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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 13:16:51 GMT
I do, mainly because they aren't pretentious like the movies and movie fans are.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 13:17:56 GMT
X2 wasn't that great either, it just had no competition so people didn't know better and now it has nostalgia filtering it to make it seem better. Always an excuse with you. Whatever makes you sleep at night. It's not my fault FoX-Fans keep clinging to X2 like it means anything. That movie had its' major problems, but since there weren't other CBM series around back in 2003 no one cared to think about this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 13:19:04 GMT
What's more creative, a random gene giving random powers or a society built around ancient crystals that everyone must be exposed to as a coming of age ritual even if this means turning into a monster and then having to figure out what you'll do with your life from then on? X-Men wishes it could put this much thought into itself. As opposed to Holocaust exploitation. Nah genetic mutation is much more interesting on the ethical and moral side of society to explore Darwinism. Ancient crystals is kiddy and lame. How is it more interesting? At least the Inhumans dealt with religious implications of this type of stuff, X-Men couldn't be bothered until Apocalypse and they botched it there too. It's just another sign of the salty X-Fans who can't stand that the X-Men aren't treated like the saviors of Marvel anymore...even though they never were and focusing on the X-Men ultimately did more harm than good for Marvel.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 16, 2017 13:55:29 GMT
Always an excuse with you. Whatever makes you sleep at night. It's not my fault FoX-Fans keep clinging to X2 like it means anything. That movie had its' major problems, but since there weren't other CBM series around back in 2003 no one cared to think about this. Wrong. It would still be received universally well if it was released today, maybe even moreso as their has been an increase in average/mediocre CBMs that have oversatured the market. When you get "good ones" relative to those that are released and so rare these days, like Logan and Deadpool, they are seen as modern classics - but I would still say X2 is superior to both.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 13:58:04 GMT
I'm so happy that the X-Men will never be in the MCU.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 16, 2017 14:05:04 GMT
How is it more interesting? At least the Inhumans dealt with religious implications of this type of stuff, X-Men couldn't be bothered until Apocalypse and they botched it there too. It's just another sign of the salty X-Fans who can't stand that the X-Men aren't treated like the saviors of Marvel anymore...even though they never were and focusing on the X-Men ultimately did more harm than good for Marvel. You dont think its interesting that Magneto wants to lead a cult of mutant supremacists in todays political climate? The X-gene gives us a unique insight commentary to how social Darwinism and altruism can drive a community to potential extinction, considering its already happened with Neanderthals and Homi Sapiens. You can derive parralels with racism, capitalism, homophobia and religion - which is discussed well before Apocalypse with Nightcrawler in X2 no less. Ethical decisions are covered with the Cure storyline in X3. Its simply better to use a basis in evolutionary biology within real science rather than some magic crystal.
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Post by charzhino on Aug 16, 2017 14:05:54 GMT
I'm so happy that the X-Men will never be in the MCU. Facts. They can try to replicate it with Inhumans but will fail.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 14:52:14 GMT
It's not my fault FoX-Fans keep clinging to X2 like it means anything. That movie had its' major problems, but since there weren't other CBM series around back in 2003 no one cared to think about this. Wrong. It would still be received universally well if it was released today, maybe even moreso as their has been an increase in average/mediocre CBMs that have oversatured the market. When you get "good ones" relative to those that are released and so rare these days, like Logan and Deadpool, they are seen as modern classics - but I would still say X2 is superior to both. No, it wouldn't. It doesn't innovate or bring anything new to the table. It took no risks the way the MCU films (and even some DCEU films) took. It had a nonsensical ending, it took the lazy way out many times, it had plenty of unexplained stuff that needed explanation. Logan wasn't that good either, people just went easy on it because it was Jackman's swan song and because they killed Logan in the end. Deadpool worked because it was low budget so it could easily make the money back and because it had skin and gore to attract people. In fact, Deadpool WAS an MCU film with the exception of the wanton skin and gore.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 14:56:09 GMT
