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Post by snsurone on Sept 6, 2017 17:57:48 GMT
I rewatched the movie yesterday, just as lovely as I remembered. I can't really figure out what Mahout actually sells (The shop behind Gene Kelly). It says "Smoke Mahout", maybe it's a tobacco shop ?? Yes, it was a cigarette ad. Trivia: Back in the 19th century, cigarettes were sold with postcards of actresses in tights. Considered pornographic at the time, today these pictures would elicit either giggles or yawns.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 6, 2017 23:27:49 GMT
teleadm said : I can't really figure out what Mahout actually sells (The shop behind Gene Kelly). It says "Smoke Mahout", maybe it's a tobacco shop ??
Per Google-ing : Some other eagle eyed viewer asked that question as well. The reply : "The window says "smoke mahout" so it was probably a 1920's cigarette brand. All I know is that a Mahout is the driver of an elephant."
Funny I never even noticed the windows or the art school before !
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 0:50:39 GMT
Funny I never even noticed the windows or the art school before ! Those background details have always caught my eye, which tends to wander during the number. I'm clearly some sort of outlier, because it's frankly not much of a highlight of the film for me. Choreographically, it's neither terribly challenging nor impressive: little more than a damp soft shoe. Moses Supposes, Fit As A Fiddle, Good Morning, just about any portion of the massive Broadway Ballet or Make 'Em Laugh dazzle me far more with their variety, intricacy, complexity and energy. Whatever it is that generates such great affection for the number must be something that escapes me. Don't misunderstand: I have no dislike for it; it simply seems to me merely a pleasant if dispensable little interlude, apparently placed only to justify the film's title. But when it comes to Kelly's memorable "street numbers," I find much more excitement and interest in Cover Girl's Alter Ego or It's Always Fair Weather's I Like Myself. Perhaps we all have our isolated instances of nonconformity. This is one of mine.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 1:24:08 GMT
Perhaps we all have our isolated instances of nonconformity. That we do Doghouse6 , that we do ! Some more than others
I don't know just why the "damp soft shoe" appeals but it just makes me laugh when he gets to the STOMPING and the music soars. The other numbers are fantastic and I love seeing them as well. I actually love all of the musical numbers in Singin' with the exception of the ballet. I tend to fast forward over that one if I am still awake when it shows up. It's not that the film PUTS me to sleep but it's sometimes my "white noise" of choice as mentioned earlier. Eventually I do see the whole film, it's just a tad out of order! Now I suppose I shall have to watch it AGAIN to check out those store windows. Man, life is hard !
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Post by snsurone on Sept 7, 2017 12:47:51 GMT
Funny I never even noticed the windows or the art school before ! Those background details have always caught my eye, which tends to wander during the number. I'm clearly some sort of outlier, because it's frankly not much of a highlight of the film for me. Choreographically, it's neither terribly challenging nor impressive: little more than a damp soft shoe. Moses Supposes, Fit As A Fiddle, Good Morning, just about any portion of the massive Broadway Ballet or Make 'Em Laugh dazzle me far more with their variety, intricacy, complexity and energy. Whatever it is that generates such great affection for the number must be something that escapes me. Don't misunderstand: I have no dislike for it; it simply seems to me merely a pleasant if dispensable little interlude, apparently placed only to justify the film's title. But when it comes to Kelly's memorable "street numbers," I find much more excitement and interest in Cover Girl's Alter Ego or It's Always Fair Weather's I Like Myself. Perhaps we all have our isolated instances of nonconformity. This is one of mine. Dog, even Gene Kelly called it "a simple dance". I think that the reason it's so popular is because of Kelly's exuberant "joie de vivre" over the salvation of his career and finding true love. He is so happy in this number that it rubs off on the audience. Which I find rather odd, since there was absolutely no chemistry between him and Debbie Reynolds. In fact, I've often believed that the movie might have been better had Debbie been paired with Donald O'Connor and Cyd Charisse's role expanded (maybe as a big Broadway star "slumming" in the movies?) as Kelly's love interest.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 15:34:17 GMT
Doghouse6 IF (and only IF) this is the scenario of asking "What is your favorite Hollywood musical EVER ?" I would probably say BUT I sure would not be happy having to pick just one ! (know who the feller holding the knife is ? It's McGarret ! Really ! )
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 17:08:23 GMT
Doghouse6 IF (and only IF) this is the scenario of asking "What is your favorite Hollywood musical EVER ?" I would probably say BUT I sure would not be happy having to pick just one ! (know who the feller holding the knife is ? It's McGarret ! Really ! ) I can see it now (now that I've been told, that is); I guess I gave the photo too cursory a glance. I thought it was Neville Brand! D'ya remember Jack Lord's James Bond claim to fame? Now, what was your question again? Seriously, SITR's right up there, but there are probably a couple dozen I love equally well.
