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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 14, 2017 17:42:40 GMT
So, they are like comic books. Wow, that's interesting. speak for yourself, I find bad writing neither interesting nor do I see merit in obtuse generalizations. Wow, interestingly Cap 2 was better written. And wow, WW tackled a similar war premise in a satisfying way, showing the horrors of war in not trivialized, tasteless or dumbed down way. But one man's trash is another one's treasure. Everybody likes the entertainment he deserves. I remember turning off the movie when that ray gun nonsense came up. Never finished First Avenger. How anyone beyond an intelligence age of eight can find this stuff entertaining, is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:42:58 GMT
nah, you are straw man-ing and misrepresenting without any nuance. Showing full-fledged laser gun battles in a film with a serious/realistic tone like Cap1 is one thing.
"An army which carries the Ark before it is invincible." Giving the Nazi baddies some motivational background in the dialogue (!) is another thing. And it would not be an idiotic laser battle in the time of holocaust and shoa, it just would be like carrying the Holy Lance - as happened in the middle age battles to ensure victory. That was exactly the Nazi thing who were obsessed with middle age artefacts...
Lets not even discuss the great Good-Guy-becomes-Good-Guy-BEEFCAKE!!!-arc, or the Hail-Hydra embarrassment or Red Skull guy or the cute shoot-in-leg "humor"...still, admittedly, Cap1 was a masterpiece compared to the raccoon turd movies...nuance, samy,all a matter of nuance...
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Cap isn't a realistic film, never tried to be or said that it was. Doesn't mean it can't be serious. They gave the Red Skull motivational background, when Erskine talked about powers left behind by Gods on Earth. And we knew from Thor that he was right. And yes, if the Nazis gained the Ark and used it to shoot out power of God and stuff, it would be the same as laser battling. As for Rocket Raccoon, you have to get over your shame of actual comic book stuff instead of that bankrupt "grounded" approach that nearly ruined comics. DC bringing back Trevor? I just have to look at their track record. Not to mention the Nazis in real life actually did waste a lot of time and resources looking for mystical artifacts to give them an edge in the war. The only different is that in films like Indiana Jones, Hellboy, Captain America, and an untold number of others fantasy/Sci-Fi films, those artifacts actually do things.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:43:27 GMT
Yeah, the 1990s crop of action directors haven't really moved on yet. Remember John McTiernan saying the same thing some while ago? Eh, it's just professional envy. Exactly. These guys just have to accept that they have to change their approach because of the changing cinematic climate.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Aug 14, 2017 17:44:44 GMT
Critics didn't "mostly dislike" Valerian. There are more positive reviews than negative. You're right. It's too close though.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 14, 2017 17:54:09 GMT
So, they are like comic books. Wow, that's interesting. speak for yourself, I find bad writing neither interesting nor do I see merit in obtuse generalizations. Wow, interestingly Cap 2 was better written. And wow, WW tackled a similar war premise in a satisfying way, showing the horrors of war in not trivialized, tasteless or dumbed down way. But one man's trash is another one's treasure. Everybody likes the entertainment he deserves. I would agree with wonder woman if not for Ares being the whisperer of horrendous acts. It makes a guy like Hitler have in his defense that he was maybe influenced by an entity so it's not entirely his fault that he acted like he did. He would still be evil, but maybe wouldn't have the idea of gassing millions of people. The idea is borderline insulting for those who suffered at the hands of truly evil people. They don't need no God to be their Muse. The writers try to cover this up with no they were always evil I just have them a push in the right direction, wich barely saves the premise. All the third act of wonder woman was utter garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:05:09 GMT
