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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 29, 2017 1:23:37 GMT
SMH is Iron Man 4. They'll find a way to put Tony Stark in the beginning, middle, and end of the movie. If SMH is Iron Man 4 then what was Tony Stark's arc in the story? Should Tony propose to Pepper? How did he resolve the conflict? Tony gave Pepper an engagement ring. [How is he more three-dimensional than Peter? He isn't. Neither was Peter. The only likable character in SMH was Adrian Toomes, a guy who's just trying to provid for his family but got screwed over by greedy Tony Stark's Damage Control company.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Aug 29, 2017 1:25:16 GMT
A Vampirella film would be awesome, but they would probably have to change her outfit. I can see it being controversial. There was a straight to video Vampirella movie in 1996. It was actually petty good for what it was. They did change the costume slightly but only because she kept falling out of the comics faithful version. i actually have a copy of this but super low expectations have put me off viewing it as yet.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 29, 2017 1:46:00 GMT
If SMH is Iron Man 4 then what was Tony Stark's arc in the story? Should Tony propose to Pepper? How did he resolve the conflict? Tony gave Pepper an engagement ring. [How is he more three-dimensional than Peter? He isn't. Neither was Peter. The only likable character in SMH was Adrian Toomes, a guy who's just trying to provid for his family but got screwed over by greedy Tony Stark's Damage Control company. Actually Tony's role in SMH is to help Peter out, beyond that his role in the story is flat characterization, meaning he doesn't change all through out. This is why he only appears for roughly six minutes and that further cements the fact that he barely registers as the protagonist of the picture and thus not making SMH essentially a fourth Iron Man film. Peter is three-dimensional and the story of SMH is very much his own. He has conflict, he takes action, he seeks to conquer his conflict, and he resolves it in the end. You obviously do not know anything about screenwriting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 11:36:56 GMT
Most of those characters are not in DC (I've never heard of most of them*). And some of those are Image comics that went to DC when they bought Wildstorm. A lot of these characters have series/anime/animated series/movies. Not every male character has had a movie in development and it was made. Even the big named characters has had multiple stop and starts. Fathom almost had a movie with Cameron, but that was when he was on his water fetish. And Fathom did sell well for a while, but it drizzled out. Same with Witchbalde. Same with Gen 13. Image comics weren't really made for the long run. They were like anime in that after their 1st big story arc, it was done and only bleeding stories. And about that list of female led books you put down, almost none of them would have made any money. I said legacy character. Not spin-off. Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Batwoman, and Huntress are all legacy characters of Batman. Supergirl, Superboy, Steel, Krypto, etc. are all legacy characters. Um, Captain Marvel on recently got a push from Marvel. In like the past 10-15 years. Thor has been a big named character in the comics for decades. Same as Ant-man (but mostly as being a hated character for beating his wife). Guardians weren't as big as they are now, but they were there. Until recently the biggest thing Danvers had was giving Rogue her powers. She basically made another character famous. If one of your comic book fan friends didn't know who Ant-man was, they aren't comic book fans. Or they aren't Marvel comics fans. And maybe they knew who Spawn and Witchblade were because Spawn had a movie and a couple animated series and Witchblade had a tv series and anime series. *Wait, you are in Australia... Nevermind. You guys probably only got half of the comics and stuff from over here in the US. Most of the names in that list must be local or from outside the US. Most of the superheroes I mentioned are Image Comics, Dynamite Entertainment, IDW, Avatar Press, Action Lab, Broadsword, Boundless Comics, London Night Studios, Maximum Press, Aspen and Zenescope Entertainment and they were made all around the world and a number of them were very successful and had very high sales in comparison to the male lead comic books that have had movies. The problem is we have literally had ZERO of the biggest selling female comic books on screen. We have had Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, The Phantom, Spawn, Captain America, Wolverine, The Incredible Hulk, Green Lantern and Iron Man and the lesser knowns like The Crow, Blade, the Mask, Faust,Ant Man, the Punisher, Daredevil, V is for Vendetta, Constantine, Jonah Hex, Doctor Strange, Thor, Ghost Rider, Kick Ass, the Spirit, Steel, Nick Fury, Judge Dredd, Deadpool, Howard the Duck etc - All of which never had the same amount of success as 'Witchblade.' If Hollywood wasn't male skewed we would have had big screen adaptions of Witchblade, Red Sonja (a PROPER adaption with Red Sonja fighting monsters and not the sexist parody we got in the 80s), Vampirella, Hack/Slash, Fathom, Darkchylde, Birds of Prey, Wonderland (Zenescope's Grimm Fairy Tales Universe has racked up over 50 million sales), Lady Death, Supergirl (Linda Danvers), Spider Woman, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Shi, Razor and Cyberforce (with Cyblade) in live action YEARS ago. All of them could have been successful as evident with their sales and had big fanbases wanting movies. 