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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 24, 2017 9:39:24 GMT
you did not quite get the point, did you? One brilliant Mozart is more worth than a dozen mediocre Salieris. One top medal place is more worth than a hundred forth places. I am not interested in your averages, that is exactly the MCU's problem... WTF?! ok this is a bit confused but I will try my best:
I'm not a real DC fan, but TDK is generally considered to be the ultimate, serious CBM classic.
Uh, and DC has just delivered another such masterpiece with WW. It's considered a genre defining milestone with a message (currently being the best reviewed CBM smash hit ever) and has opened new markets (try to talk to females). It was the FIRST female led (character and director) CMB that greatly prevailed in this typically mysogynistic genre. That is quite a feat, more so than TDK IMO.
The facts speak for themselves, answer enough!
You have a strong fan bias. DC has plenty of movies "outshining" MCU films in every way, I do not even discuss that (see above), hell Watchmen (my personal favorite) outshines them all IMO.
If you should refer to DCEU (?), well this universe is four (read: 4) movies in compared to MCUs 16+. So, a rather silly and unfair comparision to begin with.
And ironically WW already just did outshine all MCU. Also, I personally prefer BvS or MoS over most MCU entries, average movies but at least interesting. The only real unredeemable dreck movie is SS.
What were the first 4 MCU films btw? Ironman (a hit, which was cloned and fomulated ad nauseam in the subsequent films), Hulk (lol), IM2 (dreck) and Thor (mediocre).
Fanboy bias again , no I do not, I just wish Marvel made better, ie less average, movies. The movies seem to be liked (curently), but not loved, as indicted by the fact that - despite being in their prime popularity - they are not in the top 250 popular charts (as said Logan, Bats, Supes are there). And believe me after the MCU bubble bursts (and bubbles always burst) this will go down further.
WW, nuff said.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 24, 2017 9:57:48 GMT
If Wonder Woman outshines every MCU, how come she hasn't made a billion yet? you are just too dull to realize how stupid you are. I will not even name your fallacy.
Thank you for your unwavering propensity for low effort thinking, fallaciousraptor.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2017 12:08:53 GMT
Even with all the artificial boosting WW got, it's still not at a billion yet. Sad.
As for the 250 list, the only CBMs on there are the ones with the artificial boosters (Logan, Nolans' stuff).
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 24, 2017 16:19:56 GMT
ok this is a bit confused but I will try my best:
I'm not a real DC fan, but TDK is generally considered to be the ultimate, serious CBM classic.
Uh, and DC has just delivered another such masterpiece with WW. It's considered a genre defining milestone with a message (currently being the best reviewed CBM smash hit ever) and has opened new markets (try to talk to females). It was the FIRST female led (character and director) CMB that greatly prevailed in this typically mysogynistic genre. That is quite a feat, more so than TDK IMO.
The facts speak for themselves, answer enough!
You have a strong fan bias. DC has plenty of movies "outshining" MCU films in every way, I do not even discuss that (see above), hell Watchmen (my personal favorite) outshines them all IMO.
If you should refer to DCEU (?), well this universe is four (read: 4) movies in compared to MCUs 16+. So, a rather silly and unfair comparision to begin with.
And ironically WW already just did outshine all MCU. Also, I personally prefer BvS or MoS over most MCU entries, average movies but at least interesting. The only real unredeemable dreck movie is SS.
What were the first 4 MCU films btw? Ironman (a hit, which was cloned and fomulated ad nauseam in the subsequent films), Hulk (lol), IM2 (dreck) and Thor (mediocre).
Fanboy bias again , no I do not, I just wish Marvel made better, ie less average, movies. The movies seem to be liked (curently), but not loved, as indicted by the fact that - despite being in their prime popularity - they are not in the top 250 popular charts (as said Logan, Bats, Supes are there). And believe me after the MCU bubble bursts (and bubbles always burst) this will go down further.
WW, nuff said. ThatGuy just got owned!
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 24, 2017 16:54:57 GMT
ok this is a bit confused but I will try my best:
I'm not a real DC fan, but TDK is generally considered to be the ultimate, serious CBM classic.
Uh, and DC has just delivered another such masterpiece with WW. It's considered a genre defining milestone with a message (currently being the best reviewed CBM smash hit ever) and has opened new markets (try to talk to females). It was the FIRST female led (character and director) CMB that greatly prevailed in this typically mysogynistic genre. That is quite a feat, more so than TDK IMO.
The facts speak for themselves, answer enough!