speak for yourself, I find bad writing neither interesting nor do I see merit in obtuse generalizations. Wow, interestingly Cap 2 was better written. And wow, WW tackled a similar war premise in a satisfying way, showing the horrors of war in not trivialized, tasteless or dumbed down way. But one man's trash is another one's treasure. Everybody likes the entertainment he deserves. I would agree with wonder woman if not for Ares being the whisperer of horrendous acts. It makes a guy like Hitler have in his defense that he was maybe influenced by an entity so it's not entirely his fault that he acted like he did. He would still be evil, but maybe wouldn't have the idea of gassing millions of people. The idea is borderline insulting for those who suffered at the hands of truly evil people. They don't need no God to be their Muse. The writers try to cover this up with no they were always evil I just have them a push in the right direction, wich barely saves the premise. All the third act of wonder woman was utter garbage. Just block him. He knows he's speaking nonsense, but he'll never pass up the chance to rattle some Marvel fan cages if you let him.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 14, 2017 18:14:56 GMT
I would agree with wonder woman if not for Ares being the whisperer of horrendous acts. It makes a guy like Hitler have in his defense that he was maybe influenced by an entity so it's not entirely his fault that he acted like he did. He would still be evil, but maybe wouldn't have the idea of gassing millions of people. The idea is borderline insulting for those who suffered at the hands of truly evil people. They don't need no God to be their Muse. The writers try to cover this up with no they were always evil I just have them a push in the right direction, wich barely saves the premise. All the third act of wonder woman was utter garbage. Just block him. He knows he's speaking nonsense, but he'll never pass up the chance to rattle some Marvel fan cages if you let him. I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:24:16 GMT
Just block him. He knows he's speaking nonsense, but he'll never pass up the chance to rattle some Marvel fan cages if you let him. I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth. Believe me, I know. Everything he's whined about pertaining to the first Captain America film applies to the original Indiana Jones trilogy. The fact he's inadvertently called Indiana Jones films crap is just delicious.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 14, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth. Believe me, I know. Everything he's whined about pertaining to the first Captain America film applies to the original Indiana Jones trilogy. The fact he's inadvertently called Indiana Jones films crap is just delicious. lol, I know right. They just shoot themselves in the foot Everytime. One amusing one is dc-fan. That guy is the master of getting himself cornered. -Wonder woman best reviewed sh movie of all time in RT. -sure but doesn't that mean that all the other DCEU movies are garbage with rotten reviews? Either you acknowledge all of them or non at all. -*crickets* So funny.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 14, 2017 18:33:51 GMT
So, they are like comic books. Wow, that's interesting. It's really too bad he feels this way since when his direction is switched to the "on" position, Luc Besson does have the right style and energy needed to propel a superhero movie. Especially considering he spent over 200 million dollars of someone else's money making a movie off the wrong comic book.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 14, 2017 18:52:15 GMT
Critics didn't "mostly dislike" Valerian. There are more positive reviews than negative. Eh. If you consider "Well it's really stupid and the actors suck and it's dull beyond belief but it looks really cool." as a positive review then.......yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:56:18 GMT
Believe me, I know. Everything he's whined about pertaining to the first Captain America film applies to the original Indiana Jones trilogy. The fact he's inadvertently called Indiana Jones films crap is just delicious. lol, I know right. They just shoot themselves in the foot Everytime. One amusing one is dc-fan. That guy is the master of getting himself cornered. -Wonder woman best reviewed sh movie of all time in RT. -sure but doesn't that mean that all the other DCEU movies are garbage with rotten reviews? Either you acknowledge all of them or non at all. -*crickets* So funny. He's an idiot who fancies himself a poet (Tristan). He also tries to act like he knows anything about William Shakespeare when his knowledge has proven itself to be rudimentary at best. He actually tried to claim "A Midsummer Night's Dream" is a completely original story one time, disregarding all the centuries-worth of tales about fairies messing with people's heads that preceded it.