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Post by snsurone on Sept 7, 2017 17:24:25 GMT
I never stop being amazed at how you manage to turn even your own shouted threads into a negative reading experience. This is a WONDEROUS and joy filled movie with terrific performances by one and all , fantastic musical numbers, happy and sad moments. Case closed. Why rain on the parade with "shudda, wudda, cudda, " ? Hey, Bat, I think snsurone was just critiquing. I could do the same with almost every film I love.
As for me, I enjoy SIW, but I don't love it - I'm probably the only one in the world who doesn't. I think it's because I'm just not that much of a Gene Kelly fan. And I'm particularly not a Stanley Donen fan. But I do enjoy it, and I agree with snsurone that Jean Hagen steals the movie. Donald O'Conner is a lot of fun, too, and Reynolds is great in one of her early films. Dancing with O'Conner and Kelly - oh, man, that must have been daunting. I love the songs. I love the dancing. So I guess it's a bit of mixed blessing for me.
God bless you, Spidey! And I love your frisky little avatar, LOL.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 17:31:59 GMT
probably a couple dozen I love equally well. Doghouse6Yeah me too but there's that whole knife emergency thingy. I tend to avoid the lists of favorites, much less the BEST whatevers. Remember Lord in Dr.No ? Lord, No !
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Post by neurosturgeon on Sept 7, 2017 18:35:21 GMT
I am a fan of "The Bandwagon" but when I was n the hospital for five weeks, they had only two movies available for viewing on demand: SITR and West Side Story. The system auto shut off after two hours and would not let WSS end, so I kept playing SITR. Even being mostly blind, I could enjoy the music.
I find SITR a little overrated, but I think that the quaintness of the romanticized version of the early days of talkies appeals to many, including those in the industry.
For Gene Kelly, I prefer "Cover Girl."
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Post by snsurone on Sept 7, 2017 19:39:12 GMT
I love THE BAND WAGON; it's one of my favorites. I especially love the early number with Astaire and Leroy Daniels in the penny arcade. Once, I saw this movie in a revival theater, and that number received a loud round of applause from the movie audience. I'm also crazy about the song "That's Entertainment".
And y'know, I found the love story in this movie to be a lot more convincing than the one in SITR. Perhaps it's because Astaire and Charisse dance so beautifully together.
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Post by SciFive on Sept 7, 2017 20:08:04 GMT
I like Singing in the Rain.
Gene Kelly was a wonderful dancer, good singer, and good actor.
He's fun to watch along with the other stars in the movie.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 21:12:29 GMT
probably a couple dozen I love equally well. Doghouse6 Yeah me too but there's that whole knife emergency thingy. I tend to avoid the lists of favorites, much less the BEST whatevers. Remember Lord in Dr.No ? Lord, No ! I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one? Butcha know, now I think of it, there is a musical I loved before all the others (when my age was in single digits) and before I knew I loved musicals: Holiday Inn. 14 Irving Berlin songs, 5 Astaire numbers, witty and sophisticated script, great supporting cast, a little more heft to Astaire's role than usual at the time (playing a bit of a cad) and wonderful byplay between he and Crosby. And I never get tired of it. So while I'd still refuse to choose, I'll say that one has a special place at least by virtue of seniority. Lord yes: the first Felix Leiter (the only character to be played by a different actor in every film until 27 years into the series (and there have still been only two actors to have played him twice).