You have a strong fan bias. DC has plenty of movies "outshining" MCU films in every way, I do not even discuss that (see above), hell Watchmen (my personal favorite) outshines them all IMO.
If you should refer to DCEU (?), well this universe is four (read: 4) movies in compared to MCUs 16+. So, a rather silly and unfair comparision to begin with.
And ironically WW already just did outshine all MCU. Also, I personally prefer BvS or MoS over most MCU entries, average movies but at least interesting. The only real unredeemable dreck movie is SS.
What were the first 4 MCU films btw? Ironman (a hit, which was cloned and fomulated ad nauseam in the subsequent films), Hulk (lol), IM2 (dreck) and Thor (mediocre).
Fanboy bias again , no I do not, I just wish Marvel made better, ie less average, movies. The movies seem to be liked (curently), but not loved, as indicted by the fact that - despite being in their prime popularity - they are not in the top 250 popular charts (as said Logan, Bats, Supes are there). And believe me after the MCU bubble bursts (and bubbles always burst) this will go down further.
WW, nuff said. Wonder Woman is not a masterpiece. It's a copy of Captain America: First Avenger. And the thing that you guys aren't getting is that Wonder Woman wasn't really a milestone. Well, maybe a milestone for the studios. Think about movies like Catwoman and Elektra. The studios made crap movies and blamed the characters and not the people who made the movies when they didn't come out good. You see, no one cares who directed the movies because no one cares if it was Patty Jenkins or the Russo brothers. As long as the movie is good. And maybe, just maybe, the goodwill that Marvel has brought forth with the MCU has gotten people on board to see these movies. No, Wonder Woman wasn't a milestone for the fans or comic book movies. It was another watchable movie. And by misogynistic, you must be talking about executives. People (not some nonCBM fans) have been asking for female led superhero movies for a while. Read that again, Poindexter. I said "right now." The DCEU is what is actively competing against the MCU. Not past movies. Also, just for the sake of argument, is Watchmen really a DC movie? The comic is under the DC imprint, but the characters/story is not in the DC universe. And BvS and MoS are far from average. Did any DCEU movie get above a 50 rating until WW? Oh, sorry MoS is at 55%. I mean, even Thor 2 got 66%. And SS being the only irredeemable movie? My dad started playing candy crush during BvS and he watches crap movies all the time. BvS is full on emo boring. And all of the MCU movies are above average with a few that are average. The only movie people keep bringing up as being bad is Thor 2 and that is mostly because of Portman phoning it in and Kat Dennings. Fanboy bias from you. Look, I actually liked Deadpool (a pretty much independent movie made outside the X-men universe), Logan (capitalizing on Deadpool) and Wonder Woman (rehash of Captain America: First Avenger). But I know you will ignore that because it goes against this narrative you have in your head for people that says that DCEU and Fox need to get good. The funny part is that we so called "fanboys" keep saying we like some of the movies outside of the MCU because they are genuinely good, but do you guys? Do you know what obscure means? Wonder Woman is not an obscure character. When DC makes some good movies out of characters like Blue Beetle and Booster Gold and Hawkman and Fire and Ice, then you can say that DC is doing good. They are having trouble with Batman and Superman...
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 24, 2017 16:56:27 GMT
Your meaning of "got owned" and everyone else is totally different.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 25, 2017 2:01:25 GMT
ok this is a bit confused but I will try my best:
I'm not a real DC fan, but TDK is generally considered to be the ultimate, serious CBM classic.
Uh, and DC has just delivered another such masterpiece with WW. It's considered a genre defining milestone with a message (currently being the best reviewed CBM smash hit ever) and has opened new markets (try to talk to females). It was the FIRST female led (character and director) CMB that greatly prevailed in this typically mysogynistic genre. That is quite a feat, more so than TDK IMO.
The facts speak for themselves, answer enough!
You have a strong fan bias. DC has plenty of movies "outshining" MCU films in every way, I do not even discuss that (see above), hell Watchmen (my personal favorite) outshines them all IMO.
If you should refer to DCEU (?), well this universe is four (read: 4) movies in compared to MCUs 16+. So, a rather silly and unfair comparision to begin with.
And ironically WW already just did outshine all MCU. Also, I personally prefer BvS or MoS over most MCU entries, average movies but at least interesting. The only real unredeemable dreck movie is SS.
What were the first 4 MCU films btw? Ironman (a hit, which was cloned and fomulated ad nauseam in the subsequent films), Hulk (lol), IM2 (dreck) and Thor (mediocre).
