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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Aug 21, 2017 8:12:54 GMT
If FSG stand firm and Coutinho is subsequently "welcomed back into the fold", is this going to make Klopp look a bit of a chump re his Sakho stance?
A guy who was clearly set up just for the unfortunately circumstance of having a bigger personality than the beloved German vs a guy who handed in a transfer request and said he didn't want to play for the club again...
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 21, 2017 11:36:30 GMT
It's funny, we've won 54% of games with Coutinho and 52% of games without him, he's no longer the Mane man at the club. I wreckon 95% of us want the money, he's not that great. Todays latest www.football365.com/news/barca-accept-coutinho-move-is-impossible-reportAs for Sakho, theres a reason PSG got rid of him and Klopp probably saw why up close. We need a proper Matic/Kante d midfielder in front of our defenders to protect them, I'm getting fed up of the injury prone Henderson etc letting the chances go through, plenty of time to go yet and hopefully VvD comes in and Southampton take the mad French man in the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 11:42:45 GMT
It's funny, we've won 54% of games with Coutinho and 52% of games without him, he's no longer the Mane man at the club. I wreckon 95% of us want the money, he's not that great. Todays latest www.football365.com/news/barca-accept-coutinho-move-is-impossible-reportAs for Sakho, theres a reason PSG got rid of him and Klopp probably saw why up close. We need a proper Matic/Kante d midfielder in front of our defenders to protect them, I'm getting fed up of the injury prone Henderson etc letting the chances go through, plenty of time to go yet and hopefully VvD comes in and Southampton take the mad French man in the deal. Was that intentional?
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 12:25:26 GMT
No excuse will be given and nobody will care. Liverpool always treat their black players worse than their white players even when the white players do much worse things - look at how they treated Balotelli, Itandje, Diouf compared to Suarez, Gerrard and Carroll.
Don't take it from me, listen to what a black former Liverpool player has to say about it:
What did Liverpool do about this serious allegation? Investigate to see if there was institutional racism in the club? Investigate to see if their captain and one of their greatest living legends was a racist. Nope, just ignored it and tried to discredit Diouf.
That's before we even get into King Kenneth Dalglish and his behaviour when confronted with an allegation of racism.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 21, 2017 14:14:02 GMT
What has that got to do with Klopp, though? Have many reservations about Klopp, but I haven't heard of any incident of him treating black players worse than white players at Dortmund.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 15:35:14 GMT
What has that got to do with Klopp, though? Have many reservations about Klopp, but I haven't heard of any incident of him treating black players worse than white players at Dortmund. Nothing, other than the fact he chose to work for them. I'm just saying the club he's at isn't one that treats players equally. I don't know of any racism from Klopp at Dortmund, I'm not suggesting he's a racist. I looked up the 2013 CL Final team photo and every single player on the team was white so even if he were he wouldn't have much opportunity to express it.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 21, 2017 15:47:06 GMT
Aubameyang and Ramos were black players on his 2015/16 team.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 16:10:31 GMT
Aubameyang and Ramos were black players on his 2015/16 team. I thought he left at the end of 2014/15.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 21, 2017 16:13:33 GMT
Sorry, my bad. Meant 2014/15.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 21, 2017 19:08:45 GMT
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Aug 21, 2017 19:26:06 GMT
Interesting comments re the possibility of racism - hadn't really considered that, and although Diouf as a source should be instantly dismissed, I guess it is possible re Klopp.
Personally, I think with Sakho it was just an ego thing - Klopp didn't want to share centre stage with anyone else, and the pity is that Liverpool desperately need a big personality like that (i.e. not Henderson) to lead the team (and keep Lovren out the team!) on the park.
I'd like to see them both back in the team tbh, but going back to my op - how can Klopp have any credibility if he puts Coutinho (the guy who made clear he wanted to leave) back in the team and continues to leave Sakho on the sidelines?
