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Post by Jedan Archer on Sept 16, 2017 13:28:21 GMT
Transformers has won an Oscar? I would have rather placed it in the MCU yard, with no Oscars but big formulaic kiddy-fun. The MCU has won Oscars as well. Oh, interesting, an Imaginary Oscar I would presume. Or can you enlighten me otherwise?
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Post by scabab on Sept 16, 2017 15:17:16 GMT
That's not nearly an apples to apples comparison. Movies make a vast amount more money now than they did before the start of the decade. I bet Wonder Woman wouldn't have even made half that $800 million if it had come out in 2003 or something. nonsense dude, you are shifting goalposts and engage in idle speculation. Both DCEU and MCU are artistically questionable, we can squabble about that endlessly. But the numbers for the 4 first movies are facts and speak a clear language regardless of your spin and bias. And the most successful, money making movies come from previous decades. Nah it is actually a fact that movies make a ton more than they used to. 1. There's several years worth of inflation. 2. 3D is now a major thing to most blockbusters. The first four Marvel movies didn't have it so didn't benefit from the increased ticket prices that the DC movies did. 3. The overseas market blew up. Superheroes movies make $100 million or more in China alone now but back then Iron Man only makes $15 million and Iron Man 2 made $8 million. Then there was the boom and so Iron Man 3 made $121 million.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 16, 2017 16:17:23 GMT
The MCU has won Oscars as well. Oh, interesting, an Imaginary Oscar I would presume. Or can you enlighten me otherwise? *Looks on IMDb Prime * Welp, looks like you were right and I was wrong, they've gotten nominations but haven't won one yet. Weird, I could've sworn Iron Man or Iron Man 2 won for best VFX, guess my memory isn't what it used to be.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 16, 2017 16:17:24 GMT
nonsense dude, you are shifting goalposts and engage in idle speculation. Both DCEU and MCU are artistically questionable, we can squabble about that endlessly. But the numbers for the 4 first movies are facts and speak a clear language regardless of your spin and bias. And the most successful, money making movies come from previous decades. Nah it is actually a fact that movies make a ton more than they used to. 1. There's several years worth of inflation. 2. 3D is now a major thing to most blockbusters. The first four Marvel movies didn't have it so didn't benefit from the increased ticket prices that the DC movies did. 3. The overseas market blew up. Superheroes movies make $100 million or more in China alone now but back then Iron Man only makes $15 million and Iron Man 2 made $8 million. Then there was the boom and so Iron Man 3 made $121 million. lol amigo, mighty convenient arguments for some movies released less then 10 years ago 2008-2011/12 vis-a-vis films released as from 2013. But fair enough;I counter with: The DCEU films had made tons more money back then in 2008 et seqq than now because 1. Superhero fatigue has set in, 2. Disney-MCU currently has pretty much a dominant market position (as DC had for decades before) tainting the dark/gritty CMB a la Nolan with it's formulaic kiddy appeal, 4. During the TDK hype/shortly after people would have stormed the cinemas even more for Supes and WW 3. Most important the factor of entropy, if we factor that in (i) Δ U = W + Q {Delta U=W+Q} not to forget (ii) Δ F = Δ U − T Δ S, the DCEU around 2009 would have made at least 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 times more money gross than in 2013 et seqq (Euros of course, not USD). I do not even have to bet, I have the entropy numbers on my side.
