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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 7, 2017 22:35:34 GMT
BATouttaheckI don't, sadly, but I do have this guy's phone number: Hope that will suffice... 
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 7, 2017 22:37:42 GMT
Doghouse6 RE: I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one?
Holiday Inn is on the extensive list of all time favorite movies, and not just in the "musical" category ! Yep, here's where I step in, according to mecano04 , who has me scribbling away with a quill pen plotting elaborate murders: BAT OUTTAHECK [ shifting to the back corner of the room]: "Why, yes, Inspector, he did say he was going to cut his own throat?" INSPECTOR DOPPLER [ massaging his moustache with obvious pleasure]: "Ahem! Is t'at so, sir? But ain't it true, sir, that Mr. Dog'ouse also said 'e'd only do t'at if 'e 'ad to narrow his favorite movie musicals down to one?" BAT OUTTAHECK: "Well..." DOPPLER [ motioning to a uniformed officer nearby]: "And is it also true, sir, t'at you were t'e one who asked him to come up with a list in the first place?" BAT OUTTAHECK: "But, Inspector, when he said he couldn't narrow it down, I..." DOPPLER: "T'at's no excuse, sir. The law, sir, does not play favorites like t'at." BAT OUTTAHECK [ utterly confused]: "That makes no sense! I..." DOPPLER [ coldly]: "I would advise you, sir, to--as t'ey say in t'e movies--tell it to t'e judge." CURTAIN on Act 1. Stop, you're killin' me (wheeeeeze)! |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 7, 2017 22:39:44 GMT
RE: Hope that will suffice...
That'll do Nalkarj , that'll do ! <----- said in a farmer-ly accent !  |
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Post by mecano04 on Sept 9, 2017 20:50:57 GMT
Doghouse6 RE: I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one?
Holiday Inn is on the extensive list of all time favorite movies, and not just in the "musical" category ! Yep, here's where I step in, according to mecano04 , who has me scribbling away with a quill pen plotting elaborate murders: (...) So this is more like you?  or more like ?  |
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Post by petrolino on Sept 9, 2017 22:21:00 GMT
It has a certain kind of magic. 'Good Morning' is one of my favourite dance numbers from a musical, tremendous energy coupled with sheer unbridled joy.
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Post by teleadm on Sept 9, 2017 22:53:52 GMT
The one who mentioned The Band Wagon please stand up!!!!
To tell I like it Too!!
Singin' in the Rain, The Band Wagon and Kiss Me Kate was the top of MGM, much copied but never equaled, soon things changed Television came!!!! Why go to cinema when they sing top hit's on TV??
Gomden and Green: the bottom just opened, It's always Fair Weather opened at a Drive in!, we knew our days where counted,
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Post by Nalkarj on Sept 10, 2017 13:12:35 GMT
So this is more like you? or more like ? Let's say the latter, Mecano... |
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Post by snsurone on Sept 12, 2017 19:25:30 GMT
My favorite scene in this movie is the "Sneak Preview".
The awful exaggeration of sound was hilarious, especially the scrunching of Gene Kelly's costume and the loud clatter when he tosses his stick aside.
And then when the sound went out of sync, and it looked like Lina and the villain were speaking each other's lines.
Terrific!
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 17, 2017 2:11:46 GMT
  (whistle) |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Sept 17, 2017 3:01:07 GMT
(whistle) Ah, you just wanted to see if I was listening, didn't you? But I fetched the evening paper for you since I was on the way. So here's some bizarre trivia about Bobby Watson (as the diction coach in the clip): among his 91 credits in features and shorts, he played Adolf Hitler in 10 of them! Just saw him a couple nights back in Manhattan Parade, a 1931 all talking, all singing, all dancing, all Technicolor opus - from which all the singing and dancing was cut before release, and from which all the Technicolor is now absent - as a costume designer named (get this) Paisley. Interesting career: from textiles to tyrants to tongue-twisters. Aren't you glad you whistled? |
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Post by BATouttaheck on Sept 17, 2017 3:23:22 GMT
My gosh and my golly, am I ever glad I paid attention to Bacall when she gave those whistlin' lessons. I never cease to be amazed at the scope of the "stuff" you know and share.