'It was a joke we had to wait 40 years for a 'Wonder Woman' movie when the 'Wonder Woman' TV show with Lynda Carter was very successful and they should have made a Wonder Woman movie in the 80s when Lynda said she wanted to do a 'Wonder Woman' movie. They could have even had a Superman/ Wonder Woman team up movie with Christopher Reeve and Lynda Carter which would have been better than Superman 3, 4 and Supergirl. Hollywood deliberately kept female comic book series off screen so they could have the entire superhero genre be male dominated and you only need to read interviews with people who actually work in the comic book industry and movie industry who have admitted it. These people know what they are talking about and said many of the sexist top executives in Hollywood saw the idea of female heroes as jokes and only wanted male heroes on screen and spread the old age belief that only like men like Action and women like Romance which is absolute crap and Hollywood is only seeing now with the success of movies like 'the Hunger Games', 'Underworld', 'Resident Evil' and 'Wonder Woman.' Not to mention a lot of my male friends want more female lead comic books and are tired of the same male heroes done over and over again like Spider-Man (which is what? Reboot number 3 yet we can't even get one fucking Spider Woman/Jessica Drew movie). You're right. Both DC and Marvel have been just as bad as each other in the past with this and what makes them far worse than any of the other companies is they are owned by Time Warner and Disney. Unlike the other companies who have long wanted to make female superhero movies but don't have multi-billion dollar corporations throwing the dollars around to make movies of all their heroes including their obscure ones they have to get the funding of other Hollywood studios or save up for them themselves and risk losing a lot of money if one movie flops. Meanwhile DC and Marvel can have flop after flop and keep going which is why male heroes like 'Ant Man', 'Steel' and Jonah Hex who haven't even sold a quarter of what 'Witchblade' has got movies. Now things are changing with DC and they have Geoff running the show things have a chance of changing with female superheroes and the success of 'Wonder Woman' was one of the things that most likely gave movies like 'Razor' and 'Avengelyne' the greenlight but until we get a proper 'Witchblade' movie on screen I will always say that the genre is skewed to males 'cause no other comic book series in the past 40 years has been as successful as 'Witchblade' was nor has it outsold a large amount of the most popular superheroes from the Golden Age and Silver Age of Comics. You say about Image Comics being like anime in that after their 1st big story but the 'Witchblade Universe' has never had a chance on screen to see how successful it could be with Cyberforce, the Darkness, Aphrodite IX, The Magdalena, Artifacts, the Angelus, the Necromancer, Switch and IXth Generation. Heck, we haven't even had Danielle Baptiste on screen and she was one of the most popular characters in 'Witchblade.' Her relationship with Finch was often voted as being one of the best LGBT relationships in comics. Top Cow productions has over 500 million sales with all their series and if they can repeat the same success they had in comic books in the 90s and 00s on screen now they would make a LOT of money. One of the things about the 'Witchblade/Top Cow Universe' that a lot of my friends think would make it succeed is it wouldn't be competing with DC and Marvel 'cause it is completely different than both of them and mixes the superhero genre with Action, Crime, Horror, Fantasy and Sci Fi elements and there has never been anything like it in movies before making it completely new and unique. The same goes with Dynamite Entertainment, Aspen and Zenoscope names that are nothing like DC or Marvel. A lot of the series I mentioned above fit into the Horror genre including 'Red Sonja.' 'Razor' is a Horror superhero who was created in the image of Everette Hartsoe's real life sister who was murdered trying to be a vigilante and Razor comes back from the dead and becomes a superhero to save people from suffering the same fate she did but unlike the Superman's and Spider-Man's Razor kills villains and slashes them to pieces in very graphic ways and it is full on Horror with blood and gore and has a reputation for being one of the most violent comic books ever made and it is similar with other female superheroes. They all kill villains and monsters (Ariel in Darkchylde turns into monsters to fight monsters) and are edgy, dark and apologetically sexually promiscuous which is something we rarely ever get to see with female characters but always see with male characters and is one of the many double standards Hollywood has pushed for years 'cause if a guy sleeps around he is a such a legend but if we do it we are sluts. A number of those names are also Bisexual and lesbians and LGBT representation in comic books has always been high in comic books and successful series like 'Saga' which has won 12 Eisner Awards, 17 Harvey Awards and 4 Hugo Awards, has over 15 million sales worldwide and been met with wide critical acclaim as one of the most celebrated comics being published in the past decade and 'Rat Queens' which has also enjoyed similar success have had great LGBT representation but Hollywood has a major problem with bisexual female characters and lesbians.