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Post by charzhino on Aug 19, 2017 11:47:45 GMT
I was watching the Collider Heros youtube video that was released yesterday and they were doing the best 5 CBMs of all time. youtu.be/OzGGFm7spqwThe host Schnepp, who I consider the most genuine and true comic book aficionado in on YouTube, gave his definitive top 5 and the other 2 guests, Robert M Burnett and Amy pitched in loosely with theirs - Amy managed to give her 5 in no particular order at the end but Robert just commented on them. Schnepps top 5 1. The Dark Knight 2. Civil War 3. Superman 4. X2 5. The Avengers Amys list composed of: Avengers, The Dark Knight, Superman, X2, Wonder Woman First of all, to all those bonehead MCU fans claiming that X2 is an "average" film that came out with no competition and wouldn't be well recieved today, the fact that Schnepp especially, has X2 is his 5 best CBMs of all time shows you have limited knowledge and are not cultured enough to give unbiased opinions. Secondly, I looked at the most popular thumbs up comments from people giving their top 5s and tallied them up to give the following consensus: 1. The Dark Knight 2. Logan 3. Batman Begins 4. Winter Soldier 5. Spiderman 2 All this just shows how incredibly biased the MCU fanatics on this board are and how their opinions that the MCU produces consistently great films is not an extension to reality. A neutral reading this board would expect the likes of GotG and Dr Strange to be amongst the best CBMs ever or Spiderman Homecoming to be the GOAT Spidey flick. They dont even appear in honourable mentions. The truth is that MCU films are average and not memorable to the general audience. Majority are 1 watch and forget. They have 1 or 2 films that can be considered truly great like Winter Soldier or Avengers, but on the whole they get nowhere near the upper echelons of superhero movie prestige.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 16:29:53 GMT
First of all, to all those bonehead MCU fans claiming that X2 is an "average" film that came out with no competition and wouldn't be well recieved today, the fact that Schnepp especially, has X2 is his 5 best CBMs of all time shows you have limited knowledge and are not cultured enough to give unbiased opinions.All this just shows how incredibly biased the MCU fanatics on this board are and how their opinions that the MCU produces consistently great films is not an extension to reality. No, we just have our own opinions and our own thoughts and aren't sheep.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 16:35:23 GMT
charhino, isn't there a special needs class you need to be getting to?
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Post by scabab on Aug 19, 2017 17:05:37 GMT
Nobody said all the MCU movies were great or that Doctor Strange was one of the best superhero movies.
Just a quick look on IMDB shows that most MCU movies have good but not spectacular user scores so you're speaking nonsense for the most part.
The Avengers, Iron Man, Civil War, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy people hold in high regard for understandable reasons and that's it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 17:10:00 GMT
Nobody said all the MCU movies were great or that Doctor Strange was one of the best superhero movies. Just a quick look on IMDB shows that most MCU movies have good but not spectacular user scores so you're speaking nonsense for the most part. The Avengers, Iron Man, Civil War, Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy people hold in high regard for understandable reasons and that's it. And that's what FoX-Men and DC fans just can't stand, that anything the MCU does is held in high regard.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 19, 2017 17:11:32 GMT
The truth is that MCU films are average and not memorable to the general audience. Majority are 1 watch and forget. They have 1 or 2 films that can be considered truly great like Winter Soldier or Avengers, but on the whole they get nowhere near the upper echelons of superhero movie prestige. that is only fair and further confirmed by the fact that MCU films at the height of their popularity are not represented in the biggest movie popularity chart, the IMDb 250. Logan and Batman are. Let's not even talk Academy awards, or you will create a MCU suicide squad. In the end, one should not wish the MCU to fail but to make better products (and maybe sell some comics again!?). Same with the MCU fans: I don't want them to fail, but to become better people. Here's hope that they stop bullying other franchises, such as the X-Men, and accept the facts. Peace out.