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Post by neurosturgeon on Sept 7, 2017 21:53:27 GMT
I love THE BAND WAGON; it's one of my favorites. I especially love the early number with Astaire and Leroy Daniels in the penny arcade. Once, I saw this movie in a revival theater, and that number received a loud round of applause from the movie audience. I'm also crazy about the song "That's Entertainment". And y'know, I found the love story in this movie to be a lot more convincing than the one in SITR. Perhaps it's because Astaire and Charisse dance so beautifully together. Dancing In The Dark is sheer elegance. Fred and Cyd are great!
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Post by snsurone on Sept 7, 2017 21:58:45 GMT
HOLIDAY INN is a good movie, but IMO, not a great one. Yes, the song and dance numbers of Crosby and Astaire are a treat for the eye and ear, but this film suffers from an extremely bland leading lady (Marjorie Reynolds), and the stereotyped characterizations of the inn's housekeeper (Louise Beavers) and her two children are cringe-inducing today. This is one of the most badly dated musicals in movie history.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 22:06:48 GMT
Doghouse6 RE: I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one?
Holiday Inn is on the extensive list of all time favorite movies, and not just in the "musical" category !
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 22:08:34 GMT
I love THE BAND WAGON; it's one of my favorites. I especially love the early number with Astaire and Leroy Daniels in the penny arcade. Once, I saw this movie in a revival theater, and that number received a loud round of applause from the movie audience. I'm glad you said that. It gives me sort of a point of reference from which to relate to others' love of the Singin' In the Rain number. Like that one, A Shine On Your Shoes is simple and undemanding, choreographically speaking, but it generates such a sense of fun that I find it as irresistible as others find Kelly's number. Thanks for invoking the comparison. And I'm sure with Linda on Dancing In the Dark: that one's so sublime I almost get misty watching it.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 22:21:00 GMT
HOLIDAY INN is a good movie, but IMO, not a great one. Yes, the song and dance numbers of Crosby and Astaire are a treat for the eye and ear, but this film suffers from an extremely bland leading lady (Marjorie Reynolds), and the stereotyped characterizations of the inn's housekeeper (Louise Beavers) and her two children are cringe-inducing today. This is one of the most badly dated musicals in movie history. I guess I like Marjorie Reynolds better than you do, but I will admit I'd have liked to have seen more of the sassy Virginia Dale. And I suppose the criticism about stereotyping is valid enough from a decades-later perspective (although it would tend to be one affecting just about every film featuring an African-American player made before the late-'50s at the very least). But I look at it rather as one might a flaw like back-seat-driving in a loved one: it's annoying, but you don't love 'em any less because of it. And when I first saw it on broadcast television, they were still running Amos 'n Andy in syndication (times change). It wasn't until my first viewing of it at a revival theater in the early '70s that I saw the Abraham number, which was always cut from the broadcasts where I lived.
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 7, 2017 22:26:40 GMT
Doghouse6 RE: I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one?
Holiday Inn is on the extensive list of all time favorite movies, and not just in the "musical" category ! Yep, here's where I step in, according to mecano04 , who has me scribbling away with a quill pen plotting elaborate murders: BAT OUTTAHECK [ shifting to the back corner of the room]: "Why, yes, Inspector, he did say he was going to cut his own throat." INSPECTOR DOPPLER [ massaging his moustache with obvious pleasure]: "Ahem! Is t'at so, sir? But ain't it true, sir, that Mr. Dog'ouse also said 'e'd only do t'at if 'e 'ad to narrow his favorite movie musicals down to one?" BAT OUTTAHECK: "Well..." DOPPLER [ motioning to a uniformed officer nearby]: "And is it also true, sir, t'at you were t'e one who asked him to come up with a list in the first place?" BAT OUTTAHECK: "But, Inspector, when he said he couldn't narrow it down, I..." DOPPLER: "T'at's no excuse, sir. The law, sir, does not play favorites like t'at." BAT OUTTAHECK [ utterly confused]: "That makes no sense! I..." DOPPLER [ coldly]: "I would advise you, sir, to--as t'ey say in t'e movies--tell it to t'e judge." CURTAIN on Act 1.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 22:32:51 GMT
NalkarjWould you happen to have the phone number for Sir Wilfred Roberts handy ? or maybe Clarence Darrow's ?
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