‘Red Sonja’ and ‘Vampirella’ have been around for decades and are still going now. ‘Fathom’, ‘Soulfire’, ‘the Magdalena’, ‘The Ravening’, ‘Belladonna’, ‘Hellina’, ‘Sheena: Queen of the Jungle’ and ‘Lady Death’ have all come back and have new series now. ‘Hack/Slash’ is returning with two new series in October (one of which is a team up series with Vampirella) and Witchblade is returning with a new team up series with ‘Spawn’ and a new ‘Witchblade’ series is in the works which could have Danielle Baptiste (one of the most popular LGBT characters in comics) taking over as lead since Marc has said they won’t be using Sara again. I have no doubt movies of Witchblade, Red Sonja Hack/Slash, Vampirella, Darkchylde, Sunstone (could be one of the most popular LGBT movies ever made with its fanbase now) and even Wonderland by Zenoscope could work as movies and be huge hits for the Horror genre and a lot of Horror directors have said the same thing including the recently deceased Tobe Hooper and Stephen King who have said in interviews Horror comic books are better than a lot of the Horror movies being made now and people should be making movies of them. The Horror/Superhero genre is something that has never been fully explored in movies and a lot of it is made up of female lead comic book series such as the ones I mentioned and could get fans of both Horror and superhero movies going to the cinemas to see them. I know lots of people who don’t just want a ‘Hack/Slash’ movie but a ‘Hack/Slash’ movie franchise and believe it could be more successful than the ‘Resident Evil’ and ‘Underworld’ franchises which I completely agree with ‘cause Cassie Hack is an awesome character and is like nothing we have had on screen before with a female character. What makes Cassie great too is she is over the top and in your face and her friend Vlad (who looks like Jason Vorhees) and her make a great team going around killing slashers. Brad Dourif even wants a ‘Hack/Slash’ movie and he has said he will play Chucky in it who is one of the many Horror characters they had in the series but the lack of a 'Hack/Slash' movie despite its success is most likely 'cause Cassie is Bisexual. Tim Seeley even said there were studios in the past that have wanted to straightwash Cassie Hack for 'Hack/Slash' but he wouldn't budge 'cause of the importance of LGBT representation on screen which I praise him for 'cause Cassie is Bi and main love interest is Georgia Peaches and the real woman Cassie Hack was based on is a lesbian.If the ‘Razor’ movie is successful which Rob Cohen like the studio believe it is going to be since there is already a sequel and movie of her sister, ‘Strike’ in the works along with 'Avengelyne' it will change everything going ahead with female Horror comic book series and it is then we might FINALLY get 'Red Sonja', ‘Hack/Slash, ‘Vampirella’ ‘Darkchylde', 'Fallen Angel', 'Lady Death', 'Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose' etc as Horror movies which will be about time!! Supergirl (Linda Danvers/Earth Born Angel) isn’t a legacy character since DC have to pay Peter David every time they use her just like they are right now with the ‘Linda Danvers’ series being re-released in graphic novel form for the very first time. DC have fully sold the rights to the first few issues of the follow up series, ‘Fallen Angel’ to Peter David and he is now re-releasing it and the issues under IDW together in graphic novel form. Linda Danvers was more powerful than Superman and in the last few issues was described as the most powerful being in DC when she had her powers fully restored. The movie was going to be made in the early 00s AFTER we already had 5 Superman movies and 2 TV shows.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 11:51:11 GMT
Series like Ant Man, Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy are only more well known than Ms Marvel 'cause they have movies. I didn't know a single person who even knew of Ant Man or Guardians of the Galaxy before they had their own movies and I know a lot of people (including comic book fans who were big Spawn and Witchblade fans). Ant Man, Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor were not sold here in Australia either but the 'Ms Marvel' series by Brian Reed was along with Spider Woman who I don't know a single person who doesn't know who Spider Woman is. Thor was more well known for being a character from mythology up until Chris Hemsworth played the character.I've been a comic book collector for most of my life and I can tell you that pre-cinema adaptation Ant Man, Thor and Guardians were not