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Post by TheHiawatha on Aug 14, 2017 19:06:30 GMT
I'm curious as to what he means by "propaganda"? The basic message behind each of the CA films has been: be a good person no matter how hard it is. Yeah, I never got a propaganda vibe from those films. Heck, in Civil War, Captain America ends up rejecting America's wishes and becomes a fugitive in order to finally clear Bucky's name.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 19:10:48 GMT
I'm curious as to what he means by "propaganda"? The basic message behind each of the CA films has been: be a good person no matter how hard it is. Yeah, I never got a propaganda vibe from those films. Heck, in Civil War, Captain America ends up rejecting America's wishes and becomes a fugitive in order to finally clear Bucky's name. And The Winter Soldier film is basically one big back-handed slap across the face of real life modern America. It's very sad how that a film which could basically be renamed George Orwell's 1984, Starring Captain America is so relevant to the U.S. today.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 19:11:40 GMT
I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth. Believe me, I know. Everything he's whined about pertaining to the first Captain America film applies to the original Indiana Jones trilogy. The fact he's inadvertently called Indiana Jones films crap is just delicious. awww, please show me on the anatomically correct Captain America doll where Tristan has hurt you so? You know, instead of pouting and putting you head in the sand you could at least answer some outstanding questions: - Were is the proof for your claim that alien intelligence cannot exist because the existence of "alien germ life was already proven"!? - Were is the source for your claim that Shakespeare never wrote an original thing, despite him being the author of original plays like Midsummer, Merry Wives of Winsor, Love's Labour's Lost and The Tempest etc. - When you crashed in on Snyder condolence thread gloating and cheering, and then lied that that you gave your sympathies "elsewhere", where is the evidence for that? Etc If you can prove only one of these Tristan will give a pretty little plastic PONY, or a Sailor Moon cosplay costume as reward. And unlike you, Tristan always pays his dues.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 19:26:42 GMT
Just block him. He knows he's speaking nonsense, but he'll never pass up the chance to rattle some Marvel fan cages if you let him. I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth. oh jeez, I severely overestimated your wits. Would have thought you would get the ol rhetorical method of bringing point 1 full circle with point 4 sarcastically...well Poe's law found itself another victim...
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Post by mcufan on Aug 14, 2017 19:39:53 GMT
I know, don't worry. There's nothing any of these guys can say that I would consider valid opinions. This Tristan sometimes let's slip some, but then ruins the chance of a serious debate with stuff like MCU sucks. I'm just in the right mood for some banter. That's why I don't block them. Sorry to all of you that have to endure this back and forth. oh jeez, I severely overestimated your wits. Would have thought you would get the ol rhetorical method of bringing point 1 full circle with point 4 sarcastically...well Poe's law found itself another victim... I would, but alas English is not my mother language so regretfully I lack in knowledge about it and it's authors. Read some Shakespeare, Poe, Lovecraft, Twain and some others in English, but that was recreation. If it's not yours either and you know all that stuff,kudos to you.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 14, 2017 20:22:20 GMT
oh jeez, I severely overestimated your wits. Would have thought you would get the ol rhetorical method of bringing point 1 full circle with point 4 sarcastically...well Poe's law found itself another victim... I would, but alas English is not my mother language so regretfully I lack in knowledge about it and it's authors. Read some Shakespeare, Poe, Lovecraft, Twain and some others in English, but that was recreation. If it's not yours either and you know all that stuff,kudos to you. fair enough dude, I was referring to the sophistic school of rhetoric, btw Poe's Law is an internet rule (just like Godwin's law) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_lawimdb2.freeforums.net/post/761170And kudos where kudos' due, your statistical RT prediction regarding SMH ending adjusted on 4 has proven correct. That's something. But say, you do not happen to be the evil twin brother of the flying Dutchman wellibert? I mean he just happened to disappear and lo and behold: suddenly enter a twin-avatar mcu-fan in red who is just as obsessed with dc-fan as wellibert ever was...my appraisal on you being him was 1:9 negative, so you can prove me wrong here.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 14, 2017 20:25:46 GMT
Yeah, I never got a propaganda vibe from those films. Heck, in Civil War, Captain America ends up rejecting America's wishes and becomes a fugitive in order to finally clear Bucky's name. And The Winter Soldier film is basically one big back-handed slap across the face of real life modern America. It's very sad how that a film which could basically be renamed George Orwell's 1984, Starring Captain America is so relevant to the U.S. today. Really? I thought it was about the Obama years.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 20:33:25 GMT
And The Winter Soldier film is basically one big back-handed slap across the face of real life modern America. It's very sad how that a film which could basically be renamed George Orwell's 1984, Starring Captain America is so relevant to the U.S. today. Really? I thought it was about the Obama years. That's pretty much what I just said. The Obama years ARE modern America, at least until enough time has passed that the Trump-and-onward years can be referred to as "Modern America". Trump's just on his first year, anyway, and the country is still mostly operating under the remnants of the Obama years for the time being. I was also referring to dimwits who are willing to give up rights to be "protected", though.
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