Bobby Watson was another of those character actors who just are not given the credit they deserve. Did you notice that in Singin' he is, indeed, uncredited ? Watson as Hitler and Joe Devlin as Mussolini in The Nazty Nuisance (1943)  That affable looking man elocuting with Donald played Hitler in NINE movies ! This from the trivia section is so cool : ""The Hollywood publicity department joined by the U.S. State Department, during the Second World War, concocted a proposed surprise international propaganda hoax in 1944 - that I was to be flown to England in an Army Air Force B-29, with the plane landing in London. I was to be in film make-up and dressed as Adolf Hitler in his military uniform and overcoat. Posing as Hitler, I was to exit the aircraft, descending the airport landing-runway's stair-way, for the news photo-op propaganda headline that Hitler had been captured by the Allied Forces! Another actor dressed as Mussolini, was to follow me down the gangway! When the proposed propaganda stunt was announced to me, I adamantly refused to participate! My life chance surviving the hoax was not guaranteed! Without a doubt the stunt would have leaked out, some nut-job would have a gun, shoot to kill. My return ticket - across the Atlantic pond would be in a wooden box"." Thanks for pointing out another un-sung of Hollywood, Doghouse6 |
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Post by snsurone on Feb 8, 2019 22:25:38 GMT
I have only one complaint--not a major one.
I really don't like most of Debbie's costumes, and I especially hate that ugly hairdo.
Of course, as a chorus girl, Kathy couldn't afford the kind of wardrobe that Lina had, but even off-the-rack dresses could be more flattering than Kathy's.
Almost every dress was sleeveless, even when others wore warm clothes.
And what's with the bow on all her shoes?
The costume I dislike most is the peach-colored lace gown Kathy wore to the premiere.
As for that hair style--what was Freed thinking?
Maybe he wanted to make Debbie look older so that audiences wouldn't notice the 20-age gap between her and Gene Kelly.
If so, it didn't work.
Instead, Kathy looked like she was imitating her grandmother!
Sorry for such a late post here.
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Post by teleadm on Feb 9, 2019 15:41:51 GMT
I have only one complaint--not a major one. I really don't like most of Debbie's costumes, and I especially hate that ugly hairdo. Sorry for such a late post here. Don't feel sorry, old threads can always be used again!!! Why start new ones when there is old ones, that one can build upon. I think it was a wig, but I agree, but on the other hand, in olden years women tried to look mature (not Victor), not like today when botox filled heads occupies nearly every tv chanel. |
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Post by RomyLovesMick on Feb 9, 2019 16:56:35 GMT
I have only one complaint--not a major one. I really don't like most of Debbie's costumes, and I especially hate that ugly hairdo. Of course, as a chorus girl, Kathy couldn't afford the kind of wardrobe that Lina had, but even off-the-rack dresses could be more flattering than Kathy's. Almost every dress was sleeveless, even when others wore warm clothes. Walter Plunkett, who designed the costumes for Singin' in the Rain as well as Gone With the Wind and more than 200 other films, was one of the greatest costume designers in film history. In 1952's Singin' in the Rain Plunkett was recreating and at the same time lampooning the Roaring Twenties clothing styles he had played a large part in creating 30 years earlier. Debbie Reynolds was happy with her costumes in the film and added them to her private film costume collection. |
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Post by snsurone on Feb 9, 2019 17:28:59 GMT
I have only one complaint--not a major one. I really don't like most of Debbie's costumes, and I especially hate that ugly hairdo. Of course, as a chorus girl, Kathy couldn't afford the kind of wardrobe that Lina had, but even off-the-rack dresses could be more flattering than Kathy's. Almost every dress was sleeveless, even when others wore warm clothes. Walter Plunkett, who designed the costumes for Singin' in the Rain as well as Gone With the Wind and more than 200 other films, was one of the greatest costume designers in film history. In 1952's Singin' in the Rain Plunkett was recreating and at the same time lampooning the Roaring Twenties clothing styles he had played a large part in creating 30 years earlier. Debbie Reynolds was happy with her costumes in the film and added them to her private film costume collection. While Plunkett's costumes for GWTW were superb (well--except for Scarlett's "drapery dress". I couldn't believe that the fashion-conscious Rhett couldn't see how phony it was! Honestly, a curtain tie as a belt??). But I do take issue that he "was one of the great costume designers in film history". IMHO, that honor belongs to Adrian, with Edith Head and Orry-Kelly close seconds. And, yes, Debbie kept that "Good Mornin' " dress until she sold it in 2012. But I think it's pretty ugly, second to the lace "shmattah" I mentioned before. The only costumes Debbie wore that I liked were the gray suit and hat in her first scene, and the cute mini-outfit during her dance number at the party. |
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Post by snsurone on Feb 9, 2019 21:01:48 GMT
HOLIDAY INN is basically an excellent movie, with its song-and-dance numbers and its superb Irving Berlin music--especially the classic "White Christmas".