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Post by scabab on Aug 19, 2017 17:44:54 GMT
The truth is that MCU films are average and not memorable to the general audience. Majority are 1 watch and forget. They have 1 or 2 films that can be considered truly great like Winter Soldier or Avengers, but on the whole they get nowhere near the upper echelons of superhero movie prestige. that is only fair and further confirmed by the fact that MCU films at the height of their popularity are not represented in the biggest movie popularity chart, the IMDb 250. Logan and Batman are. Let's not even talk Academy awards, or you will create a MCU suicide squad. In the end, one should not wish the MCU to fail but to make better products (and maybe sell some comics again!?). Same with the MCU fans: I don't want them to fail, but to become better people. Here's hope that they stop bullying other franchises, such as the X-Men, and accept the facts. Peace out. But then at the same time every single MCU movie has had majority positive reviews. 14 out of 16 movies have a 7.0 or higher on IMDB with the two that don't still having a 6.8 and a 6.9. Batman on the other hand has multiple movies with terrible reviews. Batman Forever has a 5.4 and Batman and Robin has a 3.7 on IMDB. X-men has multiple movies with poor reviews as well. Three of these movies have inferior user scores to the MCU's lowest scored movie. So you can't conveniently pick things out.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 19, 2017 18:38:52 GMT
that is only fair and further confirmed by the fact that MCU films at the height of their popularity are not represented in the biggest movie popularity chart, the IMDb 250. Logan and Batman are. Let's not even talk Academy awards, or you will create a MCU suicide squad. In the end, one should not wish the MCU to fail but to make better products (and maybe sell some comics again!?). Same with the MCU fans: I don't want them to fail, but to become better people. Here's hope that they stop bullying other franchises, such as the X-Men, and accept the facts. Peace out. But then at the same time every single MCU movie has had majority positive reviews. 14 out of 16 movies have a 7.0 or higher on IMDB with the two that don't still having a 6.8 and a 6.9. Batman on the other hand has multiple movies with terrible reviews. Batman Forever has a 5.4 and Batman and Robin has a 3.7 on IMDB. X-men has multiple movies with poor reviews as well. Three of these movies have inferior user scores to the MCU's lowest scored movie. So you can't conveniently pick things out. you did not quite get the point, did you? One brilliant Mozart is more worth than a dozen mediocre Salieris. One top medal place is more worth than a hundred forth places. I am not interested in your averages, that is exactly the MCU's problem...
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 18:54:30 GMT
The truth is that MCU films are average and not memorable to the general audience. Majority are 1 watch and forget. They have 1 or 2 films that can be considered truly great like Winter Soldier or Avengers, but on the whole they get nowhere near the upper echelons of superhero movie prestige. that is only fair and further confirmed by the fact that MCU films at the height of their popularity are not represented in the biggest movie popularity chart, the IMDb 250. Logan and Batman are. Let's not even talk Academy awards, or you will create a MCU suicide squad. Logan made it in due to the artificial boost it got from being Jackman's swan song, and because they killed him at the end. It was an "End of an Era" movie for people ashamed of comic books. Same with Dark Knight, Heath Ledger dying made the movie pretty impregnable. Also the MCU doesn't go for that sell-out "grounded" approach Nolan and Logan did. And the Academy doesn't like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 19:10:34 GMT
The only one biased here is you. You constantly make posts against the MCU trying to state your opinion as an objective fact. Yet you claim to be unbiased.
I for one love X2 and do consider it in my top 15(There are too many CBMs that I love for me to have a top 5). If other MCU fans don't then leave them be and if you don't like their opinion then just click off the MCU board and go have a discussion on the X Men board where people will share your opinion.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 21:04:01 GMT
The only one biased here is you. You constantly make posts against the MCU trying to state your opinion as an objective fact. Yet you claim to be unbiased. FoX-Men fans have this strange obsession. They can't stand that ungrounded CBMs are popular with the public at all and want them all gone, so the MCU is a threat to their belief system or something.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 19, 2017 21:11:53 GMT
The only one biased here is you. You constantly make posts against the MCU trying to state your opinion as an objective fact. Yet you claim to be unbiased. FoX-Men fans have this strange obsession. They can't stand that ungrounded CBMs are popular with the public at all and want them all gone, so the MCU is a threat to their belief system or something. funny, I always thought they can't stand the fact that MCU fans are relentlessly bullying their forums by demanding X-Men must be returned to Marvel/MCU because "Fox-Men" movies did it all wrong especially with Logan and the X-Men should get the My Little Pony goes Disney treatment.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 21:24:45 GMT
FoX-Men fans have this strange obsession. They can't stand that ungrounded CBMs are popular with the public at all and want them all gone, so the MCU is a threat to their belief system or something. funny, I always thought they can't stand the fact that MCU fans are relentlessly bullying their forums by demanding X-Men must be returned to Marvel/MCU because "Fox-Men" movies did it all wrong especially with Logan and the X-Men should get the My Little Pony goes Disney treatment. No, they just hate the MCU for existing at all and that they don't go for that sell-out "grounded" aesthetic. If the MCU 'bullies' them, then it's well-deserved payback for how they acted first.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 19, 2017 21:59:27 GMT
X2 doesn't quite balance everything out but it's aged pretty well.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 19, 2017 21:59:52 GMT
funny, I always thought they can't stand the fact that MCU fans are relentlessly bullying their forums by demanding X-Men must be returned to Marvel/MCU because "Fox-Men" movies did it all wrong especially with Logan and the X-Men should get the My Little Pony goes Disney treatment. If the MCU 'bullies' them, then it's well-deserved payback for how they acted first. oh "Poland shot first", you are beginning to sound like the weirdraptor, and he is a certified paranoid-narcissistic drama queen.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2017 22:35:53 GMT
If the MCU 'bullies' them, then it's well-deserved payback for how they acted first. oh "Poland shot first", The FoX-Men fans threw the first punch, yes.