less known than Ms Marvel. If you know comic book fans that have never heard of them then they either have no knowledge pre-modern age titles and/or are only interested in publications outside Marvel/DC. Ant-Man & Thor were founding members of The Avengers back in 1960, the first incarnation of the Guardians have been around since 1969, and when the second incarnation was released in 2008 it was selling out. A lot of the female titles you mention Lady Death, Chastity, Demon Slayer for example, seem to be partly printed for the titilation of pubescent fanboys - they seem (or at least the copies I have in my collection) to be stuck in the godawful big tits mini waist art representation of women from the 90's . (Some even had "x-rated" pin-up books). Maybe that's why big studios avoided some of them. As for those you mention that are Marvel characters...who owns them? Marvel were terrible at managing there properties for years and it's not as cut and dry as, if it was a Marvel character Marvel own it. Now I admit that Marvel may not have as many top name female characters as DC...but isn't how they are represented far more important than having their name across the top of the cover. Which is better a strong female character part of a team (Storm for example, leader of the X-Men) or a weak embarrassing chauvanistic view of a woman (Wonder Woman for the 25 years after the war...believe me some of those issues have got to be seen to be believed). No the MCU hasn't given a headline film to a female character on the big screen, but the ones they have put on screen have for the most part been strong female characters, moreso than for example Harley Quinn, a scum bag pining for her boyfriend, whilst being sold as eye candy for its male audience. Also, yes DCEU has got to the female led CBM before MCU, but lets look at the Marvel/DC situations as a whole. Counting the films that Marvel had creative input (the first was Blade) they got to their first female led CBM in seven years with Elektra ( a character much better known in the comic book world than Ms Marvel). Their second film was a team film where half the team was female, in fact the X-Men series has been full of female comic book heroes. Probably more in the first few X films than in all of the films based on DC combined Now take the films DC had creative input (Starting with Batman in 1989 when DC came under Warner's umbrella). It took them 15 years to get to a female led comic book - Catwoman. And yes they did make a second one - Wonder Woman - 13 years after that, one more than Marvel. But look at the the whole of that period - there have been 9 headline films for Batman and/or Superman in 28 years. 28 years before they made a headline film for a character that is easily in the Top 3 or 4 of DC's most famous. She is easily in the Top 5 most famous comic book characters of all time (more famous than any of the Marvel characters that have made it to screen with the exception of Spider-Man). Why so long to put such a big name up on the screen? A character with such a high profile and brand. Accusations of sexism can be aimed at either (and probably all) publishers/production companies. Ant Man, Thor and Guardians of the Galaxy weren’t sold here. The main comic book series that were sold here were Archie, Garfield, Superman, Spider-Man, Batman, Supergirl (Linda Danvers and Kara), Spawn, X Men, Fantastic Four, Witchblade, Cyberforce, Sonic the hedgehog, The Phantom (the biggest selling superhero of all time here in Australia), Birds of Prey, Green Lantern, Teen Titans, Red Sonja, the Incredible Hulk, Nightwing, Disney, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the Flash, Youngblood, Fathom, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Wildcats, Aphrodite IX, Gen 13, Evil Ernie, Men In Black, Vampirella, the Simpsons and TV show comics like. In the last 10-15 years we have had the additions of Ms Marvel (Brian Reed), Green Arrow, Iron Man, Batgirl, Hack/Slash, Catwoman, Guardians of the Galaxy (since the movie), Deathstroke, Batwoman, Saga, Black Panther, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Smallville, Charmed and Xena. Light superheroes weren't very popular here in the late 80s and 90s and a lot of my friends thought spandex was lame and made fun of Superman for wearing his underwear on the outside. They were into dark heroes like Spawn and got series imported from America like the Crow, Faust, the Darkness, the Punisher, Painkiller Jane, Soulfire, Pandora, Criminal Macabre, Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, Nomad, Swamp Thing and Avengelyne.That can easily be changed for movies and TV shows and already has been with Wynonna Earp (which was recently renewed for Season 3) as seen here and Van Heilsing.Mind you there have been multiple costume changes over the years too and superheroes like Vampirella (as HauntedKnight87) mentioned above has gone from this.ToAnd Witchblade has gone from. To much lesser revealing outfits and no costumes at all in the TV series same as the 'Painkiller Jane' show. Then some like 'Nancy In Hell' keep the same outfits but have new takes on them like the upcoming 'Nancy In Hell' TV Show which was filmed here and made by some of the people behind 'Mad Max: Fury Road.'
