman's and Cyborg. The villain isn't getting anyone interested either. It could also very well be crap again like Batman vs Superman. So it won't be easy, it might do it thanks to Wonder Woman and that's about it. It obviously won't touch Avengers level numbers though. Avengers was an event movie. That was must see. It was a landmark film. It ( The Avengers (2012)) was also literally the first film to ever do what it did with superheroes by bringing multiple characters from different film franchises together in its shared universe for a team-up. Now we've had four major blockbusters that've done that ( Avengers, Age of Ultron, Batman v Superman, and Civil War). The luster and newness of it has long worn off. No matter how you slice it, Justice League has an uphill battle. |
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