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Post by scabab on Aug 20, 2017 4:24:49 GMT
But then at the same time every single MCU movie has had majority positive reviews. 14 out of 16 movies have a 7.0 or higher on IMDB with the two that don't still having a 6.8 and a 6.9. Batman on the other hand has multiple movies with terrible reviews. Batman Forever has a 5.4 and Batman and Robin has a 3.7 on IMDB. X-men has multiple movies with poor reviews as well. Three of these movies have inferior user scores to the MCU's lowest scored movie. So you can't conveniently pick things out. you did not quite get the point, did you? One brilliant Mozart is more worth than a dozen mediocre Salieris. One top medal place is more worth than a hundred forth places. I am not interested in your averages, that is exactly the MCU's problem... Marvel doesn't want a couple great movies at the cost of a few shit movies. They'd certainly rather have consistency than anything else and that's why it's on top right now.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 20, 2017 21:51:39 GMT
you did not quite get the point, did you? One brilliant Mozart is more worth than a dozen mediocre Salieris. One top medal place is more worth than a hundred forth places. I am not interested in your averages, that is exactly the MCU's problem... Marvel doesn't want a couple great movies at the cost of a few shit movies. They'd certainly rather have consistency than anything else and that's why it's on top right now. So basically you're a brainless fucking turd who prefers mass-produced mediocre McMovies to actual films.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 20, 2017 21:55:16 GMT
FoX-Men fans have this strange obsession. They can't stand that ungrounded CBMs are popular with the public at all and want them all gone, so the MCU is a threat to their belief system or something. funny, I always thought they can't stand the fact that MCU fans are relentlessly bullying their forums by demanding X-Men must be returned to Marvel/MCU because "Fox-Men" movies did it all wrong especially with Logan and the X-Men should get the My Little Pony goes Disney treatment. The obliviousness is part of being a militant MCU McDipshit, like formersamhmd or ArArArchStanton . It's not enough to just enjoy these movies like a normal person, which incidentally is perfectly fine and dandy. It's all about being a smug fucking kunt regarding Marvel to literally everyone with whom one interacts, for really no reason at all. And also arbitrarily trashing DCEU and/or Fox movies as though it's obligatory and necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:52:02 GMT
funny, I always thought they can't stand the fact that MCU fans are relentlessly bullying their forums by demanding X-Men must be returned to Marvel/MCU because "Fox-Men" movies did it all wrong especially with Logan and the X-Men should get the My Little Pony goes Disney treatment. The obliviousness is part of being a militant MCU McDipshit, like formersamhmd or ArArArchStanton . It's not enough to just enjoy these movies like a normal person, which incidentally is perfectly fine and dandy. It's all about being a smug fucking kunt regarding Marvel to literally everyone with whom one interacts, for really no reason at all. And also arbitrarily trashing DCEU and/or Fox movies as though it's obligatory and necessary. No one arbitrarily trashes the DCEU and Fox movies. We trash them because they suck. Both of those other franchises are afraid to just let the characters be themselves, aside from a couple of titles. There's no sense of fun or adventure, hardly, and there's always this sense that comic book stories and characters are something they need to "fix", instead of just trying to work with the material. The idea that Superman can't stand on his own feet without being made into a moody, whiner is insulting when you consider the success Marvel has had Captain America. They just let Captain America be Captain America, and now he was the main character of the highest grossing film of 2016. And in the X-Men franchise, they just keep rehashing the same crap they've been pulling since 2003.
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