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 21, 2017 23:23:13 GMT
Interesting comments re the possibility of racism - hadn't really considered that, and although Diouf as a source should be instantly dismissed, I guess it is possible re Klopp. Personally, I think with Sakho it was just an ego thing - Klopp didn't want to share centre stage with anyone else, and the pity is that Liverpool desperately need a big personality like that (i.e. not Henderson) to lead the team (and keep Lovren out the team!) on the park. I'd like to see them both back in the team tbh, but going back to my op - how can Klopp have any credibility if he puts Coutinho (the guy who made clear he wanted to leave) back in the team and continues to leave Sakho on the sidelines? I'm not having a go at Klopp specifically, I've no reason to think he's racist, but Liverpool Football Club as an institution is racist to the core. I think with Sakho the manager was allowed to do whatever he liked, kick him from training, ban from the squad, whatever, nobody was going to stop him. Maybe he'll try it with Coutinho, maybe he's that strongly against such disloyalty, but if he did I think the board would step in.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 22, 2017 11:45:47 GMT
Latest from the Echo COUTINHO CHASE OVER ‘Barcelona have finally admitted defeat,’ is the opening paragraph in the Liverpool Echo, leading to thousand of audible sighs of relief. In truth, Barcelona had no option to admit defeat after their bizarre 7pm deadline had been ignored by Liverpool’s baffled hierarchy. The Echo describes Liverpool as ‘bewildered’ by a figure of £118m which would only be reached if Barcelona won pretty much everything forever and the Brazilian himself was declared Pope. (yeah they can fuck off) They would only have been guaranteed £82m and that would not have compensated for his loss at this late stage. The challenge now is to re-integrate a player who has ‘seriously blotted his copybook’ at Liverpool and created an ‘infuriating sideshow’ for Jurgen Klopp when he is busy trying to, you know, qualify for the Champions League.
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Post by Excellent Bulletproof Vest on Aug 22, 2017 11:47:45 GMT
£82m even if he's a total failure who never gets into the team seems like a pretty great deal to me.
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Post by mandragora on Aug 22, 2017 12:17:46 GMT
Latest from the Echo COUTINHO CHASE OVER ‘Barcelona have finally admitted defeat,’ is the opening paragraph in the Liverpool Echo, leading to thousand of audible sighs of relief. In truth, Barcelona had no option to admit defeat after their bizarre 7pm deadline had been ignored by Liverpool’s baffled hierarchy. The Echo describes Liverpool as ‘bewildered’ by a figure of £118m which would only be reached if Barcelona won pretty much everything forever and the Brazilian himself was declared Pope. (yeah they can fuck off) They would only have been guaranteed £82m and that would not have compensated for his loss at this late stage. That's why I don't believe they'll meet Dortmund's demands for Dembele. I think they've moved on to more inexpensive targets. Read somewhere that they need a fair share of the Neymar money for infrastructure and debt repayments, and have actually only about 130-150m left. Reportedly their sporting director was in Gelsenkirchen on Saturday, to watch Keita and Goretzka. They might have a chance with Goretzka, but with Keita my prognosis is they'll see the middlefinger again.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 22, 2017 14:18:24 GMT
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Post by mandragora on Aug 22, 2017 14:30:10 GMT
Well, he knows now that if he joins Liverpool next year, he won't be allowed to leave for Barcelona later.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 22, 2017 14:40:43 GMT
We have no chance of signing Keita next Summer, we never get ChampionsLeague football 2 seasons in a row. All the Pool fans are hoping somehow theres last minute Keita/VVD additions
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Post by mandragora on Aug 22, 2017 14:48:48 GMT
You do realize this mess is entirely on Klopp. He fucked it up with VVD, and he kept chasing shadows with Keita although he of all people should have known better. It baffles me he doesn't get a lot more criticism.
He never had to deal with transfer business in Germany, and it shows. Just wondering what your newly installed DoF is doing all day.
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Post by MrFurious on Aug 22, 2017 23:03:44 GMT
£138M is the latest with 101M up front. We must take it asap
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