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Post by scabab on Sept 16, 2017 16:30:09 GMT
Nah it is actually a fact that movies make a ton more than they used to. 1. There's several years worth of inflation. 2. 3D is now a major thing to most blockbusters. The first four Marvel movies didn't have it so didn't benefit from the increased ticket prices that the DC movies did. 3. The overseas market blew up. Superheroes movies make $100 million or more in China alone now but back then Iron Man only makes $15 million and Iron Man 2 made $8 million. Then there was the boom and so Iron Man 3 made $121 million. lol amigo, mighty convenient arguments for some movies released less then 10 years ago 2008-2011/12 vis-a-vis films released as from 2013. But fair enough;I counter with: The DCEU films had made tons more money back then in 2008 et seqq than now because 1. Superhero fatigue has set in, 2. Disney-MCU currently has pretty much a dominant market position (as DC had for decades before) tainting the dark/gritty CMB a la Nolan with it's formulaic kiddy appeal, 4. During the TDK hype/shortly after people would have stormed the cinemas even more for Supes and WW 3. Most important the factor of entropy, if we factor that in (i) Δ U = W + Q {Delta U=W+Q} not to forget (ii) Δ F = Δ U − T Δ S, the DCEU around 2009 would have made at least 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 times more money gross than in 2013 et seqq (Euros of course, not USD). I do not even have to bet, I have the entropy numbers on my side. That's not convenient, that's when the overseas market boomed. It began around mid 2010 when 3D started to pick up following the success of Avatar and then Alice in Wonderland. 1. There is no Superhero fatigue. We get more Superheroes movie than ever before and they all make a lot of money. 2. That's an assumption and unlikely anyway. Spider-man being a massive hit in 2002 didn't stop Hulk and Daredevil from flopping in 2003. The only fair comparison to be made is to compare the DCEU movies from 2013-2017 to the MCU movies from 2013-2017.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Sept 16, 2017 16:57:59 GMT
lol amigo, mighty convenient arguments for some movies released less then 10 years ago 2008-2011/12 vis-a-vis films released as from 2013. But fair enough;I counter with: The DCEU films had made tons more money back then in 2008 et seqq than now because 1. Superhero fatigue has set in, 2. Disney-MCU currently has pretty much a dominant market position (as DC had for decades before) tainting the dark/gritty CMB a la Nolan with it's formulaic kiddy appeal, 4. During the TDK hype/shortly after people would have stormed the cinemas even more for Supes and WW 3. Most important the factor of entropy, if we factor that in (i) Δ U = W + Q {Delta U=W+Q} not to forget (ii) Δ F = Δ U − T Δ S, the DCEU around 2009 would have made at least 3,14159 26535 89793 23846 times more money gross than in 2013 et seqq (Euros of course, not USD). I do not even have to bet, I have the entropy numbers on my side. That's not convenient, that's when the overseas market boomed. It began around mid 2010 when 3D started to pick up following the success of Avatar and then Alice in Wonderland. 1. There is no Superhero fatigue. We get more Superheroes movie than ever before and they all make a lot of money. 2. That's an assumption and unlikely anyway. Spider-man being a massive hit in 2002 didn't stop Hulk and Daredevil from flopping in 2003. The only fair comparison to be made is to compare the DCEU movies from 2013-2017 to the MCU movies from 2013-2017. what's fair dude? You circumvented my Euro based entropy calculation, it's the God particle of comparative-temporal box office assessments based on the Bayesian statistical method crossed with the Higgs Boson approach. Is that fair? But OK, if you so insist we can agree to vehemently disagree... (and I bet Logan would have fairly beaten them all including TDK if released in 2008).
