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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 9, 2017 13:58:08 GMT
Of course its going to be a comedy, cant you tell from trailers and the fact they chose a director whose best work is in comedy. Only Marvel could take a story that is centric in death and the destruction of everything and make it into a lighthearted, 90 minute comic sketch. Watch the damn movie before you say stuff like this. Even in WWI when the soldiers were being shelled day in and day out they found time to joke about stuff, it's just what people do. oh, contenance, please! You would not rise up to him and deflect that heavily if he hadn't a very valid, on the nose, point.
But mind you: if in this movie all protagonists are brutally killed by Loki's offspring and the universe freezes down and ceases to exist (what Ragnaröck is supposed to be being the Norse Twilight of the Gods), he will have to aplologize to you and Marvel.
But the door swings both ways, samy: If MCU uses the epitome of mythological death and destruction just for fun to boost a silly CGI-clobber film as the trailers suggest, you will have to apoligize to charzhino big time.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 9, 2017 13:59:05 GMT
Okay, my excitement just increased. And I love how people are saying Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie steals the show. The humor was expected as Taika Waititi is a funny guy. OVER WHELMING LYPOSITIVE
Those just ramped me up to 11!!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 9, 2017 14:01:06 GMT
Of course its going to be a comedy, cant you tell from trailers and the fact they chose a director whose best work is in comedy. Only Marvel could take a story that is centric in death and the destruction of everything and make it into a lighthearted, 90 minute comic sketch. Why are you making that sound like a bad thing?
These films have always gotten dramatic when they needed to, and they aren't going to make some dark brooding film from start to finish.
So your comments really make no sense. It would be like complaining that a horror film isn't funny. Yeah, it's not supposed to be. And Marvel films aren't supposed to be constantly intense. Your expectations are off here, not the films.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 14:07:20 GMT
You know I like The Dark World. I even made a appreciation thread here a few months back. But still to me, its the weakest film in the MCU. I dont hate it, I just like the other 15 more. If I had to pick one I would say the weakest clearly is Incredible Hulk. I really don't see how TDW is below that, but I agree with you that all of them are great!!! I also don't do ranking lists and clump them more into groups, so basically I would just say there are AVG, CW, GOTG, TWS as the true cream of the crop, and then more or less everything is great, with maybe the exception of Hulk at the bottom. But I don't view TDW as a poorly made or anything. Captain America: Civil War Captain America: The Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 The Avengers Spider-man Homecoming Guardians of the Galaxy Doctor Strange Iron Man Ant-man Avengers: Age of Ultron Captain America: The First Avenger The Incredible Hulk Thor Iron Man 3 Iron Man 2 Thor: The Dark World From top to bottom this is my list. Hulk was my first superhero and will never be last in my book. And I'd still give TDW a 6.5/10 so it isnt that bad.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 14:07:21 GMT
Watch the damn movie before you say stuff like this. Even in WWI when the soldiers were being shelled day in and day out they found time to joke about stuff, it's just what people do. I will watch it but I don't need to in order to realise its going to be filled with cringey jokes and gags just like 90% of MCU movies are. The director, trailers and initial reactions make that obvious enough. Its predictable. Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 9, 2017 14:08:38 GMT
Of course its going to be a comedy, cant you tell from trailers and the fact they chose a director whose best work is in comedy. Only Marvel could take a story that is centric in death and the destruction of everything and make it into a lighthearted, 90 minute comic sketch. Why are you making that sound like a bad thing?
These films have always gotten dramatic when they needed to. What's the problem with a fun film?
Because Im still wanting a great Thor movie like Thor 2 without the goofy comedy that ruined it from Darcy and Selvig. Take those 2 out of it or give them toned down levity, and The Dark World is actually a really good movie. And I can say that for most MCU films. I gave GotG 2 an 7.5/10, I enjoyed the themes it presented with a serious villain but the excessive jokes once again brought it down. And both TDW and Gotg2 have world ending events, I just feel Marvel dont take them seriously as they should. And from all the news and reactions of Ragnorok, Ive got a feeling its going to be similar in tone to these.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 14:09:53 GMT
oh, contenance, please! You would not rise up to him and deflect that heavily if he hadn't a very valid, on the nose, point. It's only a point if you hate how people act. [/p] [/quote] Ragnarok is a cycle, they die and get reincarnated/reborn. Thor's trying to stop Hela from making the next cycle be Her in charge and making it happen before it's supposed to. [/p][/quote] You mean like how WW killed off all the Gods that are usual recurring characters in her comics just so she could have a fight with a CGI enhanced Englishman?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 9, 2017 14:10:43 GMT
If I had to pick one I would say the weakest clearly is Incredible Hulk. I really don't see how TDW is below that, but I agree with you that all of them are great!!! I also don't do ranking lists and clump them more into groups, so basically I would just say there are AVG, CW, GOTG, TWS as the true cream of the crop, and then more or less everything is great, with maybe the exception of Hulk at the bottom. But I don't view TDW as a poorly made or anything. Captain America: Civil War Captain America: The Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 The Avengers Spider-man Homecoming Guardians of the Galaxy Doctor Strange Iron Man Ant-man Avengers: Age of Ultron Captain America: The First Avenger The Incredible Hulk Thor Iron Man 3 Iron Man 2 Thor: The Dark World From top to bottom this is my list. Hulk was my first superhero and will never be last in my book. And I'd still give TDW a 6.5/10 so it isnt that bad. Yeah I just don't do lists, because usually I pick one up and I can think of 4 or 5 at least that I like just as much, and I wouldn't give any of them lower than a 7. TDW I'd probably say is a 7.5.