How is it more interesting? At least the Inhumans dealt with religious implications of this type of stuff, X-Men couldn't be bothered until Apocalypse and they botched it there too. It's just another sign of the salty X-Fans who can't stand that the X-Men aren't treated like the saviors of Marvel anymore...even though they never were and focusing on the X-Men ultimately did more harm than good for Marvel. You dont think its interesting that Magneto wants to lead a cult of mutant supremacists in todays political climate? The X-gene gives us a unique insight commentary to how social Darwinism and altruism can drive a community to potential extinction, considering its already happened with Neanderthals and Homi Sapiens. You can derive parralels with racism, capitalism, homophobia and religion - which is discussed well before Apocalypse with Nightcrawler in X2 no less. Ethical decisions are covered with the Cure storyline in X3. Its simply better to use a basis in evolutionary biology within real science rather than some magic crystal. No, because it came too late in the series and wasn't explored properly. It was less a Mutant Supremacy Cult and more just a terrorist group. X-Men has never worked as a "Minority Oppression" analogy, because the mutants are the ones with all the power and the Humans are the ones in real danger. But the movies think it's the other way around, and refuse to treat the Human side with any depth as the endangered species. The Human portrayal is laughable. And no, I never thought that nonsense with Nightcrawler and Storm had much depth to it either because it's just more "People are afraid of what they don't understand." Which is more nonsense, because peoples' fear of mutants isn't that they don't understand them. It's that they understand them TOO WELL. And the Cure plot wasn't focused on enough either. If they wanted it to be deep, they should've had the scientists who created the Cure all be mutants and only mutants. Inhumans deals with how a society of nothing but superhumans would operate, and gave it more depth than X-Men has towards Mutant Societies. Of course, that's what X-Fans just can't stand because they think the Universe revolves around them and them alone to the detriment of every other Marvel character. What I want? I want to see a story where Xavier and Magneto get shot out into space and run into cosmic entities that easily thrash both of them and are utterly immune to their powers. Make them realize that there's more to the world than their petty struggle on Earth and they need to grow up.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 16, 2017 14:56:29 GMT
I don't want Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen replaced
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 14:58:21 GMT
I'm so happy that the X-Men will never be in the MCU. Facts. They can try to replicate it with Inhumans but will fail. Because Salty X-Fans can't stand that the X-Men are no longer the center of the Universe and Marvel finally realized their other characters are just as worthwhile. Over-reliance on the X-Men is what caused all their problems anyways.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Aug 16, 2017 15:19:16 GMT
I actually don't mind that Fox owns the rights to X-Men. Sure, they had some fuck ups like X3 and Wolverine Origins, but they've been killing it lately with Deadpool and Logan.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 16, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
I actually don't mind that Fox owns the rights to X-Men. Sure, they had some fuck ups like X3 and Wolverine Origins, but they've been killing it lately with Deadpool and Logan. Eh, Logan was a one-hit thing. It got its reception because it was advertised as Jackman's swan song. Deadpool? That's an MCU movie is everything it did, it just had more skin and gore.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 16, 2017 17:20:53 GMT
X2 wasn't that great either, it just had no competition so people didn't know better and now it has nostalgia filtering it to make it seem better. Always an excuse with you. Whatever makes you sleep at night. He has a point though, there were not many quality comic based movies out at the time, in 2003 its only competition for "best comic book movie" was Ang Lee's Hulk, Daredevil, and The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. X-2 is clearly the better of the four, and no American Splendor doesn't count as its not a superhero movie. The market now is full of superhero movies and few of them turn out to be stinkers, there's a lot more quality releases now than in 2003. I see you've ignored my post about how The Last Stand is viewed as poor by a lot of people and not because it was a Spider-Man 3 type of scenario where it just couldn't live up to its amazing second.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 16, 2017 17:33:11 GMT