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 16, 2017 17:18:08 GMT
The first 4 MCU were Iron Man who was hardly known outside of the comic book fandom, and that made $500 million WW. The Incredible Hulk which came out after a shitty first film, Iron Man 2, which made more than its sequel, and Thor, who was also hardly known outside of the comic book fandom, and that went on to do $450 million. As an MCU fan, I'm really proud of the first 4 movies. As for Oscars, who gives a shit? Do you know how many quality movies and great filmmakers go home empty handed on Oscar night? It's not DC's fault they have the rights to all of their properties and have loaded their films with lots of characters. Though MoS and WW were solo films. Wonder Woman outgrossed Civil War domestically. That's what makes it even more special. Marvel did it without their popular franchises; Spider-Man, X-Men, and Fantastic Four. They didn't have a choice, but Marvel took the risks on the characters they did have. And if WB had all the rights to all of the DC characters, why didn't they start a cinematic universe first? Was it because they didn't have the balls?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 17:30:29 GMT
The first 4 MCU were Iron Man who was hardly known outside of the comic book fandom, and that made $500 million WW. The Incredible Hulk which came out after a shitty first film, Iron Man 2, which made more than its sequel, and Thor, who was also hardly known outside of the comic book fandom, and that went on to do $450 million. As an MCU fan, I'm really proud of the first 4 movies. As for Oscars, who gives a shit? Do you know how many quality movies and great filmmakers go home empty handed on Oscar night? It's not DC's fault they have the rights to all of their properties and have loaded their films with lots of characters. Though MoS and WW were solo films. Wonder Woman outgrossed Civil War domestically. Civil War beat Batman v Superman AND Suicide Squad domestically and internationally. You seem to conveniently forget that a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 18:54:24 GMT
It's not DC's fault they have the rights to all of their properties and have loaded their films with lots of characters. Though MoS and WW were solo films. Wonder Woman outgrossed Civil War domestically. Civil War beat Batman v Superman AND Suicide Squad domestically and internationally. You seem to conveniently forget that a lot. Well it was Avengers 2.5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 19:15:30 GMT
Civil War beat Batman v Superman AND Suicide Squad domestically and internationally. You seem to conveniently forget that a lot. Well it was Avengers 2.5 Nope. It was Captain America 3. You're just unwilling to admit that the DCEU isn't sitting on top. Besides, you don't get to use that excuse. BvS had Superman, Batman, AND Wonder Woman.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 16, 2017 21:14:01 GMT
Once you revealed that those four movies had an average Rotten Tomatoes score of less than 50%, I'd say you were talking about DECU or Transformers. Transformers has won an Oscar? I would have rather placed it in the MCU yard, with no Oscars but big formulaic kiddy-fun. No one has died yet.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 16, 2017 21:16:34 GMT
Civil War beat Batman v Superman AND Suicide Squad domestically and internationally. You seem to conveniently forget that a lot. Well it was Avengers 2.5 It was Cap's movie. You're still having trouble with the concept of the Shared Universe.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 16, 2017 21:19:10 GMT
If you really care about amount of money made Isn't that the exact standard ar ar and many others here use?
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 17, 2017 0:33:17 GMT
The MCU has won Oscars as well. Oh, interesting, an Imaginary Oscar I would presume. Or can you enlighten me otherwise? MCU fans always like to make up BS.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 17, 2017 1:08:01 GMT
Oh, interesting, an Imaginary Oscar I would presume. Or can you enlighten me otherwise? DCEU fans always like to make up BS. Fixed.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Sept 17, 2017 20:16:04 GMT
Oh, interesting, an Imaginary Oscar I would presume. Or can you enlighten me otherwise? MCU fans always like to make up BS. Kind of like you make up BS saying we hate U.S. soldiers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 14:26:34 GMT
It was Cap's movie. You're still having trouble with the concept of the Shared Universe. I'm sorry, but the General Audiences saw it as an Avengers film. I remember when it came out, some of my co-workers (who know nothing about the difference between DC or Marvel, or FOX or Sony... etc) were like "Hey, were going to see that Avengers movie this weekend."
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Post by DSDSquared on Sept 18, 2017 14:34:18 GMT
Who cares? This is what gets me about DCEU fans, besides the amazing fact that they even exist. They care so much about beating the MCU and making money. They are not concerned with quality. The FACT is that MCU makes better films. They just do. Nothing else matters.
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Post by DC-Fan on Sept 18, 2017 15:14:24 GMT
The FACT is that MCU makes better films. The FACT is MCU makes crappy films.
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Post by damngumby on Sept 18, 2017 15:22:43 GMT
There are no FACTS to support that. All FACTS indicate that the collection of MCU films are of a much high quality than the DCEU stuff. Even your little list of 50 greatest super hero movies shows that. Christ, half of the DCEU films couldn't even make the list!
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