What is it you think puts it at the bottom, because I've never really understand the "it's the worst of the series" thing. Same for IM2. I love that film. How is that at the bottom?
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 14:12:00 GMT
Why are you making that sound like a bad thing?
These films have always gotten dramatic when they needed to. What's the problem with a fun film?
Because Im still wanting a great Thor movie like Thor 2 without the goofy comedy that ruined it from Darcy and Selvig. Take those 2 out of it or give them toned down levity, and The Dark World is actually a really good movie. And I can say that for most MCU films. I gave GotG 2 an 7.5/10, I enjoyed the themes it presented with a serious villain but the excessive jokes once again brought it down. And both TDW and Gotg2 have world ending events, I just feel Marvel dont take them seriously as they should. And from all the news and reactions of Ragnorok, Ive got a feeling its going to be similar in tone to these. They aren't going to kill off the entire cast or destroy the world before Infinity Wars, we already knew who'd live until then. Besides in the comics these things happen all the time.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 9, 2017 14:12:15 GMT
I will watch it but I don't need to in order to realise its going to be filled with cringey jokes and gags just like 90% of MCU movies are. The director, trailers and initial reactions make that obvious enough. Its predictable. Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7. Once again your ineptitude is on full display. No one said it should be 24/7 dark, I just dont expect a comedy film in the backdrop of an apocalypse. And many top rated replies to those Twitter reactions share my thoughts. And those other films know how balance things out.
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 14:16:09 GMT
Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7. Once again your ineptitude is on full display. No one said it should be 24/7 dark, I just dont expect a comedy film in the backdrop of an apocalypse. And many top rated replies to those Twitter reactions share my thoughts. And those other films know how balance things out. It's about AVERTING that apocalypse. All kinds of crazy random things happen in life that cause levity, even in horrible moments. And no, frequently those other series have crazy humor when things should be all doom and gloom like you say. Hell, the X-Men movies did the same. After what happened in X2 you'd think people all over the world would've been on edge and widespread destruction from how everyone was incapacitated for a few minutes, but instead everything is fine in X3. And no, you can't say "It's because Singer didn't come back!" because his own ideas about X3 said nothing about the worldwide destruction that the Cerebro attack would've done.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 9, 2017 14:19:21 GMT
Why are you making that sound like a bad thing?
These films have always gotten dramatic when they needed to. What's the problem with a fun film?
Because Im still wanting a great Thor movie like Thor 2 without the goofy comedy that ruined it from Darcy and Selvig. Take those 2 out of it or give them toned down levity, and The Dark World is actually a really good movie. And I can say that for most MCU films. I gave GotG 2 an 7.5/10, I enjoyed the themes it presented with a serious villain but the excessive jokes once again brought it down. And both TDW and Gotg2 have world ending events, I just feel Marvel dont take them seriously as they should. And from all the news and reactions of Ragnorok, Ive got a feeling its going to be similar in tone to these. Ok well I agree that Thor 2 was great, it's just that Darcy and Selvig don't come close to ruining it for me, so we pretty much agree with that one exception.
Also, are world ending events make movies better? I just don't think you need every film to have a world ending event, and that might actually get boring if they did that, but I'm not sure if that's what you were saying or not.
And actually, I like that Marvel doesn't make everything serious. I've absolutely loved sitting in the theater during Ant Man or Guardians and people are having an amazingly good time. That's what it's all about. They're great films. They're fun. They're generate memorable experiences. I've started going to dine in theaters because it's like an event to go to these. I really don't get how you find humor to ruin them. They aren't supposed to be intense constantly like Terminator 2 or Alien or Blade Runner or the Matrix. They're supposed to be lighter, and they do a great job of that. I just feel like you're missing the point, but trying to blame it on the films.