But, IMHO, what keeps it from becoming a true classic is the performance of Marjorie Reynolds as the leading lady.
As both an actress and a dancer, she couldn't hold a candle to Ginger Rogers!
Pity that Paramount couldn't borrow Rogers from RKO, but I guess her home studio demanded too much money.
Reynolds did improve with experience as an actress, especially in her role as Peg on the TV series THE LIFE OF RILEY.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Feb 9, 2019 22:12:54 GMT
HOLIDAY INN is basically an excellent movie, with its song-and-dance numbers and its superb Irving Berlin music--especially the classic "White Christmas". But, IMHO, what keeps it from becoming a true classic is the performance of Marjorie Reynolds as the leading lady. As both an actress and a dancer, she couldn't hold a candle to Ginger Rogers! Pity that Paramount couldn't borrow Rogers from RKO, but I guess her home studio demanded too much money. Reynolds did improve with experience as an actress, especially in her role as Peg on the TV series THE LIFE OF RILEY. As it happened, Rogers worked at Paramount - for Billy Wilder on The Major and the Minor - not long after Holiday Inn wrapped (she also did a couple for 20th-Fox in the midst of her RKO work around that time). In any event, it's unlikely she'd have been interested in an Astaire reunion so soon after their parting, as she was by then an Oscar winner who was spreading her wings in all manner of non-musical projects. It's equally unlikely the idea would have appealed to Astaire, who was just as happy as Rogers to be on his own, as it were, without being tethered to a regular onscreen partner. The casting of someone of Rogers's stature would have thrown the Holiday Inn mix out of balance and, without major script revisions, it would just have seemed all wrong for Crosby rather than Astaire to have ended up with Rogers at the fade-out (even though it could have been an amusing in-joke). But as I suggested back in Sept of '17 on this thread, I have no objections at all to Reynolds, and really find her quite pleasant and complimentary to both Crosby and Astaire. No one could call her a triple-threat, as her vocals were provided by another singer, but the same was true of other Astaire partners such as Rita Hayworth, Vera-Ellen and Cyd Charisse. |
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Post by Doghouse6 on Feb 9, 2019 22:30:38 GMT
I don't suppose I could get away with telling you I'd sooner cut my throat than narrow it down to one? Butcha know, now I think of it, there is a musical I loved before all the others (when my age was in single digits) and before I knew I loved musicals: Holiday Inn. 14 Irving Berlin songs, 5 Astaire numbers, witty and sophisticated script, great supporting cast, a little more heft to Astaire's role than usual at the time (playing a bit of a cad) and wonderful byplay between he and Crosby. And I never get tired of it. So while I'd still refuse to choose, I'll say that one has a special place at least by virtue of seniority. I'm with you on this, doghouse. It's always been one of my favorites and always will be. Can't beat the music, the dancing, and the singing. And I enjoy Marjorie Reynolds opposite Crosby. I think they're a good match.
Over time I've come to appreciate Singin' in the Rain, but it will never mean as much to me as Holiday Inn does.
I came to an appreciation of Singin' In the Rain relatively late, when I began seeing it at revival houses in the '70s (up until then, I'd seen only brutally truncated TV broadcasts). Among the aspects of Holiday Inn that shine is working so much truly entertaining plot into such a concentration of musical interludes, and how well these are integrated without one seeming to crowd out or interfere with the other. It's like a box of chocolates containing only those varieties you like best with no disappointing surprises (apologies to Forrest Gump). |
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Feb 9, 2019 22:31:35 GMT
I always remember this scene from the movie (especially the end)...
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Post by snsurone on Feb 9, 2019 23:26:38 GMT
Great clip, Chalice--except for that damned crawl in the middle advertising annuities!
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