Costumes aren't the problem nor are body types. A lot of male superheroes aren't as muscular as they are in the comic books and the Flash is a skinny guy in the TV show and upcoming movie but in the comics was more the same build as Batman and Superman.
Which I have to admit looks kinda funny in live action and my Wifey can't take Barry seriously in his Flash costumebut that is besides the point, the problem is up until now Hollywood decided to get a list of all the biggest selling comic book series and skipped over all the female lead ones and the ones we did get like 'Catwoman' were written as parodies or based on scripts for different movies with some changes and the Catwoman name slapped on them (picture a Batman movie with a guy named Chuck who can turn into a bat and you have the Catwoman movie) or sequels to movies that were so bad the lead actors (Ben Affleck) walked out and refused to ever make another one. Wonder Woman should have had a movie before Supergirl and Catwoman in the 80s. It had the fanbase and popularity to have been a big hit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 12:24:35 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 29, 2017 20:32:20 GMT
Um, Captain Marvel on recently got a push from Marvel. In like the past 10-15 years. Thor has been a big named character in the comics for decades. Same as Ant-man (but mostly as being a hated character for beating his wife). Guardians weren't as big as they are now, but they were there. Until recently the biggest thing Danvers had was giving Rogue her powers. She basically made another character famous. No. She didn't. Something a lot of people forget or aren't old enough to remember is Ms Marvel was a feminist icon and hugely popular character in the late 70s up until this. carolastrickland.com/comics/msmarvel/msmarvel2.htmlMarvel killed Ms Marvel's popularity the first time around by having her raped. Then there was Spider Woman/Jessica Drew who was one of the biggest selling superheroes in Marvel in the late 70s and early 80s (which is one of the main reasons she is Marvel's second biggest female superhero) and Archie Goodwin (the creator) later revealed one of the heads at Marvel sabotaged her and was constantly giving him a hard time 'cause he didn't like female superheroes and having a female Spider hero. Spider Woman was also supposed to exist in her own world separate from Spider-Man and Archie and Stan Lee thought it would be better if they didn't crossover 'cause the fans were against it but the same guy Archie was on bad terms with forced his hands and made Spider Woman a secondary character who reported to Spider-Man and it killed the sales. That is not to say DC has been perfect. 'The Killing Joke' is one of the most sexist events to happen in comic book history and everybody from Yvonne Craig, Adam West and even Alan Moore condemned what DC did to Batgirl. Batgirl was the second most popular female superhero in DC at the time and was a hero to a lot of young girls in a time were very few female superheroes got attention or were as popular as Batgirl and they basically raped her and put her in a wheelchair. Alan Moore revealed he was told to "Cripple the Bitch" and she would only be in a wheelchair for a short time and would recover like other male superheroes did but it wasn't until Gail Simone and Geoff Johns fixed Barbara and made her Batgirl again in 2011 that DC kept their word to him.
On the other hand killing 'Supergirl' off in 'Crisis on Infinite Earths' was the best thing DC did for the character 'cause her sales were going down the toilet after the awful movie and it lead to Linda Danvers taking on the mantle under Peter David which is the biggest selling Supergirl series of all time.
Don't get what all that Ms. Marvel part was suppose to mean besides what I said. Looks like someone was constantly trying to push her back and belittle her. Again, her biggest claim to fame is giving Rogue her powers. It's been only recently that they actually started giving her a push. But at the same time, I've seen that people are kinda upset that they made her one step away from being a butch lesbian. On the DC side, you're forgetting about Kyle Rayner and "Women in refrigerators." They created whole troupe after one scene in a DC comic had Major Force stuff his girlfriend Alexandra DeWitt into a fridge. This kick started lists about hero girlfriends being used as emotional tools. And the thing about Supergirl and Crisis is that DC knew they could reboot her. So killing her off had little purpose in the end.
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