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Post by miike80 on Oct 9, 2017 14:24:19 GMT
I will watch it but I don't need to in order to realise its going to be filled with cringey jokes and gags just like 90% of MCU movies are. The director, trailers and initial reactions make that obvious enough. Its predictable. Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7. Yeah, there's a difference between a bit of humor wich is nice, and non stop humor. And i didn't hear anybody saying they love LOTR or Star Wars for their humor like all reviewers of Thor 3 are saying
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Post by miike80 on Oct 9, 2017 14:27:20 GMT
Because Im still wanting a great Thor movie like Thor 2 without the goofy comedy that ruined it from Darcy and Selvig. Take those 2 out of it or give them toned down levity, and The Dark World is actually a really good movie. And I can say that for most MCU films. I gave GotG 2 an 7.5/10, I enjoyed the themes it presented with a serious villain but the excessive jokes once again brought it down. And both TDW and Gotg2 have world ending events, I just feel Marvel dont take them seriously as they should. And from all the news and reactions of Ragnorok, Ive got a feeling its going to be similar in tone to these. They aren't going to kill off the entire cast or destroy the world before Infinity Wars, we already knew who'd live until then. Besides in the comics these things happen all the time. Aparently they are not gonna kill anyone in Infinity War either since all of them are confirmed for Avengers 4
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 14:42:51 GMT
They aren't going to kill off the entire cast or destroy the world before Infinity Wars, we already knew who'd live until then. Besides in the comics these things happen all the time. Aparently they are not gonna kill anyone in Infinity War either since all of them are confirmed for Avengers 4 Which is basically part 2 of Infinity War.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 9, 2017 14:50:14 GMT
Ok well I agree that Thor 2 was great, it's just that Darcy and Selvig don't come close to ruining it for me, so we pretty much agree with that one exception.
Also, are world ending events make movies better? I just don't think you need every film to have a world ending event, and that might actually get boring if they did that, but I'm not sure if that's what you were saying or not.
And actually, I like that Marvel doesn't make everything serious. I've absolutely loved sitting in the theater during Ant Man or Guardians and people are having an amazingly good time. That's what it's all about. They're great films. They're fun. They're generate memorable experiences. I've started going to dine in theaters because it's like an event to go to these. I really don't get how you find humor to ruin them. They aren't supposed to be intense constantly like Terminator 2 or Alien or Blade Runner or the Matrix. They're supposed to be lighter, and they do a great job of that. I just feel like you're missing the point, but trying to blame it on the films.
I found the comedy with Darcy and Selvig annoying. If they were planning for that they should have given them better material like Michael Peña got in Antman, at least he was tolerable. And you did misunderstand me about world ending events. I was simply using TDW and GotG2 to compare their deficiencies with what I think Thor Ragnorok will suffer from too, the common denominator being they are all world/universe ending stories, which I think should be taken more seriously than your average save the city/girl plots. I really hope Infinity War isn't of the same tone and acty ally follows the comics seriousness. They are fun to audiences, but thats about it. I dont particularly feel audiences are blown away by most MCU films or they have any lasting memorable experiences. They are popcorn flicks with the odd exception. If thats what MCU are going for they are doing a bang up job. But I want more than simply a 2 hour entertaining one watch and forget flick. Theres little substance to these films in general imo that have any credible reasons to rewatch other than having a laugh. More films like Cap 2/Avengers/Iron man 1 and less of the phase 3 ones with over emphasis on "light heartedness".
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 9, 2017 15:07:41 GMT
I will watch it but I don't need to in order to realise its going to be filled with cringey jokes and gags just like 90% of MCU movies are. The director, trailers and initial reactions make that obvious enough. Its predictable. Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7. yeah, your logical fallacy is false dilemma again. You presented two alternative black OR white states as the only possibilities, when in fact more possibilities exist. This insidious tactic has the appearance of forming a logical argument, but under closer scrutiny it becomes evident that there are more possibilities than the either/or choice that is presented. Binary, black-or-white thinking doesn't allow for the many different variables, conditions, and contexts in which there would exist more than just the two possibilities put forth. It frames the argument misleadingly and obscures rational, honest debate.
(...Also, as an aside, did you ever watch Star Wars? It's best movies Empire, Sith and Rogue One end darkly and as downers; in Sith we see the dystopian fall of an Reüpublic and it's people, the evil demagogues win...)
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Oct 9, 2017 15:13:05 GMT
Okay, my excitement just increased. And I love how people are saying Tessa Thompson as Valkyrie steals the show. The humor was expected as Taika Waititi is a funny guy. A couple of other people are saying that Jeff Goldblum steals the show, one person said that Cate Blanchett steals the show, while mentioning Jeff Goldblum. Can't fricking wait for this damn movie!!!!!
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Post by formersamhmd on Oct 9, 2017 15:28:11 GMT
Don't watch Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings and most other series then. You'll hate them for not being debbie downers 24/7. yeah, your logical fallacy is false dilemma again. You presented two alternative black OR white states as the only possibilities They way you talk, there are. Right, there are bittersweet endings too. And MCU has done them, yet you never mention them. Debbie Downers 24/7
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Post by miike80 on Oct 9, 2017 15:34:56 GMT
Aparently they are not gonna kill anyone in Infinity War either since all of them are confirmed for Avengers 4 Which is basically part 2 of Infinity War. Which will kill at most some characters that people don't really care about like Rhodes or Falcon
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