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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 8, 2017 17:39:12 GMT
So, to summarize, even on an MCU-forum we have an overwhelming agreement that the X-Men must remain with Fox. Reading through this was interesting, in a nutshell the results of the discussions are as follows: Perfect summary! Hey DC-Fan, Logan is more deserving of an Oscar than Wonder Woman is.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 17:39:19 GMT
The RO comment intrigues me as a big Star Wars nerd; why Rogue One specifically rather than any others? AND ARE YOU INCLUDING THE EWOK MOVIES?!?!!1 As Lucy from Twin Peaks would say: "It could make a difference." Rogue One was despite its faults an intruiging film. Im split on that one. I have never seen the Ewok films. They are for kids. I know. I saw them... as a kid! But even if I hadn't, I'd still check them out. As a point of information, though, and most respectfully: all of the Star Wars movies are "for kids."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 18:01:17 GMT
Rogue One was despite its faults an intruiging film. Im split on that one. I have never seen the Ewok films. They are for kids. I know. I saw them... as a kid! But even if I hadn't, I'd still check them out. As a point of information, though, and most respectfully: all of the Star Wars movies are "for kids." I agree but some more than others.
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 8, 2017 18:06:32 GMT
I re-watch Iron Man at least once a year. My condolences. What do you mean? Iron Man is actually a good movie.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 18:07:19 GMT
I know. I saw them... as a kid! But even if I hadn't, I'd still check them out. As a point of information, though, and most respectfully: all of the Star Wars movies are "for kids." I agree but some more than others.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 8, 2017 18:12:57 GMT
Not really to be honest. If it winds up being that way, fine.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 18:47:18 GMT
Not really to be honest. If it winds up being that way, fine.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 8, 2017 20:27:04 GMT
Eh, Deadpool was made by Ryan Reynolds. No one at Fox WANTED to make it. Now that they're involved they'll mess it up. The X-Men movies are utter formula. No innovation or political storylines at all. The MCU wins there, with how they've been showing more innovation than other CBMs in years. Logan had the artificial boosters of being Jackman's last hurrah which gave it an easy time from critics and audiences. It's a one-shot deal, not something FOX can repeat. DOFP had the artificial boosters of the old cast coming back for a Retcon to give them a silly fairytale ending. Apocalypse showed that FOX can't keep it up. Tony Stark and Dr Strange's storylines are straight out of the original comics, they predate Logan by at least a decade. If anything, Logan's arc owes to them. The only drawback I can see to the X-Men in the MCU is that mutants wouldn't be the center of the Universe anymore because there's also aliens and magic and non-mutant superhumans. X-Men fans have always hated the idea of the world not revolving around mutants for whatever petty reason. Did you know that they define Insanity as saying the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results...? I don't expect different results, but I know truth is truth even if you don't want to hear it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 8, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
Logan was the least predictable and most disturbing CBM in recent memory. It's a graphic novel rather. I'd say they created Miller's Dark Knight Returns for the X-Men Universe by thinking this character to the uncompromising end. It's up there. It was totally predictable. Some Human Science being behind it all, Xavier dying, Logan dying, X-23 getting the torch Logan passes....all predictable. Dark Knight Returns was loaded with over-the-top campy humor and satire. People keep forgetting this.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 20:37:19 GMT
Logan was the least predictable and most disturbing CBM in recent memory. It's a graphic novel rather. I'd say they created Miller's Dark Knight Returns for the X-Men Universe by thinking this character to the uncompromising end. It's up there. It was totally predictable. Some Human Science being behind it all, Xavier dying, Logan dying, X-23 getting the torch Logan passes....all predictable. Dark Knight Returns was loaded with over-the-top campy humor and satire. People keep forgetting this.
I don't remember that at all. I remember being boring and depressing and having weird classist/Randian overtones and just wanting it to end and absolutely hating it the longer it went... ... But I don't remember much, if any, camp. I could see an argument for satire, although I would argue that it's underdeveloped at best.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 8, 2017 20:40:27 GMT
It was totally predictable. Some Human Science being behind it all, Xavier dying, Logan dying, X-23 getting the torch Logan passes....all predictable. Dark Knight Returns was loaded with over-the-top campy humor and satire. People keep forgetting this.