Fanboy bias again , no I do not, I just wish Marvel made better, ie less average, movies. The movies seem to be liked (curently), but not loved, as indicted by the fact that - despite being in their prime popularity - they are not in the top 250 popular charts (as said Logan, Bats, Supes are there). And believe me after the MCU bubble bursts (and bubbles always burst) this will go down further.
WW, nuff said. Wonder Woman is not a masterpiece. It's a copy of Captain America: First Avenger. No, Wonder Woman isn't a copy of First Avenger. If Wonder Woman were a copy of First Avenger, then the No Man's Land scene woul be full of jokes and 1-liners. There would also be plenty of jokes about the 1-legged or 1-armed soldiers.
MCU movies always treat war and people getting injured or killed as a big joke. Wonder Woman is the first CBM to depict the horrors of war without turning war into a big joke like MCU movies always do.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 25, 2017 2:03:08 GMT
Wonder Woman is not a masterpiece. It's a copy of Captain America: First Avenger. No, Wonder Woman isn't a copy of First Avenger. If Wonder Woman were a copy of First Avenger, then the No Man's Land scene woul be full of jokes and 1-liners. There would also be plenty of jokes about the 1-legged or 1-armed soldiers.
MCU movies always treat war and people getting injured or killed as a big joke. Wonder Woman is the first CBM to depict the horrors of war without turning war into a big joke like MCU movies always do.
First Avenger made no jokes about amputees, nor did they joke during the major fight scenes. You have to prove that they did so before making these half-baked comments. MCU is respectful, just not pretentious.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 25, 2017 13:31:23 GMT
Wonder Woman is not a masterpiece. It's a copy of Captain America: First Avenger. No, Wonder Woman isn't a copy of First Avenger. If Wonder Woman were a copy of First Avenger, then the No Man's Land scene woul be full of jokes and 1-liners. There would also be plenty of jokes about the 1-legged or 1-armed soldiers.
MCU movies always treat war and people getting injured or killed as a big joke. Wonder Woman is the first CBM to depict the horrors of war without turning war into a big joke like MCU movies always do.
Was First Avenger full of jokes and one-liners? I think you saw the wrong movie or is just using your bias against the MCU onto this movie? Also, what part of Wonder Woman depicted the horrors of war. Everything that happened happened because of comic book villains and not real leaders.
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Post by sostie on Aug 25, 2017 18:59:51 GMT
Wonder Woman is not a masterpiece. It's a copy of Captain America: First Avenger. No, Wonder Woman isn't a copy of First Avenger. Yeah...no similarities whatsoever... A comic book hero created just before the US entry into World War 2, with superhuman abilities, carrying a shield, leads a multi-cultural team of soldiers (who at one point are all in London where they go to a local pub) in an attempt to defeat the Germans during a World War. The main villain and their scientist are developing a super weapon. The superhuman falls in love with an Allied agent in the process, but one of the happy couple dies when they sacrifice themselves whilst destroying an aeroplane that is carrying said weapon.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 26, 2017 2:14:57 GMT
No, Wonder Woman isn't a copy of First Avenger. Yeah...no similarities whatsoever... A comic book hero created just before the US entry into World War 2, with superhuman abilities, carrying a shield, leads a multi-cultural team of soldiers (who at one point are all in London where they go to a local pub) in an attempt to defeat the Germans during a World War. The main villain and their scientist are developing a super weapon. The superhuman falls in love with an Allied agent in the process, but one of the happy couple dies when they sacrifice themselves whilst destroying an aeroplane that is carrying said weapon. Neither Steve Rogers nor Peggy Carter died in The First Avenger so you're comparison is already invalid. Nice try, but BIG FAIL!
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Post by sostie on Aug 26, 2017 2:24:28 GMT
Yeah...no similarities whatsoever... A comic book hero created just before the US entry into World War 2, with superhuman abilities, carrying a shield, leads a multi-cultural team of soldiers (who at one point are all in London where they go to a local pub) in an attempt to defeat the Germans during a World War. The main villain and their scientist are developing a super weapon. The superhuman falls in love with an Allied agent in the process, but one of the happy couple dies when they sacrifice themselves whilst destroying an aeroplane that is carrying said weapon. Neither Steve Rogers nor Peggy Carter died in The First Avenger so you're comparison is already invalid. Nice try, but BIG FAIL! Aren't you a Picky Nicky Dictionary definitions of "Sacrifice" All about the intent, nothing about the result/outcome of the action.
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