It's not my fault FoX-Fans keep clinging to X2 like it means anything. That movie had its' major problems, but since there weren't other CBM series around back in 2003 no one cared to think about this. Wrong. It would still be received universally well if it was released today, maybe even moreso as their has been an increase in average/mediocre CBMs that have oversatured the market. When you get "good ones" relative to those that are released and so rare these days, like Logan and Deadpool, they are seen as modern classics - but I would still say X2 is superior to both. X2 has not held up that well, it is very good but its by no means an Empire Strikes Back, Godfather Part II, Road Warrior, or even a Terminator 2 as far as sequels go. It is very much rooted in the early 00's and represents a period in the Hollywood marketplace where Spider-Man was the only film released that truly embraced its comic book roots whereas X-Men tried to be grounded and edgy, with a slightly desaturated color palette and avoidance of comic accurate clothing and visuals. The genre has come a long way since then, and the difference in approach to Deadpool and Logan are very much felt. Deadpool totally embraced its comic roots right down to costuming and tone, Logan felt very much like a commentary on how the movies avoided their comic roots and only could get better if they fully embraced them.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 16, 2017 17:34:01 GMT
I don't want Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen replaced Well, they have. Stewart might come back in a cameo in a Deadpool follow-up or on Legion but that'll be basically it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 16, 2017 18:41:34 GMT
Would you go full Ultimate X-Men and have "mutation" revealed as a creation/mishap of the US government? Well, since "humans naturally mutating" is unfortunately out of the question with the MCU's established history, we'd HAVE to either go with that or go with the idea that the Infinity Stones altered certain people (or both). I like the idea of it being mostly children. That could give rise to an interesting dynamic where there are only a few adult Mutants like Professor X and Magneto, but a WHOLE BUNCH of Mutant kids that need guidance. You can actually soft reboot the MCU with all the Infinity Stones. Have them going through time in a bunch of time periods (even ancient) and mucking up the past with their battles. Not just on this planet, but a bunch of other galaxies. With this you can say that they created beings like Galactus and the Shi'ar and such. Imagine a battle where they keep falling into "space" and "time" portals. They show a planet how it is today, with people with spears and living in huts. They fall through a portal and a piece of Tony's suit gets knocked off. They fall through a portal again and the civilization is heavily advanced. Same thing for Earth's distant past and a group of neanderthal gets caught in the Power stone energy burst. When they fall back through a portal it lingers on the group for a few seconds looking at their body (maybe glowing) amazed.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 16, 2017 18:50:33 GMT
If you're a lazy writer. X-Men wishes it could put that kind of thought into itself. Nah, X-Men is an allegory and has never been appropriate than now. Unless you wish Bryan Singer personally gets rich enough to buy a boatload of underage boys, then you're a Nazi. You do know that X-men wasn't an allegory when they started, right? It's something that happened over time. Mutants did come about because they were too lazy to come up with origins for everyone. So you were just born with your powers. Stan Lee said this.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 16, 2017 19:02:56 GMT
How is it more interesting? At least the Inhumans dealt with religious implications of this type of stuff, X-Men couldn't be bothered until Apocalypse and they botched it there too. It's just another sign of the salty X-Fans who can't stand that the X-Men aren't treated like the saviors of Marvel anymore...even though they never were and focusing on the X-Men ultimately did more harm than good for Marvel. Its simply better to use a basis in evolutionary biology within real science rather than some magic crystal. Real science? Both of them are magic. Magic DNA and magic crystals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 19:15:08 GMT
Well, since "humans naturally mutating" is unfortunately out of the question with the MCU's established history, we'd HAVE to either go with that or go with the idea that the Infinity Stones altered certain people (or both). I like the idea of it being mostly children. That could give rise to an interesting dynamic where there are only a few adult Mutants like Professor X and Magneto, but a WHOLE BUNCH of Mutant kids that need guidance. You can actually soft reboot the MCU with all the Infinity Stones. Have them going through time in a bunch of time periods (even ancient) and mucking up the past with their battles. Not just on this planet, but a bunch of other galaxies. With this you can say that they created beings like Galactus and the Shi'ar and such. Imagine a battle where they keep falling into "space" and "time" portals. They show a planet how it is today, with people with spears and living in huts. They fall through a portal and a piece of Tony's suit gets knocked off. They fall through a portal again and the civilization is heavily advanced. Same thing for Earth's distant past and a group of neanderthal gets caught in the Power stone energy burst. When they fall back through a portal it lingers on the group for a few seconds looking at their body (maybe glowing) amazed. That could work, but they'd have to play the cards just right.
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