I don't remember that at all. I remember being boring and depressing and having weird classist/Randian overtones and just wanting it to end and absolutely hating it the longer it went... ... But I don't remember much, if any, camp. I could see an argument for satire, although I would argue that it's underdeveloped at best. The whole stuff with the President looking like Ronald Reagan, Batman dressing up like an old wino woman and fighting a female Nazi with Swastikas on her breasts...off the top of my head.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 20:41:32 GMT
I don't remember that at all. I remember being boring and depressing and having weird classist/Randian overtones and just wanting it to end and absolutely hating it the longer it went... ... But I don't remember much, if any, camp. I could see an argument for satire, although I would argue that it's underdeveloped at best. The whole stuff with the President looking like Ronald Reagan, Batman dressing up like an old wino woman and fighting a female Nazi with Swastikas on her breasts...off the top of my head. I mean, I'll admit to being a little toasted, but I wasn't high out of my mind. Did we watch the same movie?!
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 8, 2017 20:42:01 GMT
The whole stuff with the President looking like Ronald Reagan, Batman dressing up like an old wino woman and fighting a female Nazi with Swastikas on her breasts...off the top of my head. I mean, I'll admit to being a little toasted, but I wasn't high out of my mind. Did we watch the same movie?! Yes, and it was in the comics too.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 8, 2017 20:47:26 GMT
I mean, I'll admit to being a little toasted, but I wasn't high out of my mind. Did we watch the same movie?! Yes, and it was in the comics too. Oh. Well, whatever. I only saw the movie once because it sucked, so my recall is -- pun intended -- hazy at best.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 23:35:08 GMT
Iron: Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. Affleck: Fair enough. I however find it difficult to get invested in him because we're only seeing this Batman at his worst. Not being along for the ride in his personal journey which led him to such a dark place didn't help. In light of BvS, I am now of the firm opinion that we need to see the best of any given Batman before they take him down such a dark route.
Yeah, they never really established what exactly is this specific Bruce's background prior to BvS. I remember sort of wondering exactly what, if anything, from any of the previous flicks was canon when I started watching it but decided that fixating on it would detract from taking in the movie and sort of just forgot about it. I guess Suicide Squad gives us some background to that effect, at least with respect to those specific characters (Joker, Harley, Deadshot, Croc, and whoever else). I couldn't get past the world's greatest Detective being a total chump at Lex Luther's beckon call and a xenophobic murderer for the whole movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 0:50:06 GMT
Yeah, they never really established what exactly is this specific Bruce's background prior to BvS. I remember sort of wondering exactly what, if anything, from any of the previous flicks was canon when I started watching it but decided that fixating on it would detract from taking in the movie and sort of just forgot about it. I guess Suicide Squad gives us some background to that effect, at least with respect to those specific characters (Joker, Harley, Deadshot, Croc, and whoever else). I couldn't get past the world's greatest Detective being a total chump at Lex Luther's beckon call and a xenophobic murderer for the whole movie. Eh, Bruce's skills as a detective vary from incarnation to incarnation...and it's pretty easy to be a detective when your enemies leave calling cards at the scene of the crime.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 0:53:52 GMT
I couldn't get past the world's greatest Detective being a total chump at Lex Luther's beckon call and a xenophobic murderer for the whole movie. Eh, Bruce's skills as a detective vary from incarnation to incarnation...and it's pretty easy to be a detective when your enemies leave calling cards at the scene of the crime. Yeah, but its not like Lex was exactly subtle in BvS.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 9, 2017 6:58:54 GMT
OP your assumption was wrong. sure it is an MCU board but it does not mean people cant make common sense on a topic here. the most sense is to give the correct answer and from your poll that answer is NO.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 9, 2017 10:20:26 GMT
Logan was the least predictable and most disturbing CBM in recent memory. It's a graphic novel rather. I'd say they created Miller's Dark Knight Returns for the X-Men Universe by thinking this character to the uncompromising end. It's up there. It was totally predictable. Some Human Science being behind it all, Xavier dying, Logan dying, X-23 getting the torch Logan passes....all predictable. Dark Knight Returns was loaded with over-the-top campy humor and satire. People keep forgetting this. Wrong. You've just surmised the basic plot elements that anyone could have predicted before Logan, or any other film. Every MCU movie in that sense is predictable if your listing major plot points. What was not predictable about Logan is how his mindset started and ended. From feeling a sense of responsibility to be a carer, to reducing himself in menial work, becoming conflicted about protecting innocents all in the backdrop of slowly losing his lifelong powers and not admitting to Caliban that he is dying and has suicidal tendencies. None of that is predictable because weve never fully seen it in any other Wolverine film. Xavier was always going to die. Logan probably too. Doesnt take a genius to figure that out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 10:39:57 GMT
OP your assumption was wrong. sure it is an MCU board but it does not mean people cant make common sense on a topic here. Ah, typical FoX-Fan pretentiousness....where would we be without it?
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